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Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
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Posted - 2013.02.22 07:07:00 -
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Personely I havn't seen the Forge Gun get as much use as I thought it would, it maybe due to the skill requirments to learn them but even so, The forge guns seem like good all purose weapons really. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.02.22 07:09:00 -
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I use my militia one all the time.
I'll be using them a lot more once I can finish skilling up into my HMG. |
Thumb Green
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.22 07:47:00 -
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Haven't seen them much myself but tonight I've seen quite a few in comparison. I can hazard a guess as to why we don't see very many of them; you have to charge them and if you miss well then you'll have to charge it again, if you aren't already dead. Hell, I've managed to kill several of them before they could even finish charging the first time. Though most weren't looking my way when I tossed a grenade at them and started shooting them in the head. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.02.22 07:52:00 -
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i'm just waiting for when they let us dual wield them |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 08:12:00 -
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Get in a tank for once and you'll see plenty, believe me ^_^
You shouldn't be fighting Infantry with a Forge in the first place, it's for vehicles. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.22 08:19:00 -
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I've seen more Forge Guns than Swarm Launchers. ... |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.22 12:21:00 -
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Don't encourage them. |
Kamiya Musume
Suffer Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 12:25:00 -
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I love my Forge Gun fit, nothing makes a tank driver panic more than a FG blast up the backside  |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
165
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Posted - 2013.02.22 12:56:00 -
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Forge gun primary aspect to me is 1 shotting infantry. It is awesome and very under used. A forge gun is the perfect weapon, only lacking vs. multiple hostiles - but as a heavy, you have the hp to switch to scrambler pistol after the first kill.
My biggest question with them is whether to use dmg mods for forge or scrambler ;) |
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2013.02.22 12:59:00 -
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don't get that much money for taking out a tank |
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udc
Sektor Sieben Kybernetik GWK
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:03:00 -
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I'm boycotting Forge Gun's because that was my least favorite X-Men character because my friend would ALWAYS play as him when we played action figures as kid's so I have a very deeply-rooted hatred for the concept of forge and forge culture. I promise that I am working to correct this, but in the meantime I will stick with my storm launcher |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:00:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:You shouldn't be fighting Infantry with a Forge in the first place, it's for vehicles.
I don't know. One-shotting merc after merc in the few matches where I was on an anti-infantry roll with Forge Gun was incredibly satisfying.
And I've seen a few people with wicked aim absolutely destroy with the thing. (Ion Smash, in particular.)
I think you don't see it used often because it isn't an easy weapon, even if it's OMG devastating. |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:21:00 -
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Im primarily a forge gunner. I usually run around with a type II heavy with 1k ehp. I use the DK330 something assault forge gun and absolutely love sniping infantry with it. I can kill most tanks after a few shots but if someone brings out a marauder, ill switch to my big breach gun with dual complex damage mods. It 1 shots most things and defintely gets the attention of the maurader.
I am personally glad to see forge guns under used. It is difficult to use when face to face with infantry but it is very very powerful. If more peeps used it, more nerf bat posts would come out. As it is, people just ignore the few forge gunners and let the million redline snipers take them out. i swear, im seeing more and more redline snipers now then ever. Many are corp tagged using thanes lol in a pub match |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:52:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Get in a tank for once and you'll see plenty, believe me ^_^
You shouldn't be fighting Infantry with a Forge in the first place, it's for vehicles.
So true, those things are deadly to my DS |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:55:00 -
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4447 wrote:don't get that much money for taking out a tank
nothing like getting a very small fraction of isk for taking out vehicles. |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:00:00 -
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I've tried them some on my alt, but not much luck. Probably because i'm running around lone wolf and always get tangled up with infantry at medium / close range. I can't seem to get the aiming down on the thing is it splash damage or direct damage?
I think this role is best suited running around in a group. IMO
Running around charged like you're about to explode adds extra anxiety too.....which leads to more booze..... |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:11:00 -
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As an infantry, you just won't see many Forge Guns, since they are primarily an AV weapon. I personally love coming across a FG user; they are a TON easier to kill than an HMG heavy. Yeah, they can one-shot you, but the chances of that are slim if you are smart. I think I've been killed by 3 FGs so far, and all were from a distance (sniping still targets, in other words...)
Against tanks and Dropships...yeah, that's where the FG shines. They definitely give drivers and pilots pause. And yeah, when a good pilot/driver comes out with his vehicle FGs also seem to come out more too.
But the real reason I think FGs are rare? The HMG. Good vehicle drivers are rare in public matches, and I see HMGs unloading into low-end Tanks and Dropships to good effect. And then there is the HMG's effectiveness vs infantry...
Most people just don't see the need to spec into FGs right now with the HMG the way it is... |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.02.22 21:34:00 -
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I traded in my sniper rifle for a forge gun this build and I am never looking back. Forge gun sniping is fun, my kdr has exponentially increased. It is like sniping but now I can also decimate vehicles, it is win win  I actually busted out the gaston for the first time the other day and hated it, isukone all day long. Nothing feels greater then taking out a squad of tanks all by yourself then having the entire squad hunt you the rest of the match (props to the boys at Tritan-Industries they hunted and took me down with great skill the other day). I think if more snipers picked up the forge gun and gave it a try we would see a lot more forge guns. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:05:00 -
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The ease of access to militia forge guns draws people away from specializing in Forge Guns. Rarely seen people using the assault forge gun and that version slaughters honestly. It is sad as I was a Forge Gunner last build, I miss my Forge Guns... |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:44:00 -
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I agree, there should not be a militia forge gun. Make people spec into it and earn it. It is a huge weapon with devastating properties. The proto level still does not do enough damage, but that is beside the point. |
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usrevenge2
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:51:00 -
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you will see more when HMGs get nerfed, right now other than vehicles there is little point because the HMG is all around better at the anti infantry role. |
Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:39:00 -
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I find they are remarkably good at taking out those dastardly Heavy HMG people. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:59:00 -
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HMG is better vs infantry
Sure you can one shot infantry, if you can hit them.
Its probably good if you pop and shoot, but in strait up fight, in open or close I beat them fast. I definatly have a harder time with shotguns, AR and HMG than forge guns as infantry. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.23 00:23:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:But the real reason I think FGs are rare? The HMG. Good vehicle drivers are rare in public matches, and I see HMGs unloading into low-end Tanks and Dropships to good effect. And then there is the HMG's effectiveness vs infantry...
Most people just don't see the need to spec into FGs right now with the HMG the way it is...
Here's the thing, though: Perfect HMG counter? The forge gun.
Heavies countering heavies FTW.
I agree with people saying there shouldn't be a militia forge gun. Having the swarm launcher for militia AV is sufficient. You could make the argument that there shouldn't be a militia heavy at all (which you basically would be arguing if you removed the militia forge gun, as the only other heavy weapon has no militia variant). |
The Real Drazar
Mercs Inc.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.23 03:08:00 -
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Most people dont know that you want to be on higher ground than your targets when useing a forge gun. Hitting a Infantry from high ground will almost always end with a 1 hit kill opposed to trying to hit them on lvl ground which is much harder to do. They can be used at close range but you have to really work for your kills and bait enemies around corner's and cover to setup kills. Once people understand this you might see more people running around with forge gun's. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2013.02.23 04:55:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:But the real reason I think FGs are rare? The HMG. Good vehicle drivers are rare in public matches, and I see HMGs unloading into low-end Tanks and Dropships to good effect. And then there is the HMG's effectiveness vs infantry...
Most people just don't see the need to spec into FGs right now with the HMG the way it is... Here's the thing, though: Perfect HMG counter? The forge gun. Heavies countering heavies FTW. I agree with people saying there shouldn't be a militia forge gun. Having the swarm launcher for militia AV is sufficient. You could make the argument that there shouldn't be a militia heavy at all (which you basically would be arguing if you removed the militia forge gun, as the only other heavy weapon has no militia variant).
Well, the point of what you quoted was more this: You're a Heavy, and you have the choice between two Heavy Weapons; the HMG and FG. You try both of them out and see the HMG gets a ton more kills and is just all around more useful than the FG (you may or may not have gotten into a situation where you need the FG [faced vehicles]), and you've almost certainly seen what a Heavy + HMG can do (either seen a teammate wreck with one or been wrecked yourself), and rarely, if ever, see FGs.
So...which, ultimately, as a noob, would you choose?
EDIT: Yes, vets and people willing to put up with the "lesser" weapons can and most likely will find great uses for them...but that's not the vast majority of people... |
James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
151
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Posted - 2013.02.23 05:10:00 -
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I used the militia forge gun a bit and after looking at the stats of the more advanced ones I've come to the conclusion that the militia is TERRIBLE.
I mean really, it has the charge up time of the forge gun that's meant for AV but it's damage and such is more geared towards infantry. If I were a heavy I'd spec into advanced Forge right after advanced HMG, that way at least I can have a forge that's decent & be able to pick and choose between multiple types for different occasions.
Forges are great though for AV, obviously. The DPS you can put out with forge operation 5 & a officer forge gun is ridonkulips. What, 1.8 second charge up time or something like that & around 1.6k dmg? Hell yeah... |
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