Well imho you really shouldnt have defended venom because that crap was just plain offensive and if it had been my corp mate you best believe he would have been kicked from corp asap
However I don't think you should get hate mail for it either as you didnt post the original thing

what did I miss? someone fill me in.

Lucky indeed -.-

Well I've said my part and made it public to discuss. I don't even know 4 of the 5 who sent those messages at me - but if they cared enough to track my PSN down they'll pop up in the thread sooner or later.

Also this day blows for me - had to put my cat down. :'(

I guess I'll state it again because you mentioned it.

I didn't find this thread funny either, I face racism everyday in south texas just because of my name and my white skin *Shocking, I know* and the choices I've made that don't follow the 'proper' path they believe in down here.

But everyone ignored 1/3 of what he said and concentrated on the bad. So I put light on where people only found shadows. So in return I got tons of hate mail.

i know what you did as i read the thread...
I dont think you should have gotten hate mail
I also don't think any light needed to be shed...
the shadows were dark enough to blot out the good dude
Im not saying what you did was wrong but
if it were me how i would have reacted would have been 100% different

Ah, I remember. Was he the dumb-ass who said "let's all have a laugh at racism" or something similar?

Why is this guy making more threads about that? If he defended a racist he deserves hate mail. Simple.

Ah, I remember. Was he the dumb-ass who said "let's all have a laugh at racism" or something similar?

Why is this guy making more threads about that? If he defended a racist he deserves hate mail. Simple.

^ This is the problem I'm facing apparently. Blinded idiots who justify half facts.

I didn't defend racism. I defended his right to post and get banned for it and pointed out he didn't want to offend anyone.

I even pointed out he'd get removed from corp if CCP took such actions against him and people STILL sent me hate mail.

Also this day blows for me - had to put my cat down. :'(

Damn, Sota! I'm gone for a week, or two (maybe three, I forget) and all hell breaks loose. Yo' what did you do? Ha-ha-ha. Nonetheless not too sure as to what you did, other then it refers to the, Venom thread, and all of the nonesensical hate the ensued there from both sides.

Anyway to derail this bad boy, how ya' been, buddy?

Sota don't worry about it, some people love to hate and will find any reason to.

thing is he didn't REALLY defend the racism part he just kinda played it off...
I think he tried to help his corp mate which is admirable
but his intentions were kinda skewed
Its not his fault his corp mate is an idiot and probably racist (says it was joke)
but yea people dont give sota a hard time about this very much
im sure a lot of you would have defended ur friends too

Well sota I have to say that what venom did was wrong but it was HIS choice. I had no feelings either way since I dont really care what a fake space man has to say about racism. Should you get hate mail? No prob not. Should venom be banned? Yes prob. Will the community give 2 ***** in a week? No prob not. Everyone who plays video games online should have thick skin, it should say so next to the rating on the box. So relax shoot some noobs and enjoy this game instead of treating it like its real life.

Hope to woop your ass tonight in some ambush :D

Damn, Sota, I am sorry to hear about all of this. From you getting robbed, to the drama, and especially about your "first" cat being laid to rest. I hope it all works out though. I am sorry to hear about this all seriously, and am sorry you are taking so much heat. I read the thread (after it was locked). Seems like nonesensical BS all around in my opinion from both the community and, Venom.

I have a question though if you do not mind my asking since you two are in the same corporation together; is that, Venom, from Warhawk, and MAG? If so I know who that is then, and that will not be the last this community hears of him. Though I doubt he'd remember me from either MAG, or Warhawk. Other then that I was part of WAR!. Ha-ha.

I miss getting hate mail.

Ah I am alright. Trying to be less pessimistic. Trying.

So that is the same, Venom?! Oh lord! Ha-ha. This place just got a whole lot more interesting then. I cannot believe he showed up here, but then again I am not too surprised. Oddly enough.

Anyway I derailed your thread (somewhat), and I apologise for that, and everything going on at the moment. I hope your month gets better though, Sota, and the next month even better for you yet. Besides next month is St. Particks day! Ha-ha. I'll see you on PSN I am sure. I have to say though miss having you in Zion. Doubt I am alone there. Miss all of the youtube links we threw around too on AMVs. XD

Thanks sota! Btw I couldnt believe I got you on the pipeline while you were trying to get maples tank that was a good match.

the lack of reading compression

Not sure why I laughed, but I did.

lol! I'll find that line and edit it later.

hahaha your supposed to say you are testing our reading comprehension.

So, THE reasn you joined IMPswarm because they allow their members to say what they feel? :)

not THE reason, but it is a good part of my decision.

The other part would be I mingle with them the most out of any corp I suppose. There's a level of trust between us.

Internal Error > Imps though :)

I've never seen shackles on Zion members on the forum....maybe private, I don't know.

But I don't see a difference in your trolling now than before when you were Zion.

They banned you?

Was it because you were questioning the leadership?

So you defend a person who spouts racist crap on the forum under the guise of freedom of speech and then when some other people decide to use their freedom of speech to tell you what they think you've got a problem with it?

to reuse a term from one of the people who thinks racism and homophobia is funny, HTFU.

I'm sorry you are going through a rough patch in your life (SoTa) but this ^.

You are known for trolling and most times the internet is anonymous but in this particular case people can find your psn and spam it if they so feel. I wouldn't say it is right or okay but once you put yourself out there publicly, and people disagree with what you said, you can't blame anyone but yourself. People will react how they react and it is your decision to take what they said to heart or to blow it off.

I'm sorry that the individuals that contacted you went so low that you needed to post this, but remember your words do have meaning and if you want to be seen as a troll or whatever a person is called that brings the community together is all up to you. You reap what you sow.

Your grasping at straws now buddy :D

Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation.

Then own the mistake and apologize.

I'm your alliance should probably do the same thing but it looks like they'd rather use it for trolling material compounding the problem with some added homophobia and saying disgraceful things in the name of the American Marine Corps (I'm sure that will work out well for them), shame cause this kinda thing has a way of sticking.

Good use of coercion sota pop you've proved your point, you'd rather attack a third party then apologize.

Apologize for defending a racist.

Venom should apologize as well considering he started this mess and dragged you all into the mud.

And Big Miku needs to as well for posting that ridiculous hate story, claim satire all you want posting something that refers to AIDS as the gay plague is disgusting and offensive.

I guess that will have to do, half arsed, sarcastic apology accepted.

I guess that will have to do, half arsed, sarcastic apology accepted.

Beld, I think you've pursued this as far as it is going to go. When I called Venom out, and challenged SoTaPop, it was at a point where I thought a productive conversation could be had, It's obviously gone far, far beyond that point, which is why I've stayed out of this thread.

SoTa and his friends aren't actually interested in clearing the air or resolving the issue. They're interested in winning an argument. In doing so, they're going to muddy the issue and conflate ideas to the point where there's pages and pages of vomit all over the forums. At Reddit, it's what we call a circle jerk, and it's in full effect here today.

I notice that no one is posting on SoTa's behalf except for his corpmates. They're running around as a pack, trying to win the argument by spinning anything that's said. As long as you engage with them, you're only helping to provide them with ammo to try to justify their position, which they change as it's convenient. Then they'll upvote each other and backslap and cheer.

The point is that they are a group that obviously doesn't have anyone willing to challenge their opinions from within, so it's unlikely that you or anyone will be able to challenge their opinions from without. They say there are no personality barriers in their corp, without realizing that giving everyone a license to asshattery is a personality barrier by itself, since anyone with half a mind for reasonable discourse would stay far away from that kind of crap.

The good news is, this is New Eden, and corps like theirs show up all the time. They might dominate the forums for a while, and they might even dominate the leaderboards, but they have nothing else that makes them cohere. Sooner or later, they'll implode, just like every other group that had their same approach.

And when the fail cascade begins, and the rats start to flee the sinking ship, they'll want to come to a corp like Subdreddit or Southern Legion that will be dominating the game with HBC or CFC. All you need to do is remember names.

Because this is New Eden. Reputation and personality matter.

Rolling on floor splitting my sides at the last part, it will NEVER be Subdreddit and Southern Legion, feel free to favorite this post and see if you will ever get me to eat these words.

Two words: Score board.

I make no assumptions about the future and wish you all the best of luck finding games inside dust and out that make you happy.

And Beld, this is a real apology to you. I know I took this conversation out of line and probably made you feel very insulted and defensive in Black Jackals thread. I did it with a point in mind and I see now to you the point was lost behind my bad intentions. If I had a better way with words I admit I probably wouldn't of needed to do go there just to prove a point. So even if you do not accept my apology I hope you understand I have no ill will towards you and am sorry our views clashed as hard as it did.

That goes for you too Mallinche from earlier. I know it's the internet and things get weird and lost in translation. I don't advocate people being demeaning AT ALL.

Thanks for that. I agree that things get lost in translation, particularly when egos take over. I hope you can respect that my goal hasn't been to attack you personally. You're probably an alright dude.

Of course, I still plan on rolling over your battered carcass with my Madrugar.

And sorry about your cat.