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Nenshi
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:22:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@0 try harder
Lol what?
@Sota pop
Nah, I just use my main. As for that dude that made you waste your ammo, by any chance were you line harvest when this happened? Hey Maken why not have some Knifer/melee Corp Battles??
I second this. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1616
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Posted - 2013.03.02 21:13:00 -
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Post 22 has been updated. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1616
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Posted - 2013.03.02 21:14:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@0 try harder
Lol what?
@Sota pop
Nah, I just use my main. As for that dude that made you waste your ammo, by any chance were you line harvest when this happened? Hey Maken why not have some Knifer/melee Corp Battles??
I was thinking about that. Would be nice to see that. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
445
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Posted - 2013.03.02 21:21:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@0 try harder
Lol what?
@Sota pop
Nah, I just use my main. As for that dude that made you waste your ammo, by any chance were you line harvest when this happened? Hey Maken why not have some Knifer/melee Corp Battles??
Did free ever actually answer your question about this tech? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1622
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:46:00 -
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Post 23 updated |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
830
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:09:00 -
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We really need some videos of your ninja tactics. |
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Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
125
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:11:00 -
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CCP Eterne! Can you tell us which skills/mods effect nova knife damage and if the standard melee attack does more damage when you have the knife equipped? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
835
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:20:00 -
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I cannot! But I will certainly look into getting answers to those questions for you. I'm in Reykjavik, however, and the guys who would know are over in Shanghai so it might be a while before I can give those answers. |
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Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
127
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:44:00 -
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I've been trying to work the answer out to these questions myself for two weeks through testing. The only thing that survives a full hit is a heavy though and very rarely do they respond to my inquiries about how much damage I did to them.
Been wanting to do a corp battle with Beren for some hard testing, but it has yet to happen  |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
473
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:47:00 -
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Yes, I want videos too. I demand videos! Been following old diaries too and loved every single entry. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
898
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:17:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Yes, I want videos too. I demand videos! Been following old diaries too and loved every single entry.
Riiight....I tell you what. You give us more info or more additions to the game and we'll get out moer videos. I have some quality vids in the making. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
264
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:39:00 -
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Note: To all people who have trouble with Nova Knivers-
When you see one but he's too close to drop him before he lands an attack, run at him/her, but just to the side. Running past them means they will have to either recharge since they will likely release when you get close, or they will have to try to melee you with them.
Don't try to out-strafe a scout knifer, it won't work. Try to get either above or below them so that they have to aim up or down to connect, this makes it harder for them to hit you in most cases. It works best when you can strafe up and down a hil, because they have to keep re-correcting the height of their aim.
Get above them and jump over them when possible. If you can jump over their head and turn in mid air, you will have a second or so where you are facing them but they are not facing you. Vital anti-anything tactic, get behind your enemy.
Throw a grenade at your feet and just stand on the other side of the blast zone. Strafe around the blast zone to give yourself some breathing room. If they end up in it, they are dead, so they have to either back up or try to run through it. This isn't 100% since they can run through it, but just remember they are thinking on their feet too, so you have about a 50% chance of this working out well for you.
Best of luck to those non-knifers out there. And to the knifers as well I suppose.  |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
790
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:10:00 -
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@ Baal
Nice tips, but they're mostly irrelevant when just simply walking backwards will make you immune to any knife attack by anyone not using the bug that allows you to sprint with knives charged. (assuming you are looking at them!)
Maken, it has been far too long since we teamed up. This must happen again. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
265
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Posted - 2013.03.04 18:58:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:@ Baal
Nice tips, but they're mostly irrelevant when just simply walking backwards will make you immune to any knife attack by anyone not using the bug that allows you to sprint with knives charged. (assuming you are looking at them!)
Maken, it has been far too long since we teamed up. This must happen again.
Not entirely true, I've seen what Nina Karne Clone did last build with those things. You can max your melee skill, max your catalyzers, and totally bumrush people when they see you. I had SEVERAL run-ins with that build before the reset, and it is VERY effective.
Thus, my strategies for going up against a smart knifer.  |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1624
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:45:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:@ Baal
Nice tips, but they're mostly irrelevant when just simply walking backwards will make you immune to any knife attack by anyone not using the bug that allows you to sprint with knives charged. (assuming you are looking at them!)
Maken, it has been far too long since we teamed up. This must happen again.
The next time I log in, I'll shoot you an invite.
As for the devs wanting some videos, I'm sorry to say that I don't have a capture card. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
793
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
The next time I log in, I'll shoot you an invite.
As for the devs wanting some videos, I'm sorry to say that I don't have a capture card.
I've got a capture card, but sadly the HDMI input on it died recently, so I can only record SD input.
I could record our teaming up... but it will look like crap on the recording :P
@Baal - Speedmods only work to close the distance. Once you actually stop sprinting (Unless you're using the bug to sprint charged) People backpedal at the same speed they run forward, and the differences in base run speeds in different suits (Unless people have plates) is so small that simply walking backwards is enough to keep out of your melee's hitbox. You'll eventually catch up if you're in a scout chasing an assault or logi, but if you're both in the same suit with no difference in plates between you, then they are 100% immune to melee simply by virtue of moonwalking.
Your best bet as a knifer is to simply sprint with the charge (Do a base melee then start the charge while the animation plays out. As long as you are holding the charge button you will be able to jump and sprint freely while maintaining the charge)
Approaching someone head on in a straight line is usually pretty foolish unless you're sure you've got the HP to survive in the time it takes to close the distance. Juking while sprinting is generally the best tactic, though it means you generally need to take your eyes off your target and rely on situational awareness to keep tabs on where they are every time you change direction and your camera swivels back to them.
Often as a Knife user I find myself running past someone on purpose, then jumping backwards over them to further disorient them to leave them vulnerable to stabbing.
One of the biggest hurdles to knife wielding is picking your battles. Your first instinct is to stab everyone you see, but without a lot of practice aggressive knifing like this will just end up getting you killed a lot with not many kills to show for it in return. Misdirection is your best friend. Running away from people, and then using cover to distract or disorient people to either sneak up on (or let them close the distance for you) will generally net you a lot of kills with very few deaths.
Alternatively, you can go for an entirely ninja-esque approach, attempting not to be seen at all. This method usually results in spending most of your time killing snipers and people hacking structures and objectives near the fringes of the map. Ninja Knifing becomes exponentially harder as you get closer to where the firefights are happening. Though, it is possible to mix an agressive approach with a ninja approach to great success.
I generally try to do a mix of both. If I'm playing without a squad, I'll generally roam and play very aggressively. If I'm with a squad, I'll take a more ninja-esque approach and either distract people so my squad can shoot people, or sneak up on guys my squad is approaching and try to knife them all in the back while they shoot at my buddies. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1857
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:15:00 -
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I enjoy the tales of the Ninja Knifers, but I still enjoy being a Shotgun Ninja more.
If I miss, or fall short of the kill with my first shot, I can try again MUCH faster than I'd be able to with Nova Knives.
I've died to good Knife wielders, but I've also killed a few. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1639
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:01:00 -
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Post 23 Updated |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1660
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Posted - 2013.03.12 03:50:00 -
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Post 24 updated |
Medic 1879
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:14:00 -
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I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade. |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1661
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:21:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade.
Noted. |
Medic 1879
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:25:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade. Noted.
Regreting telling you this now I can just see me doing this to the next knifer and seeing (Maken Tosch - Nova knife - Medic 1879) and me thinking damn should never have revealed my secret.
Or you will run into me an find out this is an elaborate hoax and charge me to knife and fall to my locus grenade lol. 
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1661
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:28:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade. Noted. Regreting telling you this now I can just see me doing this to the next knifer and seeing (Maken Tosch - Nova knife - Medic 1879) and me thinking damn should never have revealed my secret. Or you will run into me an find out this is an elaborate hoax and charge me to knife and fall to my locus grenade lol.
One hell of a gamble, isn't it? |
Medic 1879
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade. Noted. Regreting telling you this now I can just see me doing this to the next knifer and seeing (Maken Tosch - Nova knife - Medic 1879) and me thinking damn should never have revealed my secret. Or you will run into me an find out this is an elaborate hoax and charge me to knife and fall to my locus grenade lol. One hell of a gamble, isn't it?
Which will probably be an anti-climax if it happend I look forward to the day we meet on the battlefield to test this glorious game of chicken sadly it will probably be spoiled by a blueberry interupting lol thats how most of my more exciting battles have ended so far my favourite was having a lengthy MD battle with an enemy MD user to only see it end by me getting squashed by an enemy LAV mid battle it rather spoilt the mood.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1661
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:35:00 -
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LOL I bet the MD guy was like "WTF? That was my kill!" |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1699
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:59:00 -
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Post 24 updated |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
6
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:40:00 -
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There is a lot of good information in these posts. Thanks for taking the time to share it. Reading your strategies for suit load outs and skills provides good food for thought. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1707
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:51:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:There is a lot of good information in these posts. Thanks for taking the time to share it. Reading your strategies for suit load outs and skills provides good food for thought.
Thank you. It's not easy being a ninja knifer considering the heavy losses I trend to suffer (knife in a gun fight, duh) but if my suffering brings much needed information to the community, then so be it. |
General Tiberius1
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:55:00 -
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lol, i love when people try to knife me in my heavy with my HMG equipped
NOPE, DENIED!!!
BZZZZT! SPLAT!  |
Mithridates VI
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
394
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Posted - 2013.03.20 23:58:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I shouldnt really tell you this but I ran into a knifer today so I started cooking off my grenade to make him back off he stopped to watch me explode and my flux grenade went off obviously not killing me and I MD'd him in the face.
Beware the non-lethal grenade.
Honestly, if someone has enough awareness that I'm nearby with a knife that they can cook a grenade and get ready for me, I should leave them alone and wait for them to drop their guard again. |
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