Its all good Repe! Do you have any absinthe to share?

Man, I TOLD ya I'm Finnish, not Dutch!

We drink Kossu

He probably wasn't shield fit? And if he had derpsuit command to V and profile dampening to V it would reduce his signature a decent amount to not be noticable if you don't have profile analysis skill.

Ninja-fatty. It is plausible. Improbable, but plausible.

Also I'm pretty sure that the outer range of your targetting radius is shorter than the optimals of the heavy. So unless he was right on top of you he wouldn't have appeared in that inner circle on the radar, which I think corresponds to your suit's sensors.

Fat Ninjas scare me.
Because you have no idea what they intend to **** you with.

Sorry if that was me forge gunning you yesterday, there was a scout on the roof unawares of me charging a forge gun right next to his temple. BTW forge gun that close hurts the operator quite a bit.

I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away.
No, he didn't spawn in there.

Dropsuit Operation V
Profile Dampening III to V
and profile dampening mods

= radar ninja.

How did that fatboy get to my back without me noticing him

I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away.
No, he didn't spawn in there.

At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable.

More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy.

In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB.


TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real.

say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m?

Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up

Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius.

To recap for any newbros who may be reading :

Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Precision - the accuracy of the suits senors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters

The system basically works with lower number wins.
Simplest possible case.
If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar.

Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete.

Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up

Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius.

To recap for any newbros who may be reading :

Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Precision - the accuracy of the suits sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters

The system basically works with lower number wins.
Simplest possible case.
If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar.

Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete.

He held his farts in.

Damn it. Don't you go all science on mALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS LEADER.

Yeah, I _kinda_ get it but still it's irritating. I mean come on! Fat ninjas! There were no fat ninjas back in our time, and only one black.

I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away.
No, he didn't spawn in there.

C'mon c'mon c'mon, almost there. Right behind him keep it in!

I'm a fatty. I also ninja ppl ass regularly. It's real.



I believe you guy get a misconception about scanning in general.
From my experience. Yeah, experience, I don't really know the math or mechanic behind scanning in Dust, so I can be wrong. Scanning is not a wonder tool that make all red dot around you magically appear without exception. In order to make someone appear in your radar, you still need to somewhat look at them. Having bad scanning mean you need to literally point at him before his red triangle appear and as soon as you reticle leave him he disappear. Having good scanning mean you just need to look at general direction and all red dot in your screen will appear. Plus, their red triangle will linger for while even after they run to cover, hide behind crate or run to other side of container. You will see where he is going for awhile.

I don't think you can scan people BEHIND you AT ALL. Those time they appear is most likely due to your teammate seeing them, thus, input them to your radar.

welcome to the wonderful world of the broken profile system.
you have a 90 degree of actual radar effectivness anything behind you might as well have a zero profile.

this is also another reason of why scout suits are the most worthless thing to train into as well. because it doesn't matter what profile you have you can make something appear on the map regardless of their profile and your scan. just point the reticle on the enemy and tada they will light up.

i've done it to snipers across the map lighting them up for my snipers to kill them and i was in a militia fat suit using a forge gun.

it really is pathetic how bad the profile system works.

not team mates, actual squad members.

teams don't contribute to your radar because that would be unfair.

as for the scanning accuracy vs how close they appear it really doesn't matter, because if you are worth a **** than you will look directly at them making them appear on the radar, this is also a reason for the stealth LAVs that will run you over every now and again.

the whole system is busted and needs to be looked at completely. i'm not wasting my points to get a whole meter of being able to allows someone to pop on the radar.

careful thinking allows my fat heavy with no profile mods at all to sneak behind enemy lines and steal that CRU right under the noses of the enemy.

You see, he WAS right on top of me. That's what makes it so funny. I mean, he was literally hugging me from behind and I didn't see him on the radar until he started firing. And in this case i mean literally as in literally.

My original thought was that there might be something wrong (bugged?) about radar-detection.

this info might be outdated by now but:

Radar/spotting actually works on a visual basis for dropsuits. as in, a dropsuit can only put something on the map if it's LOOKING at it. with the signature stats affecting whether or not even that works, and for how long they stay spotted after they break line of sight.

the exception to this would be the vehicle scanners, which effectively "look" in all directions at once.

Again, false. Do any of you actually have any SP invested into sensor skills. Sensors aren't magic, they have a very limited range w/o mods, & the effectiveness will vary based on your & your opponents current skills & gear. They won't always work in your favor, nor should they. The OP post proves that the correct combination of skills & fitting can yield a stealth build with any DS. Time to invest in profile analyst OP.

Again, false. Do any of you actually have any SP invested into sensor skills. Sensors aren't magic, they have a very limited range w/o mods, & the effectiveness will vary based on your & your opponents current skills & gear. They won't always work in your favor, nor should they. The OP post proves that the correct combination of skills & fitting can yield a stealth build with any DS. Time to invest in profile analyst OP.