T_T You make it sound like them tubsters can't be outran. I've out-walked some of them before.

Do you see the problem with your statement? Scout SMG just isn't a very good choice of a set up. SMG effectiveness towards shields is awful and everyone is running shields. Without flux nades it's not going to work well.

Why are there so few SMG scouts in the game? I run a limited, and basic fit but I can do more damage in that than in my more advanced, and costly, Assault Fits.

Is it because it takes a lot of balls to not be able to insta-shoot someone with a shotgun while running low defense? Is it because SMGs feel weird(they feel real good to me <.<)? Or is it because you're an easy target for the other team(lolz easy target, but a hard catch)?

I don't see the problem with the statement...Why did you underline "some" in the quote?

O.o I don't use Flux Nades and I do quite well against heavily shielded opponents most of the time.

Why are there so few SMG scouts in the game? I run a limited, and basic fit but I can do more damage in that than in my more advanced, and costly, Assault Fits.

Is it because it takes a lot of balls to not be able to insta-shoot someone with a shotgun while running low defense? Is it because SMGs feel weird(they feel real good to me <.<)? Or is it because you're an easy target for the other team(lolz easy target, but a hard catch)?

some is not all which means when your entering into combat with a heavy your odds are a percent chance rather then certainty I have that my HMG will pulverize you for thinking running around me is your solution. Scouts need fixing. If that SMG came with a cloak - that would probably be a whole nother story. And I'd find that quiet fair.

Why are there so few SMG scouts in the game? I run a limited, and basic fit but I can do more damage in that than in my more advanced, and costly, Assault Fits.

Is it because it takes a lot of balls to not be able to insta-shoot someone with a shotgun while running low defense? Is it because SMGs feel weird(they feel real good to me <.<)? Or is it because you're an easy target for the other team(lolz easy target, but a hard catch)?

@Ignoble Son :O Another SMG-Scout-Bro...we need a shorter name. SMGer? >.< The few SMGers New Eden has are excellent at what they do, I'm sure. Do you use your agility to support your team or do you just go solo?-á

I find myself doing both. I'll scare some reds into backing into incoming blues just by spraying their shields down from a corner. Or I'll get the enemies attention and drag them over to like two or three blues for them to get gun downed.-á

When I'm by myself I focus heavily on speed and agility. I never try to go head to head but sometimes it be like dat, you know? You get spawned into an assault on your point and you're stuck defending after the first responders got mowed down. Usually I'll just sneak up behind someone and carve em up or I'll speed past them and blaze them in their soft spots and then high tail it out of there...

Some would probably call these moves...wimpy but I'm pretty sure those people probably died by my hands. And if not, they will if we ever meet.

It is a fun setup to play. A real challenge. Curtain death is lurking around every corner. I play a smart game with (the majority of the time) a dedicated group of team players, all of whom I am very proude to be in asosiation with and to call my friends. Most of the time I play the role of point man (drawing the initial enemy fire while the rest of my squad shortly falls in behind me and mops up the leftovers or suckering unwary victims into bad tactical positions) or advanced squad recon (dropping uplinks or gathering intel on enemy positions strong/weak points at the front lines). I do more than my fair share of killing.

Most of the time I run a type two scout, with a repair tool and nano injector. It is a an unrivaled force multiplayer.

It is good to see another dedicated SMG scout.

Cheers

SMG is awesome, as a backup when your main gun has run out of ammo, though using it as a main weapon means severely gimping yourself. you can take out around 4-5 people with a 60 mag clip from the AR, but only around 2-3 from the SMG, 2 when spraying & praying, 3 if you aim and its optimum range is in your face.

Not ideal, unless you get lucky.

But i guess its your clone and ISK to waste

Hey look enemies on the other side of the street .....aww shucks
Sh** sniper up there ....oooh daym ....
Shoot the Lav Driver quick .....ow feck wait ...
Heavy incoming, shoot it shooot IT /scout uses Water gun....its not very effective
LASER!! ....BLIP ...there goes the scout ...damnit...
Shotgun Scout!!! ....Feeling Lucky ?

Like i said, its a good weapon, not Main weapon material and its really a spray & pray weapon.

Btw Ignoble Son, i start to see a pattern here, you want more dodge options while spraying & praying....yeah ....no...

It is painfully obvious that you have never used a desently skilled SMG. Or well fitted scout.

I'm sporting a 2.04 KDR with 3187 kills and 1566 deaths at the moment and it continues to rise every day. It is nothing big to brag about but I am also in the sh!t 100% of the time.

You play the game your way and I'll play it mine.Twisted

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And yeah i know you play it your way, but if we have 16 guys on our team doing it your way, its gonna be a horrible lost game but i guess your on the mindset of "the other guy" will do it properly.

You have no concept of team mechanics do you. How about this: we could squad up and you can find out exactly how useless I am. Just let me know and I'll shoot you a message in game.

Yeah about teaming up, let me know when you use a proper Main weapon instead of a water gun.

Just got through with a match went 15 and 3 in my logi scout with 1600 WP, victory, number one on the leader board on my team. I consistently place in the top four. I would say that I am doing quite alright.

I also have a A series laser rifle assault fit that I am quite fond of, but I perfer the logi scout roll.



Dude, you don't have to make up excuses, just tell the truth, which I am sure would probably go something like:

"Na, dude im to afraid you'll prove me wrong."

Let me address my actual annoyances here before I get into the meat of it:

I think the point that is missed here is the Type II 'Logi Scout' fit, which only has 1 weapon slot. It sacrifices the side arm for another equipment slot. Then equipping and injector and rep gun, you've just turned yourself into a really fast (although thin) Logi, that is an asset to your team.

Using an SMG over an AR with this fit gives you several advantages.

-In CQ, if you are smart, you are going to win vs an AR in the majority of suits in that people are running around. This isn't how good 'you' are, this is Math.
-Faster reload than an AR
-With no AR, you typically won't put yourself in a position of hitting someone from range which often exposes you.
-You don't have the range limit of a Shotgun.

There will always be exceptions and fittings that can counter. But rare so far are the Type II's and B's that are so shield heavy that a well skilled SMG can't drain them. This is probably due to the Blueprint type 1's and the AUR A's that has most players armor heavy and slow at the moment. And the rules may change once people catch on to the fact That skilled FPSers in Shield suits are owning them and people actually start spending ISK on their suits.

The SMG kills fast and has, imo, the best ADS in the game. I wasn't a believer either until I took Ign's advice, actually skilled it, and used something other than the Toxin.

If you don't like it, or don't believe it, don't try it. But fact of the matter is there is a viable place for this build on the battle field and I love being in a squad with that build in the right hands.

i run smg scout

This.

I actually ran a similiar support fit but it was an AV. The "main weapon" was the Swarm Launcher in the light slot while the "sidearm" was the SMG. In actuality, it was the SMG that was the main weapon and the Swarm Launchers that was a sidearm. Not only was I able to quickly take out vehicles, I could also take down oncoming enemies or enemies who were able to survive the wreckage. I also carried "trip wire" detonators which I used to prepare a safety line for my team at a point.

Why so few Scrambler Pistol Scouts?