DUST Search - How did that fatboy get to my back without me noticing him on my radar with scout?

Repe Susi wrote:

dent 308 wrote:

Monty Mole Clone wrote:

dent 308 wrote:

At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable.

More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy.

In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB.

TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real.

say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m?

Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up

Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius.

To recap for any newbros who may be reading :

Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Precision - the accuracy of the suits sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels
Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters

The system basically works with lower number wins.
Simplest possible case.
If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar.

Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete.

Damn it. Don't you go all science on mALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS LEADER.

Yeah, I _kinda_ get it but still it's irritating. I mean come on! Fat ninjas! There were no fat ninjas back in our time, and only one black.

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Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:25:00 - [1] - Quote I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away. No, he didn't spawn in there.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 284	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:27:00 - [2] - Quote Its all good Repe! Do you have any absinthe to share?
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:30:00 - [3] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Its all good Repe! Do you have any absinthe to share? Man, I TOLD ya I'm Finnish, not Dutch! We drink Kossu
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:31:00 - [4] - Quote He probably wasn't shield fit? And if he had derpsuit command to V and profile dampening to V it would reduce his signature a decent amount to not be noticable if you don't have profile analysis skill.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 284	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:34:00 - [5] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: lowratehitman wrote: Its all good Repe! Do you have any absinthe to share? Man, I TOLD ya I'm Finnish, not Dutch! We drink Kossu The grain (barley) alcohol is produced using 200-step continuous distillation designed to produce high-purity industrial ethanol. The drink is produced by diluting this alcohol with spring water and a very small amount of sugar. Although commonly called a vodka in English, in Finland it is not called a "vodka", but viina (see br+ñnnvin), although the word "vodka" is found in the label due to EU regulations. SOUNDS GOOD ^^^^^^
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.02.15 12:35:00 - [6] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: He probably wasn't shield fit? And if he had derpsuit command to V and profile dampening to V it would reduce his signature a decent amount to not be noticable if you don't have profile analysis skill. Ninja-fatty. It is plausible. Improbable, but plausible.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 283	Posted - 2013.02.15 13:05:00 - [7] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: He probably wasn't shield fit? And if he had derpsuit command to V and profile dampening to V it would reduce his signature a decent amount to not be noticable if you don't have profile analysis skill. Ninja-fatty. It is plausible. Improbable, but plausible. Dropsuit Operation V Profile Dampening III to V and profile dampening mods = radar ninja.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.15 13:21:00 - [8] - Quote Also I'm pretty sure that the outer range of your targetting radius is shorter than the optimals of the heavy. So unless he was right on top of you he wouldn't have appeared in that inner circle on the radar, which I think corresponds to your suit's sensors.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.02.15 13:24:00 - [9] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Also I'm pretty sure that the outer range of your targetting radius is shorter than the optimals of the heavy. So unless he was right on top of you he wouldn't have appeared in that inner circle on the radar, which I think corresponds to your suit's sensors. You see, he WAS right on top of me. That's what makes it so funny. I mean, he was literally hugging me from behind and I didn't see him on the radar until he started firing. And in this case i mean literally as in literally. My original thought was that there might be something wrong (bugged?) about radar-detection.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:46:00 - [10] - Quote welcome to the wonderful world of the broken profile system. you have a 90 degree of actual radar effectivness anything behind you might as well have a zero profile. this is also another reason of why scout suits are the most worthless thing to train into as well. because it doesn't matter what profile you have you can make something appear on the map regardless of their profile and your scan. just point the reticle on the enemy and tada they will light up. i've done it to snipers across the map lighting them up for my snipers to kill them and i was in a militia fat suit using a forge gun. it really is pathetic how bad the profile system works.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:48:00 - [11] - Quote Fat Ninjas scare me. Because you have no idea what they intend to **** you with. Sorry if that was me forge gunning you yesterday, there was a scout on the roof unawares of me charging a forge gun right next to his temple. BTW forge gun that close hurts the operator quite a bit.
Alcare Xavier Golden DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:54:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Fat Ninjas scare me. Because you have no idea what they intend to **** you with. Sorry if that was me forge gunning you yesterday, there was a scout on the roof unawares of me charging a forge gun right next to his temple. BTW forge gun that close hurts the operator quite a bit. Hey!...that might have been me....Wait, he stepped around the corner with a HMG...but I never saw him coming. shrugs Thems the breaks when you get tunnel vision!
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away. No, he didn't spawn in there. Were you in scope?
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:24:00 - [14] - Quote Yep even fat suits can sneak up on you without being detected by your scanners, has happened to me several times.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:38:00 - [15] - Quote Scout says fatsuit?? Is someone there?? must have been the wind. Ninja fatsuit? Nah!! Not me. Hides HMG and brings out SMG two inches from back of Scouts skull.
Treemugger I mug trees. 34	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:45:00 - [16] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Dropsuit Operation V Profile Dampening III to V and profile dampening mods = radar ninja. Yeah, Dropsuit Operation V alone takes a Heavy down to about 49, and a Scout's scanner is only 45 so it wouldn't take a lot. This scares me.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Quote: How did that fatboy get to my back without me noticing him He held his farts in.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away. No, he didn't spawn in there. I taped very large pillows to my feet.
Monty Mole Clone The c64s 8	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote anybody got what they would consider good scaning skills? coz ive nearly finished the damping skills. the ability to follow people about really close is a fun game all by itself. so it would be nice to know if its possible to be the all seeing eye aswell
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:56:00 - [20] - Quote At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real.

Monty Mole Clone The c64s 8	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:01:00 - [21] - Quote dent 308 wrote: At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real. say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m?
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:15:00 - [22] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: dent 308 wrote: At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real. say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m? Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius. To recap for any newbros who may be reading : Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Precision - the accuracy of the suits sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters The system basically works with lower number wins. Simplest possible case. If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar. Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete.
Monty Mole Clone The c64s 8	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:19:00 - [23] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: dent 308 wrote: At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real. say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m? Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius. To recap for any newbros who may be reading : Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Precision - the accuracy of the suits senors, lower is better, unit is decibels Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters The system basically works with lower number wins. Simplest possible case. If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar. Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete. thank you good sir, scanning skllls next it is then
Mads Katter Nova Corps Marines 15	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:26:00 - [24] - Quote As a "Fatty", I can tell you it is not always about profile signature. I've found that if a heavy just walks and uses cover to their advantage they can easily sneak up on those who's focus is elsewhere, put their HMG to the back of the head and SCRAMBLE! As long as you walk and don't fire or charge your weapon, it seems that you don't show up on the radar no matter what suit class you are running. Besides Dropsuit Command up to get the heavy, I have not have any skills or modules to dampen my signature...and yet...I still get the drop on people regularly. Even on corpmates who know better.
CPL Bloodstone SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 13	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:06:00 - [25] - Quote Might have been me. "How do you sneak up on a unique scout? You unique up on him"
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:40:00 - [26] - Quote I'm a fatty. I also ninja ppl ass regularly. It's real. I believe you guy get a misconception about scanning in general. From my experience. Yeah, experience, I don't really know the math or mechanic behind scanning in Dust, so I can be wrong. Scanning is not a wonder tool that make all red dot around you magically appear without exception. In order to make someone appear in your radar, you still need to somewhat look at them. Having bad scanning mean you need to literally point at him before his red triangle appear and as soon as you reticle leave him he disappear. Having good scanning mean you just need to look at general direction and all red dot in your screen will appear. Plus, their red triangle will linger for while even after they run to cover, hide behind crate or run to other side of container. You will see where he is going for awhile. I don't think you can scan people BEHIND you AT ALL. Those time they appear is most likely due to your teammate seeing them, thus, input them to your radar.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:47:00 - [27] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: dent 308 wrote: At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real. say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m? Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius. To recap for any newbros who may be reading : Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Precision - the accuracy of the suits sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters The system basically works with lower number wins. Simplest possible case. If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar. Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete. Damn it. Don't you go all science on mALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS LEADER. Yeah, I _kinda_ get it but still it's irritating. I mean come on! Fat ninjas! There were no fat ninjas back in our time, and only one black.
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:53:00 - [28] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Quote: How did that fatboy get to my back without me noticing him He held his farts in. C'mon c'mon c'mon, almost there. Right behind him keep it in!
Reclusiarch Grimaldus D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:57:00 - [29] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: dent 308 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: dent 308 wrote: At dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 5 a heavy would have a profile of about 35 dB, coming in under the scouts precision of 45 dB so the Fat Ninja can actually be viable. More likely combination would be dropsuit command 5 and profile dampening 3 ( 36 dB ) add an enhanced dampener and your get 26 dB profile on the heavy. In order to counter this guy with your scout you would need profile analysis 3 ( scout precision of about 38 dB ) and 2 advanced precision enhancers = total precision of about 25 dB. TL:DR Fat Ninjas are real. say for example if i have a scan radius of 50m and a scan pricision 25db and you have a suit profile of say 30db would i pick you up straight away at 49m? Not certain if or how the signal degrades, but I have been assuming the scan radius is a hard circle, so my hunch is it would show up Your precision of 25dB is under his profile of 30 dB, so he would be revealed once he was within your scan radius. To recap for any newbros who may be reading : Profile - the electronic footprint of a suit or how visible it is to sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Precision - the accuracy of the suits sensors, lower is better, unit is decibels Radius - the range of the suits sensors, unit is meters The system basically works with lower number wins. Simplest possible case. If your profile is lower than his precision, you stay off his radar. Real world you have a pile of teammates roaming about all feeding data to each other, so it gets a bit more complicated but this is the fundamentals for how sensors and damps compete. Damn it. Don't you go all science on mALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS LEADER. Yeah, I _kinda_ get it but still it's irritating. I mean come on! Fat ninjas! There were no fat ninjas back in our time, and only one black. how could you forget the one true fat ninja of our time... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118708/ for shame...
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. 7	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:59:00 - [30] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I have long range scanning I and scout suit and BAM! He was pinching my butt with his HMG inches away. No, he didn't spawn in there. Thats cause we are sneaky fat b@astards. If we get that close u die HAHAHAHA.



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