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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:59:00 -
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Well last evening I had to put in some overtime and work from home. I really wanted to corp battle. But either the corps that could field 8 players were been taken or we were getting 1 man corps. I got so bored I actually took a one man corp battle and went to fight him. Another buddy of mine joined the corp match and we were taking turns killing him.
The point of this;- Dust 514 gaming is got boring as ****. There is no real reason to play this game anymore except farm SP. So I decided to do just that while I had a few Baileys.
Match 1: Line Junction: I sat my ass right at the back very close to the red line where no one could snipe me or get me. I was reading some comics looking at my team get their ass whopped. We lost. My rewards;- 210000 ISK, 5 Logi Vk0 and 1 Limbus. Total match profit = 1 Million ISK give or take.
Match 2: Line Junction again: Repeat what I did in match 1. Got pub stompped again. Rewards: 80000 ISk and 1 Sigaris.
Match 3: Manus Peak: My favourtie map for snipping. Team stacked again. Sit my ass at the back. Team red lined. Rewards: 160000 ISk and 10 Balacs
This was pretty much the state the entire evening. Except for 1 game where I got no rewards I was minting by not playing.
Now why should I even bother to play this game and help out my team when I get the best rewards for doing nothing and there is not real incentive for me to do well during the match when I get better rewards for not doing a ****? With the new match making system there are only 2 outcomes;- either you get red lined or you red line the enemy. Either way it is boring as ****. I had ony 1 good game last night where the teams were evenly matched. Other than that it was pretty much lame.
With reasons like this AFK farming is justified. There is no real reason to even try and do good in this game anymore. I absolutely refuse to help thse blue dots anymore unless they get mics and have enough experience in the game.
To CCP: LOL. Do you think but putting an idle timer you are going to fix the problem? The problem is not with the gamers who AFK farm but with you CCP trying to band aid the game instead of fixing what is wrong at the core. There are so many ways to achieve this and so many suggestions have been put up. Do you think by putting in an idle timer you are gonna fix AFK farming? All I have to do is sit in a corner and keep crouching ever so often. And that is just one way of me not playing the game and farming SP. Heck I can also get a LAV and drive around the red line.
Stop bandaiding stuff instead of fixing it. The reason why people AFK farm is because they are bored of the game. Work towards increasing the gamers interest in the game rather than come up with ideas to band aid stuff. If it is band aided it can be glitched again too! |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:11:00 -
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I afk farm well over half the pubs I play in. Given circumstances it makes perfect sense to join skirmish / spawn in MCC every time you pass the console at home.
I can't think of a solid fix to it. Prehaps a Performance based salvage, isk and SP might work: no weekly cap, 1sp per WP, rest of SP from passive with the top WP-sp capped to 50% passive. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:14:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Prehaps a Performance based salvage, isk and SP might work
Simple but effective no? But where good performances get you something. |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:15:00 -
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AFK farming is the result of CCP tying time spent in matches to SP rewards rather than SP rewards being performance based. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:19:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:AFK farming is the result of CCP tying time spent in matches to SP rewards rather than SP rewards being performance based.
Couldnt agree more. Thats why the thread. One of my boys goes 68-5 and gets only 12 K SP with boosters. **** that ****! |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:19:00 -
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In truth they would easily eliminate AFK farming by switching their SP rewards around. 1 SP per second in game and 5 SP per WP in game. This would mean good players would max out faster and then stop paying pub matches and play more corp battles. Also I think they need to stop randomizing the salvage and make the salvage related to the number of warpoints.
IE WP of 0-500 no salvage at all, 500-1000 some salvage of the lower end items like adv nades, 1000-1500 adv suits and other adv lvl weaponry, 1500-2000 proto suits and weaponry, 2000-2500 high lvl vehicles and possible officer weaponry. Not to say what exactly you would get but those are the possibilites so you cant do really badly and end up with a tank or 2. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:23:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:In truth they would easily eliminate AFK farming by switching their SP rewards around. 1 SP per second in game and 5 SP per WP in game. This would mean good players would max out faster and then stop paying pub matches and play more corp battles. Also I think they need to stop randomizing the salvage and make the salvage related to the number of warpoints.
IE WP of 0-500 no salvage at all, 500-1000 some salvage of the lower end items like adv nades, 1000-1500 adv suits and other adv lvl weaponry, 1500-2000 proto suits and weaponry, 2000-2500 high lvl vehicles and possible officer weaponry. Not to say what exactly you would get but those are the possibilites so you cant do really badly and end up with a tank or 2.
I really like this idea. Just the salvage bit based on WPs will be more than enough reason for me to get out there and kick ass. +1 |
General John Ripper
Baltar Research
22
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:25:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:In truth they would easily eliminate AFK farming by switching their SP rewards around. 1 SP per second in game and 5 SP per WP in game. ^ This! Also release some new maps to play with! I am getting bored with the same map being played every game. I like to max out my sp but maxing out your sp means you have to endure the same maps over and over again.
As far as redlining was concerned. I was redlined this one game and I actually unredlined our team and we ended up winning!!!! I couldn't believe it! All I did was drive along the top of a mountain. put a drop uplink at the top of that mountain which was hovering right above an objective and everyone started spawning there. once that one died. i dropped a 2nd. We flanked their position and slowly took everything back!
After that I was redlined in like 2 other games lol but It is possible to unredline your team. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
215
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:26:00 -
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Im AFKing right now. Getting my SP while i work from home like a bawz.
Oh and idle timer meet rubber band on right stick=doing 360s in the MCC |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:26:00 -
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Just stop playing, already. If you're not having fun and you no longer see the point of it all, stop playing.
Whoopie, you found a way to press the button on the SP skinner box with minimal effort. Now that the psychological underpinnings of the whole thing have been exposed, why are you still here dutifully playing Purpose and Context Free SP Rewards: The Game?
Do you really think CCP will take your cries of boredom seriously while you're still logging in regularly? Do you really have the FOMO that bad?
Pretty much everyone is starving for new content at this point, especially closed beta vets, but if shooting people in the face has become that boring, why are you still here? Your character will still be here after they finally unleash another build. |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:27:00 -
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The OP and the couple of guys below him are some of the most worthless crybaby nerds I've seen on these forums. You want a fix to stop you from camping in the MCC like a B%tch? Would you like some sort of magical remedy for your obesity too?
Here's a suggestion you f#cks. Stop doing it! Fixed. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:31:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Im AFKing right now. Getting my SP while i work from home like a bawz.
Oh and idle timer meet rubber band on right stick=doing 360s in the MCC
Nice one. Imma try that this evening. Free SP . Let those tryhards above me get their asses whopped while I get my free SP. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:33:00 -
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@Knarf Black and @Ruby Heart: Guess what? Your childish behaviour is not gonna make me change what I am doing. I am gonna AFK farm the crap out of this game, get the best SP and rewards and do some other thing that is fun in the bargain. And when this game does get fun;- I will have more sp than you can ever imagine.
Enjoy! |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:35:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:The OP and the couple of guys below him are some of the most worthless crybaby nerds I've seen on these forums. You want a fix to stop you from camping in the MCC like a B%tch? Would you like some sort of magical remedy for your obesity too?
Here's a suggestion you f#cks. Stop doing it! Fixed.
Yes because it makes sense not to fix a broken game mechanic. |
Yosef Autaal
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:35:00 -
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all matches end up with one side redlined? really hmmmmm
I have about 1 in 5 games redline the rest it usually fairly good matches where points passed back and forth - granted most the games one side will on average more points so they slowly pull ahead untill un reachable (this needs to be fixed currently only way to catch up is if you manage to curb stomp and abelt o push the current winners all way back to redline and keep it even then that doesnt always work and isnt very common accurence anyway i digress)
about 1/5 of my matches also end very close 10 clone difference, one point on mcc difference, once i had match where blues were just about to win with good margin on mcc health with only one last bar on red mcc when the redberries had huge push and managed to bring the clone count down and just pull a win - was great game even though we lost.
in these games where it is close or not a redline I see one common thing- no one is afk farming in the mcc or any other location (as far as i can tell obviously cant see if any redberries hiding but im assuming) those games that redline are because 2/3 sometimes more are afk/redline fail sniping if you people got off your miserable asses and stop moaning "the games no fun and is broken and ect" then you might get some good matches.
When one side has a numbers advantage even small one it starts to count in the battle sizes we have now. when we are having battles over 52 people then fine go hide in your corner we dont need you anymore 1/2 missing doesnt matter as much.
The game isnt broken or boring its your attitude and your lazyness to try and enjoy a game rather then to be given a rolercoster where all you have to do is sit there with your hands in the air hoping that sign when you got on was just boring health and safety bullshit
EDIT- ok some things are broken, but in terms of a match that isnt suffering some major lag it is still playable so competitive and still enjoyable and fun if you dont hide in a corner and actually get involved |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:39:00 -
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Yosef Autaal wrote:
The game isnt broken or boring
ROTFLMFAO! |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:40:00 -
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i think afk farming is bad but the OP brings up a good point about being bored and lack of variety. we need new game modes asap. if DIED for lack of variety and depth and had 3 good game modes this game will need ten to survive. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:42:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:@Knarf Black and @Ruby Heart: Guess what? Your childish behaviour is not gonna make me change what I am doing. I am gonna AFK farm the crap out of this game, get the best SP and rewards and do some other thing that is fun in the bargain. And when this game does get fun;- I will have more sp than you can ever imagine.
Enjoy!
Oh we're the childish ones!? Good to know, I mean the pathetic 47 year old diabetic adult who is too lazy or mentally handicapped to pick up his controller and ACTUALL PLAY THE GAME, is the mature one. Let's not forget that he likes to blame others(CCP) for his ill actions and behavior while all the while claiming it to be justified.
You convinced me bro, you are way more mature than we are. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:46:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:@Knarf Black and @Ruby Heart: Guess what? Your childish behaviour is not gonna make me change what I am doing. I am gonna AFK farm the crap out of this game, get the best SP and rewards and do some other thing that is fun in the bargain. And when this game does get fun;- I will have more sp than you can ever imagine.
Enjoy!
Joke's going to be on you in a year when you're still not having fun. Just sayin' |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:48:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Oh we're the childish ones!? Good to know, I mean the pathetic 47 year old diabetic adult who is too lazy or mentally handicapped to pick up his controller and ACTUALL PLAY THE GAME, is the mature one. Let's not forget that he likes to blame others(CCP) for his ill actions and behavior while all the while claiming it to be justified.
You convinced me bro, you are way more mature than we are.
ROTFLMFAO. Love the trolls. If you would have checked my stats you would have seen I have over 5000 kills and a KD of 9.6 with over 500000 WPs.
I am putting up this thread after all that and over 1 year in the beta. Guess what? Nothing changes. I am still gonna AFK farm with my main and all my alts. I am gonna abuse the **** out of this feature and put up ways to work around CCPs band aids so more people can AFK farm effectively. Heck;- I am gonna start a chat channel called AFK Farmers so what we can all share our various AFK farming tips there .
Till the game gets fixed or better |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:49:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Joke's going to be on you in a year when you're still not having fun. Just sayin'
I have my active and passive boosters running for 11 months. By then I will have over 28 million SP to invest in whatever I want to invest in. Wont make a difference. I will still kick your ass. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:51:00 -
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sorry just no. no justification for AFK farming. oh great! now we will have 50% of games where only 4 guys play while the other 80% sit in the MCC farming. isnt actually playing better? i bet the op talks crap abt redline snipers too. atleast they play!! kind of. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
215
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:51:00 -
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Yosef Autaal wrote:all matches end up with one side redlined? really hmmmmm
I have about 1 in 5 games redline the rest it usually fairly good matches where points passed back and forth - granted most the games one side will on average more points so they slowly pull ahead untill un reachable (this needs to be fixed currently only way to catch up is if you manage to curb stomp and abelt o push the current winners all way back to redline and keep it even then that doesnt always work and isnt very common accurence anyway i digress)
about 1/5 of my matches also end very close 10 clone difference, one point on mcc difference, once i had match where blues were just about to win with good margin on mcc health with only one last bar on red mcc when the redberries had huge push and managed to bring the clone count down and just pull a win - was great game even though we lost.
in these games where it is close or not a redline I see one common thing- no one is afk farming in the mcc or any other location (as far as i can tell obviously cant see if any redberries hiding but im assuming) those games that redline are because 2/3 sometimes more are afk/redline fail sniping if you people got off your miserable asses and stop moaning "the games no fun and is broken and ect" then you might get some good matches.
When one side has a numbers advantage even small one it starts to count in the battle sizes we have now. when we are having battles over 52 people then fine go hide in your corner we dont need you anymore 1/2 missing doesnt matter as much.
The game isnt broken or boring its your attitude and your lazyness to try and enjoy a game rather then to be given a rolercoster where all you have to do is sit there with your hands in the air hoping that sign when you got on was just boring health and safety bullshit
Not to sound elitist but how many named corps were in your matches. By named i mean Imperfect, Internal Error, PFBHz, IMPSwarm, STB, SI. Heck even full squads of Hellstorm, Universal Allies, Zion among others would have made it a redline inside of 5-10 minutes. The only way the your scenario occurs is with an entire team of NPC players with few to anyone in squads and certainly not squads that communicating with each other. Or if above named corps(actually really just about any organized non-NPC corp(excluding PRO of course) are equally balanced across both teams.
Frankly it just has to do with the fact the players in those corps are likely to include closed testers who know the maps inside and out and just decimate anyone that gets in their way.
Oh and frankly my back hurts carrying everyone. Ive scanned team chat for players with comms to try and help them along and all i get is static or crickets even with the new way players are put into team chat if they arent in a squad yield maybe 3-4 ppl actually using a mic, its one thing to not use a mic its another to not even activate voice on so you can at least hear other ppl in a team-based FPS so yea eff it im done trying. im gonna get my SP and then im gonna continue to screw around as i see fit, im thinking about starting an LAV racing league and we can do laps around Manus peak. Ive already greenlit an all tank corp battle if it is participant funded.
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:53:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:sorry just no. no justification for AFK farming. oh great! now we will have 50% of games where only 4 guys play while the other 80% sit in the MCC farming. isnt actually playing better? i bet the op talks crap abt redline snipers too. atleast they play!! kind of.
You cant stop me. And the MCC is the worst place to AFK farm. If your team looses it can blow up. I know cool locations in all maps where you can AFK farm without having to worry about the MCC blowing up.
I really need to try gunners idea of the rubber band on the controller. I got a leading controller that would really with with AFK farming. |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
38
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:59:00 -
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I concur,
People were exploiting by crashing LAV's and repping them.
Rather than fix the problem CCP capped skill points per week. Hmm like thats going to stop scum like exploiters, only way to stop exploiting is take a hard line on it and ban the fools.
So exploiters are still here and they only have a small inconvenience now they can only exploit x ammount per week instead of unlimited sp.
So we now get afk sp grinders
CCP try to stop this by having an inactive timer.
Exploiters are still here so guess what......
They will find away to expoit the inactivity timer, ie press a button every few mins, run at a wall etc.
CCP please fix issue, no business ever suceeded by creating work arounds, fix the issue and ban exploiters simple quick and effective. Leave the potential to exploit until you can fix it properyly. Just make it clear anyone abusing will be banned.
CCP have annoyed the player base with the CAP, they annoyed the player base with the afk farming, and this will continue.
if you fixed the rep exploit correctly in the first place you would have many more happy customers. now you only suceeded in keeping X exploiters at the expence of X squared potential customers. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
215
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:01:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:sorry just no. no justification for AFK farming. oh great! now we will have 50% of games where only 4 guys play while the other 80% sit in the MCC farming. isnt actually playing better? i bet the op talks crap abt redline snipers too. atleast they play!! kind of. You cant stop me. And the MCC is the worst place to AFK farm. If your team looses it can blow up. I know cool locations in all maps where you can AFK farm without having to worry about the MCC blowing up. I really need to try gunners idea of the rubber band on the controller. I got a leading controller that would really with with AFK farming.
I do it in the MCC, doesnt matter if it blows up doesnt cost you a life because the game has ended before your death registers. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:03:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:
I do it in the MCC, doesnt matter if it blows up doesnt cost you a life because the game has ended before your death registers.
You da man! You get another like! |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:07:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Joke's going to be on you in a year when you're still not having fun. Just sayin' I have my active and passive boosters running for 11 months. By then I will have over 28 million SP to invest in whatever I want to invest in. Wont make a difference. I will still kick your ass.
You'd probably kick my ass anyway. I'm here to have fun playing fake space war, not to maximize my grind in order to lord my artificially extended e-peen over people.
I don't care about slowing you down; you'd still be grinding the normal way if AFK wasn't an option, anyway. I just literally can't understand how your attitude could be conducive to actually enjoying the game. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
163
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:08:00 -
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Since I regularly loose massive quantities of dropsuits and equipment getting my butt kicked by the best Corps in the game in Corp battles for no Skill Points, War Points, or Isk reward, the idea of going AFK in a Pub match where I might be able to accomplish something is completely foreign to me. Perhaps if you are not enjoying the game right now you should take a break and come back in six months when it offers more variety and content. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:16:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:I just literally can't understand how your attitude could be conducive to actually enjoying the game.
Thats because the game has become less enjoyable. Call it beta burnout. Call it anything you want to. People like me have been playing this game for over a year. I bet most of the people in this game dont even know about the PS3 hard freeze issues. People have actually lost PS3s beta testing this game.
That is our dedication to the game.
And then we have these ******* noobs coming in crying nerf this and nerf that and OP this and OP that rather than adapting to the ******* game. If CCP practises what they preach about HTFU they should tell these numnuts to HTFU and adapt to the ******* game.
Instead CCP is trying to band aid a broken game that people will easily find ways around. Its an absolute disrespect to all those gamers who put in a year of their ******* lives into this game. And to make it worse these dumb ******* noobs come in and start preaching the Gospel. SoonGäó. Its a Beta. etc etc. and they really dont have a ******* clue of what needs to be done or what they need to do. In game and out of game.
Now do you get my bitchy attitude? |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Since I regularly loose massive quantities of dropsuits and equipment getting my butt kicked by the best Corps in the game in Corp battles for no Skill Points, War Points, or Isk reward, the idea of going AFK in a Pub match where I might be able to accomplish something is completely foreign to me. Perhaps if you are not enjoying the game right now you should take a break and come back in six months when it offers more variety and content.
If you stay away a day or in this case a week you get behind. As a competitive gamer I cant afford that. AFK farming is the next best thing when the game is not fun anymore. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Joke's going to be on you in a year when you're still not having fun. Just sayin' I have my active and passive boosters running for 11 months. By then I will have over 28 million SP to invest in whatever I want to invest in. Wont make a difference. I will still kick your ass. I'm here to have fun playing fake space war, I think you should leave then. There's no space wars here. Only space CoD. See you in a few months time! The rest of us are going to abuse CCP's idea of a horrible SP fix in the mean-time so we can pwn you when the space wars finally do start.
But more on the topic - this SP fix wasn't CCP's ideal fix. They do plan on changing it long before AFK farming became a fad. |
Dusters Blog
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:22:00 -
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we addressed this earlier here: http://tinyurl.com/adn5f9g
as long as winners & losers arent separated correctly this will be an issue. as long as players can collect points from behind the redline this will be an issue. as long as ISK grows on trees this will be an issue. why isnt there a much bigger disparity between the rewards for victors and the defeated? why are losing players awarded salvage? werent they forced to retreat? max losing rewards out at about 40,000 ISK and watch players become incentivized. award no points for actions behind the RL and all of a sudden players will have to earn their points. [shocking concept, we know] A player who spawns in and does no actions to participate in the game should get no points. Ban players who promote exploits and watch this crap end.
we are creeping disturbingly close to the point where AFK farmers could outnumber players who are actually playing because thats where the benefits lie. steps have to be taken now to stop this behavior before most players in a match are AFK farming while only 3 or 4 players are on the map participating. |
LXicon
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:22:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:...People were exploiting by crashing LAV's and repping them. Rather than fix the problem CCP capped skill points per week ... If you fixed the rep exploit correctly in the first place you would have many more happy customers.
i agree with most of your post, but you have a few facts wrong. 1) the cap was not a solution to the LAV-rep exploit. the cap was always a way to slow skill progression. 2) the solution CCP did for the LAV-rep exploit was to give 0 WP for repping (even repairing people) 3) the eventual solution was to return repair WP but to add a time cap so you couldn't abuse it. * while there was no WP for repping, i knew that the LAV-rep exploiters were to blame.
it takes time time to implement proper fixes and they need to be coded and tested before we get to them. when CCP decides to take action, they clamp down on it to everyone's detriment while they code and test the eventual solution.
when CCP decides to take action against AFK farming no one is going to be happy with the interim bandaid while they code and test the actual solution. when that happens and people start crying about how the AFK bandaid sucks, we'll know it was the AFK farmer's fault. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:23:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:I concur,
People were exploiting by crashing LAV's and repping them.
Rather than fix the problem CCP capped skill points per week. Hmm like thats going to stop scum like exploiters, only way to stop exploiting is take a hard line on it and ban the fools.
So exploiters are still here and they only have a small inconvenience now they can only exploit x ammount per week instead of unlimited sp.
So we now get afk sp grinders
CCP try to stop this by having an inactive timer.
Exploiters are still here so guess what......
They will find away to expoit the inactivity timer, ie press a button every few mins, run at a wall etc.
CCP please fix issue, no business ever suceeded by creating work arounds, fix the issue and ban exploiters simple quick and effective. Leave the potential to exploit until you can fix it properyly. Just make it clear anyone abusing will be banned.
CCP have annoyed the player base with the CAP, they annoyed the player base with the afk farming, and this will continue.
if you fixed the rep exploit correctly in the first place you would have many more happy customers. now you only suceeded in keeping X exploiters at the expence of X squared potential customers.
Um just a note....banning exploiters is a good way to make sure you company can never do a proper beta again. Beta is all about trying to break the game and then telling CCP how the game broke so that CCP can look into it and fix it. Right now the SP gain is broken. How do you fix it? You tell CCP how its broken and then you abuse the exploit to prove your point. In truth the Warriors did more than most players to fix problems with this game and prove what things can be exploited to the detriment of the game. All you who are too high and might to do this......who cares its a game. When I am done playing for the day I will put my guy in AFK farming for a couple round while I get ready for bed. I enjoy playing the game but as long as CCP makes obtaining SP a grind (IE the majority of SP gained is based on time played and not skill) then I will continue to do this. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:23:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:I just literally can't understand how your attitude could be conducive to actually enjoying the game. Thats because the game has become less enjoyable. Call it beta burnout. Call it anything you want to. People like me have been playing this game for over a year. I bet most of the people in this game dont even know about the PS3 hard freeze issues. People have actually lost PS3s beta testing this game. That is our dedication to the game. And then we have these ******* noobs coming in crying nerf this and nerf that and OP this and OP that rather than adapting to the ******* game. If CCP practises what they preach about HTFU they should tell these numnuts to HTFU and adapt to the ******* game. Instead CCP is trying to band aid a broken game that people will easily find ways around. Its an absolute disrespect to all those gamers who put in a year of their ******* lives into this game. And to make it worse these dumb ******* noobs come in and start preaching the Gospel. SoonGäó. Its a Beta. etc etc. and they really dont have a ******* clue of what needs to be done or what they need to do. In game and out of game. Now do you get my bitchy attitude?
Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:25:00 -
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AFK farming started because people wanted SP but had better things to do. Now people are doing it just to farm tears and look cool.
Sad. :\ |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:30:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises.
Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming? |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:32:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Since I regularly loose massive quantities of dropsuits and equipment getting my butt kicked by the best Corps in the game in Corp battles for no Skill Points, War Points, or Isk reward, the idea of going AFK in a Pub match where I might be able to accomplish something is completely foreign to me. Perhaps if you are not enjoying the game right now you should take a break and come back in six months when it offers more variety and content. If you stay away a day or in this case a week you get behind. As a competitive gamer I cant afford that. AFK farming is the next best thing when the game is not fun anymore.
So you AFK Farm to get better and stay competitive in a video game you don't even enjoy playing. On top of that you're asking for a fix that stops you from doing the one thing that keeps you competitive.
Are you F#cking stupid? Don't answer yes or no, I'd like to see a screenshot of your High School degree. GPA included please. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:33:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming?
"Hold on a sec, baby, I've got to spawn in the MCC again."
"WHAT IS THAT A EUPHEMISM FOR?!?!?!?!?" |
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Dusters Blog
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:33:00 -
[41] - Quote
'we are looking into it'
quote from the mouth of CCP Nullabor seconds ago on twitter. your time is almost up. enjoy your fun while it lasts. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:35:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming?
This |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:37:00 -
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Im sat in the MCC while im eating my tea
Lets be honest here its a pub match, when im on i play but if i got stuff to do and im around my console i can load up a few skirmish games spawn and do nothing for 20-30mins in game while i do something else
It will get patched eventually and until then i may keep doing this but either way i play enough to hit the cap but this just shortens it down a little bit |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:43:00 -
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Let's see so what I gathered in this elitist crybaby thread is:
1. I'm butthurt because I should be rewarded more than the average joe or pubby because I get more WP's therefore I should get way more SP.
2. I'm butthurt because I got killed in the face by a pubby in my pimp gear, so why bother fighting if I can stand in the MMC and get good SP than the poor pubby that is actually trying to play the game.
3. Im butthurt because if I queue solo without my buds I might get shot in the face and look bad to this community of 14 year olds that idolize me. I can stand in the MMC all match long and safe face by creating threads to redirect the real issue at hand. 3a. I'm a whiny brat. 3b. I'm immature. 3c. KDR is boss, screw team play. 3d. I think KDR will increase my length by 2 inches giving me 4 inches total.
Serious tip.
I'm enjoying the game, i'm probably mediocre at best ...I win some I lose some. The one thing that I can't take is losing a Skirmish when I have 7 or 8 on my team pretending to snipe AFK or hanging out in the MMC. Just play the damn game people, and have some fun.
The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you. When you AFK in games and post this crap here then others follow. The AFKing is at an all time high in the last week since I've been playing. It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
Dusters Blog wrote:'we are looking into it'
quote from the mouth of CCP Nullabor seconds ago on twitter. your time is almost up. enjoy your fun while it lasts.
LMFAO! We are looking into it is a good as not doing anything about it. This has been a problem way too. Now I only need to figure out a way to AFK farm when I am at work |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
Fornacis Fairchild wrote: It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace Glad we could help, ambush is where it's at for all the cool kids. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:58:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down.
Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs!
Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
Sentient Archon wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down. Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs! Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them.
I actually have to agree with you here |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
SoTa PoP wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace Glad we could help, ambush is where it's at for all the cool kids.
Ha...You know I thought I would hate it but I've worked on my gungame some, and there is nothing like the rush of being hunted or being the hunter.
I guess I'm more objective oriented with my experience in CAL League, and the LAN scene years ago.
I wish everyone would play the Beta, post the feedback to help build this thing.
I know CCP and if you would bear with them you will not be disappointed in the end.
It's a Beta, if you don't want to participate then play something else is my thought. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
IRuby Heart wrote:I actually have to agree with you here
My methods dont involve kissing ass. They bring out the cold hard facts. People may not like it but it is effective as ****! Getting the job done takes a strong pair of ******* and not too many people on Dust have it. Dust if full of CCP fanboyism and whimps. |
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Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
Sentient Archon wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
A. LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down. B. Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs! C. Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them.
a. I only look up to people that I respect. If you don't play the game, I don't respect you.
b. Your own opinion.
c. How can I learn to "roll" with them if you're hanging out AFK in the MMC. See my comment above.
~Cheers |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:09:00 -
[52] - Quote
Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Let's see so what I gathered in this elitist crybaby thread is:
1. I'm butthurt because I should be rewarded more than the average joe or pubby because I get more WP's therefore I should get way more SP.
2. I'm butthurt because I got killed in the face by a pubby in my pimp gear, so why bother fighting if I can stand in the MMC and get good SP than the poor pubby that is actually trying to play the game.
3. Im butthurt because if I queue solo without my buds I might get shot in the face and look bad to this community of 14 year olds that idolize me. I can stand in the MMC all match long and safe face by creating threads to redirect the real issue at hand. 3a. I'm a whiny brat. 3b. I'm immature. 3c. KDR is boss, screw team play. 3d. I think KDR will increase my length by 2 inches giving me 4 inches total.
Serious tip.
I'm enjoying the game, i'm probably mediocre at best ...I win some I lose some. The one thing that I can't take is losing a Skirmish when I have 7 or 8 on my team pretending to snipe AFK or hanging out in the MMC. Just play the damn game people, and have some fun.
The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you. When you AFK in games and post this crap here then others follow. The AFKing is at an all time high in the last week since I've been playing. It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace best post ever. |
calisk galern
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:11:00 -
[53] - Quote
yep been playing for only 2 months, and even I'm at the point of boredom, I'm only still playing because I really hope to see a purpose to the game in the long run game needs a reason to want to win, you shouldn't get the same benefit for losing as you do for winning, very few people care about the leadership, especially players that haven't been around since it started..
the fact that not a single thing of merit has been fixed in the entire time I been here is really disheartening.
I don't afk but I also don't try very hard in pubs anymore because I expect half my team to be afking or sniping which becomes pretty obvious after about 2 -3 minutes.
they remove pub squads but then leave poor hit detection for 2 months, they'll work on plants and shrubs, but leave **** poor spawn points for the whole time.
when dust grows a purpose it will be one of the best fps I can imagine, but until then.... |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:13:00 -
[54] - Quote
Fornacis Fairchild wrote:
a. I only look up to people that I respect. If you don't play the game, I don't respect you. SA : DILLIGAF b. Your own opinion. SA: Its not an opinion. Its a statement. Big difference. c. How can I learn to "roll" with them if you're hanging out AFK in the MMC. See my comment above. SA: You hang out with them in the MCC and see how much ISK and Salvage you get in the end. The you squad up with them and do the same thing every game
There ya go! |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Reiki Jubo wrote:best post ever.
Worst sidekick ever |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
the OP is right and the fanboys need to STFU. CCP has built a broken mechanic by placing incentive to AFK farm- there is no reason to tryhard during a match except for.. 1500 extra SP. thats crap. "oh your supposed to enjoy the bigger picture of the game!" WTF there is NO bigger picture, and we're burnt out on the 5000th game where we go 15+ kills garuntee. not everyone is some wide eyed fanboy over a match shooter that doesn't reward you for your performance, it rewards you for AFKing the match.
we're stuck with a fkn match shooter in a redundant state that doesn't reward anyone for anything they do in the game, there is no MMO, there is no Metagame. This is what we're stuck with for an indefinate amount of time. 1500 extra sp for playing out the round and getting 20 kills is a freakn joke.
CCP get a clue already and stop making your SP system backwards to encourage us to AFK. You can't make reetarded systems like this and expect them to just work out ok because the eve players just don't get it and obviously neither do you devs. |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
semperfi1999 wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:The OP and the couple of guys below him are some of the most worthless crybaby nerds I've seen on these forums. You want a fix to stop you from camping in the MCC like a B%tch? Would you like some sort of magical remedy for your obesity too?
Here's a suggestion you f#cks. Stop doing it! Fixed. Yes because it makes sense not to fix a broken game mechanic. Game mechanic problem is ppl with kdr with 5+ and want more.... Simply make no sens |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
296
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
Updates are on their way, but nothing will be rushed so be patient. Ranting about the current state of the game, for a reason or another, isn't really constructive in any way. You might want to consider gathering your feedback/thoughts and post them in the appropriate section. Nicely worded feedback is always better received than rants ;)
Sometimes it is better to take some time away from a game as well if you don't enjoy it any longer as it seems to be the case for the OP, even more so when it is still in BETA, and come back at a later stage where you are more likely to find something that keeps you in the game for the long run. Just note as well that rewards mechanics have already been altered in the past and could be altered again in the future.
Ruining the game for other definitely isn't the way to go. You might only see the whole thing as a SP/Loot game and consider AFK farming as the way to go however other players might just enjoy the battle side of the game and with your actions you are simply preventing them from doing so.
I am closing this thread for now, but feel free to provide constructive feedback on the matter in the appropriate section if you wish to. |
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