DUST Search - Snipers: simple truth

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Syther Shadows wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR.
With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true.

Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio.
If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault.

My .02 ISK

the amount of kills you get does not change the isk you get

its if your team wins or losses

the amount of isk you get is based on how much expensive loot is dropped on the field and how expensive it is
"+ the base amount of isk you get from winning and losings"

It doesn't change the fact that they're spending next to nothing

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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK
Ryanki VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 29	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:58:00 - [2] - Quote i dunno, i tend to get maybe 150k net gain with most of my non-sniper fits.. i only use sniper to counter snipe
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:02:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK the amount of kills you get does not change the isk you get its if your team wins or losses the amount of isk you get is based on how much expensive loot is dropped on the field and how expensive it is "+ the base amount of isk you get from winning and losings"
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:05:00 - [4] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK the amount of kills you get does not change the isk you get its if your team wins or losses the amount of isk you get is based on how much expensive loot is dropped on the field and how expensive it is "+ the base amount of isk you get from winning and losings" It doesn't change the fact that they're spending next to nothing
Pompeius Maximus Mandalorian's 3	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:18:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK the amount of kills you get does not change the isk you get its if your team wins or losses the amount of isk you get is based on how much expensive loot is dropped on the field and how expensive it is "+ the base amount of isk you get from winning and losings" It doesn't change the fact that they're spending next to nothing Yeah, what you're saying is that you're earning more money simply by the fact that you're spending less to earn the same amount that an assault or a heavy would pay for the same number of kills. Cold, hard efficiency. Good traits for a sniper.
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:20:00 - [6] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK the amount of kills you get does not change the isk you get its if your team wins or losses the amount of isk you get is based on how much expensive loot is dropped on the field and how expensive it is "+ the base amount of isk you get from winning and losings" It doesn't change the fact that they're spending next to nothing from what ive seen a sniper can only do so much let's look at the pro's / cons pro's sniper cheap fit free equip just the cost of the gun you can survive one shot and deal enough damage to kill in 2 shots none head shot (3-4 shots for heavy) con's sniper has a pistol or smg as a side arm militia grade unless they but other wise these a lot of the time are no where near enough to protect you from getting out flanked get flanked your likely to die - solution better side arm's (more isk) its true you can take one hit to the chest but it went through 2/3 of your Armour the next shot if shield is up or not will kill you 2 shots to kill either way (solution better shields or Armour repairer) more isk shooting your target if you don't land a head shot there not likely to stand still making you wast time on one target a higher potential to miss shots on one target - solution better sniper more isk or damage mods as a sniper each shot you take lights you up like a flare on there maps making your position commonly known unless your in a hard to get to place you will get found out and flanked not that stealthy ~ - solution sensor damper as a sniper you have rather limited ammo nuff said while still "enough" about 5 clips and your probable out solution - nano hives all of these things are ways to make sniping easier and even after all this it takes just one person to get killed by you spawn back as a sniper aim for your head no snipers are not cheap imo people just don't counter them effectively since there playing the game cod style run and gunning who ever they see never thinking about cover and what not and the big groups the mob up and think there invisible you are there for that soul reason i personally think that snipers are a low risk low reward thing unless they are playing medium range (easier to hit a target that's closer) or you are really good at sniping In either of these events you deserve to have it easy but at the end of the day a sniper is not likely to win the game for the team as team mates will be going in by them selves while you sit there the enemy team has 2 players running together that team mate will just keep dieing and you loss making you only earn 100k isk i run around in scout militia gear and loss probs 8-10k isk per death but each death i get around about 1-3 kills normally if i get lucky and flank there whole team then its just insane but at the end of the day isk is easy to get just play games skill point's are the hard thing to get and snipers are easily out farmed while they site at 10/0 i site at 20/8 (even after all this i still snipe when the thick of combat is getting to hot for me to handle) TL;DR snipers have there own problems to and there ARE free drop suits you can use any way that will help the team more so why is it easier for them when they have to buy guns ?
Ras Vicious Doomheim 0	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:22:00 - [7] - Quote No, i get 150k-200k every match, assault setup. snipers, they dont do anything useful.
Delirium Inferno Chernova Industries 34	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:24:00 - [8] - Quote Ryanki wrote: i dunno, i tend to get maybe 150k net gain with most of my non-sniper fits.. i only use sniper to counter snipe Plus if you are after an ISK gain then you would just use your non-consumable starter fits all day, so there's more to it than that. As far as things to do with snipers, counter-sniping is always viable but I recently played a match on Line Harvest and my team was having a rough time going into Bravo. I pulled out my sniper starter fit and went to the hills behind Alpha and relayed enemy positions to them, was pretty fun. Only took wounding body shots since I figured those could get confused as regular fire from the front lines and didn't want anyone noticing me. Of course you'll rarely see a sniper actually play like this (unless they add WP for spotting?), but just saying there are some really useful team opportunities for them.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:33:00 - [9] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Ryanki wrote: i dunno, i tend to get maybe 150k net gain with most of my non-sniper fits.. i only use sniper to counter snipe Plus if you are after an ISK gain then you would just use your non-consumable starter fits all day, so there's more to it than that. As far as things to do with snipers, counter-sniping is always viable but I recently played a match on Line Harvest and my team was having a rough time going into Bravo. I pulled out my sniper starter fit and went to the hills behind Alpha and relayed enemy positions to them, was pretty fun. Only took wounding body shots since I figured those could get confused as regular fire from the front lines and didn't want anyone noticing me. Of course you'll rarely see a sniper actually play like this (unless they add WP for spotting?), but just saying there are some really useful team opportunities for them. A good sniper is worth they're weight in gold, was playing in a squad with Corp mates and one of them pulled out a sniper and perched up on a building, our squad was spotting targets for him and getting him to generally harass the enemy. So I think snipers are a very useful playstyle as long as not everyone is doing it.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:55:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: From what I've been hearing, it's very widely believed that snipers are almost always only out to pad their KDR. With my past experience as a sniper, and the simple use of logic, I can say this is only partially true. Yes, they are after KDR, but not necessarily to get on top of the leaderboards; the very simple truth is that they are after a high "isk gain/isk loss" ratio. If there is anything I've learned as a sniper, it's that sniper fittings are relatively cheap; because of this and the sniper KDR, they're almost guaranteed to earn at least 100,000 ISK per battle (net gain, not just pay)- much more than your standard assault. My .02 ISK I think snipers are fine, no problems except, Its intangible atm to really do anything about them. With the influx of new players since open beta I've seen teams consist of 10 snipers or so with only a few actually running objectives. With the current redline being abuse able, you cannot flank these snipers, You could counter snipe, but with the current hit detection bug its really a 50/50 thing if your going to hit him or he's just going to kill you after you tried to counter snipe him. Also the long distance client map drawing doesn't draw details, thus people look like they're floating in the air ect while they're actually behind a rock. The point of snipers and how they function and why is totally fine. But the current way this build functions, kinda makes having snipers in such small maps with such a high level of players sniping, simply frustrating. Just my 2 cents and +1 on post.

Barnabas Wrex Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 147	Posted - 2013.02.17 04:11:00 - [11] - Quote I feel like most snipers are people who started the game and got killed a bunch with an assault fit. Then didn't want to get shot at as much and sit in a far corner of the map. Then there's the good snipers who like doing and do it well. That's any ones reason for playing any fit.
BL4CK FRIAR Defiant Kelkoons 17	Posted - 2013.02.17 04:31:00 - [12] - Quote I was thinking of making a blog titles "BL4CK FRIAR says ur doin' it wrong" for all of the snipers out there. I have gotten a pretty good rep with my Corp and our friends as being the sniper that does it right. My sniper fit comprises of the NT-11 and Breach SMG, and 90% of the time I have the SMG out. Me and my guys run around, taking points . Usually we have a guy that hacks the point and two of us provide cover, this is usually when the rifle comes out. If we spot a guy sniping or get sniped this again is when the sniper rifle comes out. Pro Tip: Sniper rifles should hardly ever be equipped by snipers. Remote Explosives are your best friend. SMG's are your main battle weapon.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2013.02.17 05:01:00 - [13] - Quote When I pull a sniper rifle I am by no means a good sniper, it's not my main play style, and I mainly focus on counter sniping but at least I don't hide behind the red line. Redline snipers are the only ones I have issue with. Those that kill me from the battlefield proper have my enmity and my respect.


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