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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Since I regularly loose massive quantities of dropsuits and equipment getting my butt kicked by the best Corps in the game in Corp battles for no Skill Points, War Points, or Isk reward, the idea of going AFK in a Pub match where I might be able to accomplish something is completely foreign to me. Perhaps if you are not enjoying the game right now you should take a break and come back in six months when it offers more variety and content.
If you stay away a day or in this case a week you get behind. As a competitive gamer I cant afford that. AFK farming is the next best thing when the game is not fun anymore. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Joke's going to be on you in a year when you're still not having fun. Just sayin' I have my active and passive boosters running for 11 months. By then I will have over 28 million SP to invest in whatever I want to invest in. Wont make a difference. I will still kick your ass. I'm here to have fun playing fake space war, I think you should leave then. There's no space wars here. Only space CoD. See you in a few months time! The rest of us are going to abuse CCP's idea of a horrible SP fix in the mean-time so we can pwn you when the space wars finally do start.
But more on the topic - this SP fix wasn't CCP's ideal fix. They do plan on changing it long before AFK farming became a fad. |
Dusters Blog
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:22:00 -
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we addressed this earlier here: http://tinyurl.com/adn5f9g
as long as winners & losers arent separated correctly this will be an issue. as long as players can collect points from behind the redline this will be an issue. as long as ISK grows on trees this will be an issue. why isnt there a much bigger disparity between the rewards for victors and the defeated? why are losing players awarded salvage? werent they forced to retreat? max losing rewards out at about 40,000 ISK and watch players become incentivized. award no points for actions behind the RL and all of a sudden players will have to earn their points. [shocking concept, we know] A player who spawns in and does no actions to participate in the game should get no points. Ban players who promote exploits and watch this crap end.
we are creeping disturbingly close to the point where AFK farmers could outnumber players who are actually playing because thats where the benefits lie. steps have to be taken now to stop this behavior before most players in a match are AFK farming while only 3 or 4 players are on the map participating. |
LXicon
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:22:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:...People were exploiting by crashing LAV's and repping them. Rather than fix the problem CCP capped skill points per week ... If you fixed the rep exploit correctly in the first place you would have many more happy customers.
i agree with most of your post, but you have a few facts wrong. 1) the cap was not a solution to the LAV-rep exploit. the cap was always a way to slow skill progression. 2) the solution CCP did for the LAV-rep exploit was to give 0 WP for repping (even repairing people) 3) the eventual solution was to return repair WP but to add a time cap so you couldn't abuse it. * while there was no WP for repping, i knew that the LAV-rep exploiters were to blame.
it takes time time to implement proper fixes and they need to be coded and tested before we get to them. when CCP decides to take action, they clamp down on it to everyone's detriment while they code and test the eventual solution.
when CCP decides to take action against AFK farming no one is going to be happy with the interim bandaid while they code and test the actual solution. when that happens and people start crying about how the AFK bandaid sucks, we'll know it was the AFK farmer's fault. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:23:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:I concur,
People were exploiting by crashing LAV's and repping them.
Rather than fix the problem CCP capped skill points per week. Hmm like thats going to stop scum like exploiters, only way to stop exploiting is take a hard line on it and ban the fools.
So exploiters are still here and they only have a small inconvenience now they can only exploit x ammount per week instead of unlimited sp.
So we now get afk sp grinders
CCP try to stop this by having an inactive timer.
Exploiters are still here so guess what......
They will find away to expoit the inactivity timer, ie press a button every few mins, run at a wall etc.
CCP please fix issue, no business ever suceeded by creating work arounds, fix the issue and ban exploiters simple quick and effective. Leave the potential to exploit until you can fix it properyly. Just make it clear anyone abusing will be banned.
CCP have annoyed the player base with the CAP, they annoyed the player base with the afk farming, and this will continue.
if you fixed the rep exploit correctly in the first place you would have many more happy customers. now you only suceeded in keeping X exploiters at the expence of X squared potential customers.
Um just a note....banning exploiters is a good way to make sure you company can never do a proper beta again. Beta is all about trying to break the game and then telling CCP how the game broke so that CCP can look into it and fix it. Right now the SP gain is broken. How do you fix it? You tell CCP how its broken and then you abuse the exploit to prove your point. In truth the Warriors did more than most players to fix problems with this game and prove what things can be exploited to the detriment of the game. All you who are too high and might to do this......who cares its a game. When I am done playing for the day I will put my guy in AFK farming for a couple round while I get ready for bed. I enjoy playing the game but as long as CCP makes obtaining SP a grind (IE the majority of SP gained is based on time played and not skill) then I will continue to do this. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:23:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:I just literally can't understand how your attitude could be conducive to actually enjoying the game. Thats because the game has become less enjoyable. Call it beta burnout. Call it anything you want to. People like me have been playing this game for over a year. I bet most of the people in this game dont even know about the PS3 hard freeze issues. People have actually lost PS3s beta testing this game. That is our dedication to the game. And then we have these ******* noobs coming in crying nerf this and nerf that and OP this and OP that rather than adapting to the ******* game. If CCP practises what they preach about HTFU they should tell these numnuts to HTFU and adapt to the ******* game. Instead CCP is trying to band aid a broken game that people will easily find ways around. Its an absolute disrespect to all those gamers who put in a year of their ******* lives into this game. And to make it worse these dumb ******* noobs come in and start preaching the Gospel. SoonGäó. Its a Beta. etc etc. and they really dont have a ******* clue of what needs to be done or what they need to do. In game and out of game. Now do you get my bitchy attitude?
Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:25:00 -
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AFK farming started because people wanted SP but had better things to do. Now people are doing it just to farm tears and look cool.
Sad. :\ |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:30:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises.
Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming? |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:32:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Since I regularly loose massive quantities of dropsuits and equipment getting my butt kicked by the best Corps in the game in Corp battles for no Skill Points, War Points, or Isk reward, the idea of going AFK in a Pub match where I might be able to accomplish something is completely foreign to me. Perhaps if you are not enjoying the game right now you should take a break and come back in six months when it offers more variety and content. If you stay away a day or in this case a week you get behind. As a competitive gamer I cant afford that. AFK farming is the next best thing when the game is not fun anymore.
So you AFK Farm to get better and stay competitive in a video game you don't even enjoy playing. On top of that you're asking for a fix that stops you from doing the one thing that keeps you competitive.
Are you F#cking stupid? Don't answer yes or no, I'd like to see a screenshot of your High School degree. GPA included please. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:33:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming?
"Hold on a sec, baby, I've got to spawn in the MCC again."
"WHAT IS THAT A EUPHEMISM FOR?!?!?!?!?" |
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Dusters Blog
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:33:00 -
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'we are looking into it'
quote from the mouth of CCP Nullabor seconds ago on twitter. your time is almost up. enjoy your fun while it lasts. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:35:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Not even slightly, and I've been here since Replication, too. Perhaps you should consider some deep breathing exercises. Sex is way better man. What do you think I am doing when I am AFK farming?
This |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:37:00 -
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Im sat in the MCC while im eating my tea
Lets be honest here its a pub match, when im on i play but if i got stuff to do and im around my console i can load up a few skirmish games spawn and do nothing for 20-30mins in game while i do something else
It will get patched eventually and until then i may keep doing this but either way i play enough to hit the cap but this just shortens it down a little bit |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:43:00 -
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Let's see so what I gathered in this elitist crybaby thread is:
1. I'm butthurt because I should be rewarded more than the average joe or pubby because I get more WP's therefore I should get way more SP.
2. I'm butthurt because I got killed in the face by a pubby in my pimp gear, so why bother fighting if I can stand in the MMC and get good SP than the poor pubby that is actually trying to play the game.
3. Im butthurt because if I queue solo without my buds I might get shot in the face and look bad to this community of 14 year olds that idolize me. I can stand in the MMC all match long and safe face by creating threads to redirect the real issue at hand. 3a. I'm a whiny brat. 3b. I'm immature. 3c. KDR is boss, screw team play. 3d. I think KDR will increase my length by 2 inches giving me 4 inches total.
Serious tip.
I'm enjoying the game, i'm probably mediocre at best ...I win some I lose some. The one thing that I can't take is losing a Skirmish when I have 7 or 8 on my team pretending to snipe AFK or hanging out in the MMC. Just play the damn game people, and have some fun.
The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you. When you AFK in games and post this crap here then others follow. The AFKing is at an all time high in the last week since I've been playing. It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:55:00 -
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Dusters Blog wrote:'we are looking into it'
quote from the mouth of CCP Nullabor seconds ago on twitter. your time is almost up. enjoy your fun while it lasts.
LMFAO! We are looking into it is a good as not doing anything about it. This has been a problem way too. Now I only need to figure out a way to AFK farm when I am at work |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:58:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote: It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace Glad we could help, ambush is where it's at for all the cool kids. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:58:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down.
Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs!
Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:00:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down. Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs! Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them.
I actually have to agree with you here |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:03:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace Glad we could help, ambush is where it's at for all the cool kids.
Ha...You know I thought I would hate it but I've worked on my gungame some, and there is nothing like the rush of being hunted or being the hunter.
I guess I'm more objective oriented with my experience in CAL League, and the LAN scene years ago.
I wish everyone would play the Beta, post the feedback to help build this thing.
I know CCP and if you would bear with them you will not be disappointed in the end.
It's a Beta, if you don't want to participate then play something else is my thought. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:07:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:I actually have to agree with you here
My methods dont involve kissing ass. They bring out the cold hard facts. People may not like it but it is effective as ****! Getting the job done takes a strong pair of ******* and not too many people on Dust have it. Dust if full of CCP fanboyism and whimps. |
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Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:07:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Fornacis Fairchild wrote: The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you.
A. LOL. When are you gonna get real and have people looking up to you instead of looking up to people. Thats the whole problem with scrubs. They always look up to someone and get disappointed when the people who they look up to let them down. B. Guess what? We are Mercs. We dont look up to anyone! Period! The only thing we look forward to is money and 0.0 is where it lies. **** pubs! C. Dont look up to the people in the top corps. Learn against them or roll with them.
a. I only look up to people that I respect. If you don't play the game, I don't respect you.
b. Your own opinion.
c. How can I learn to "roll" with them if you're hanging out AFK in the MMC. See my comment above.
~Cheers |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:09:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote:Let's see so what I gathered in this elitist crybaby thread is:
1. I'm butthurt because I should be rewarded more than the average joe or pubby because I get more WP's therefore I should get way more SP.
2. I'm butthurt because I got killed in the face by a pubby in my pimp gear, so why bother fighting if I can stand in the MMC and get good SP than the poor pubby that is actually trying to play the game.
3. Im butthurt because if I queue solo without my buds I might get shot in the face and look bad to this community of 14 year olds that idolize me. I can stand in the MMC all match long and safe face by creating threads to redirect the real issue at hand. 3a. I'm a whiny brat. 3b. I'm immature. 3c. KDR is boss, screw team play. 3d. I think KDR will increase my length by 2 inches giving me 4 inches total.
Serious tip.
I'm enjoying the game, i'm probably mediocre at best ...I win some I lose some. The one thing that I can't take is losing a Skirmish when I have 7 or 8 on my team pretending to snipe AFK or hanging out in the MMC. Just play the damn game people, and have some fun.
The sad thing is...you guys (The top corps in game) are very skilled, and do have a large following of players that look up to you. When you AFK in games and post this crap here then others follow. The AFKing is at an all time high in the last week since I've been playing. It's so bad that I simply queue Ambush and have fun there.
~Peace best post ever. |
calisk galern
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:11:00 -
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yep been playing for only 2 months, and even I'm at the point of boredom, I'm only still playing because I really hope to see a purpose to the game in the long run game needs a reason to want to win, you shouldn't get the same benefit for losing as you do for winning, very few people care about the leadership, especially players that haven't been around since it started..
the fact that not a single thing of merit has been fixed in the entire time I been here is really disheartening.
I don't afk but I also don't try very hard in pubs anymore because I expect half my team to be afking or sniping which becomes pretty obvious after about 2 -3 minutes.
they remove pub squads but then leave poor hit detection for 2 months, they'll work on plants and shrubs, but leave **** poor spawn points for the whole time.
when dust grows a purpose it will be one of the best fps I can imagine, but until then.... |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:13:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote:
a. I only look up to people that I respect. If you don't play the game, I don't respect you. SA : DILLIGAF b. Your own opinion. SA: Its not an opinion. Its a statement. Big difference. c. How can I learn to "roll" with them if you're hanging out AFK in the MMC. See my comment above. SA: You hang out with them in the MCC and see how much ISK and Salvage you get in the end. The you squad up with them and do the same thing every game
There ya go! |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:14:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:best post ever.
Worst sidekick ever |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:52:00 -
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the OP is right and the fanboys need to STFU. CCP has built a broken mechanic by placing incentive to AFK farm- there is no reason to tryhard during a match except for.. 1500 extra SP. thats crap. "oh your supposed to enjoy the bigger picture of the game!" WTF there is NO bigger picture, and we're burnt out on the 5000th game where we go 15+ kills garuntee. not everyone is some wide eyed fanboy over a match shooter that doesn't reward you for your performance, it rewards you for AFKing the match.
we're stuck with a fkn match shooter in a redundant state that doesn't reward anyone for anything they do in the game, there is no MMO, there is no Metagame. This is what we're stuck with for an indefinate amount of time. 1500 extra sp for playing out the round and getting 20 kills is a freakn joke.
CCP get a clue already and stop making your SP system backwards to encourage us to AFK. You can't make reetarded systems like this and expect them to just work out ok because the eve players just don't get it and obviously neither do you devs. |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:53:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:The OP and the couple of guys below him are some of the most worthless crybaby nerds I've seen on these forums. You want a fix to stop you from camping in the MCC like a B%tch? Would you like some sort of magical remedy for your obesity too?
Here's a suggestion you f#cks. Stop doing it! Fixed. Yes because it makes sense not to fix a broken game mechanic. Game mechanic problem is ppl with kdr with 5+ and want more.... Simply make no sens |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
296
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:02:00 -
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Updates are on their way, but nothing will be rushed so be patient. Ranting about the current state of the game, for a reason or another, isn't really constructive in any way. You might want to consider gathering your feedback/thoughts and post them in the appropriate section. Nicely worded feedback is always better received than rants ;)
Sometimes it is better to take some time away from a game as well if you don't enjoy it any longer as it seems to be the case for the OP, even more so when it is still in BETA, and come back at a later stage where you are more likely to find something that keeps you in the game for the long run. Just note as well that rewards mechanics have already been altered in the past and could be altered again in the future.
Ruining the game for other definitely isn't the way to go. You might only see the whole thing as a SP/Loot game and consider AFK farming as the way to go however other players might just enjoy the battle side of the game and with your actions you are simply preventing them from doing so.
I am closing this thread for now, but feel free to provide constructive feedback on the matter in the appropriate section if you wish to. |
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