DUST Search - So how is this balanced?

charlesnette dalari wrote:

nukel head wrote:

Pakratpatti TG wrote:

I've Played many a matches were it's been stacked against me/us.
Hmm guess changing your battle tactics & adapting to the playing field would be a thought. You can't step into a battle & say wooo wait this isn't fair lets even this out..I'd Rflmao off at you!
Maybe it's not balanced out to see just how good you can actually be if you have to us of your own thought process with some real tactical play..Just a Thought :S

I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere. I believe what most people are asking for is NOT to make the game easier, just to not CONSISTENTLY have one side completely outmatched by the other in every way. I have been on the receiving end of those matches plenty - no amount of tactics will help against an organized team. All I do is draw all the attention and get gang raped while the rest of my team hides behind the redline. At best I can go into team chat and try to talk to them even though there is rarely anyone else with a mic. I don't think pitting several squads against one or two players is really what it is all about is it? Who couldn't dominate like that? Why are all you so afraid of a more organized enemy? "Duck Hunt" on Nintendo was fun for a little while, but it got boring quick. What if the ducks were able to kill YOU?

There actually was a game version of duck hunt where they shot back can't remember what its called now. Here is the thing. What is wrong is not so much the matchmaking but rather 3 other issues....

1 We all should start pub matches not placed in a random squad so we have to choose our teammates if we didn't start the match in a pre-made squad. There should also be incentive for squadding up like you can only drop OB if you join a squad. This also solves the problem of random people being made squad leader that have no clue how to be one.

2 We should by default be put into team chat the moment we are in the war barge to encourage communication and so people will group up. This will also help players find a corp to join that they enjoy playing with if they are new and it will foster communication and teamwork.

3 Voice chat should be on by default

These 3 things will solve the problem and then let the matchmaking system do what it is supposed to do put players in matches with similar SP level and ping times. I want the matchmaking system concentrating on making sure the players it groups have similar latency and skills so that we get games with low lag and the opponent is equally skilled in a sandbox WE control. WE the players should make the decision about how to group up as a team not the matchmaking system.

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Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:38:00 - [31] - Quote I don't know what CCP could do to better balance games. I do know that these matches where you're either being redlined or doing the redlining are becoming very common. They are very boring. I hope CCP can do something to reduce this.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. 133	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:42:00 - [32] - Quote Full Metal Kitten wrote: CUBS is a good example of DUST's finest. +1 CUBS is a tough dude to take down.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. 133	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:43:00 - [33] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! Yeah, but its fine when STB rolls out 4 tanks isn't it? lol yeah i bet it is.
CookieStein G I A N T 62	Posted - 2013.02.16 03:02:00 - [34] - Quote So if we're SoTa PoP wrote: the bottom feeders of the worst beta corps and we already beat you and Impswarm that makes yourself and Impswarm what exactly?
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.16 03:46:00 - [35] - Quote Unless told otherwise I am sure no fixed matchmaking happens, and it is totally random.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.16 03:58:00 - [36] - Quote And a blue berry, like me, going up against a squad of imperfects and their tanks( they aren't the only ones who do it though) is fair??? What's that thing people love to say around these parts? Oh right, HTFU!
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.16 04:30:00 - [37] - Quote Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! I played in this match with my alt. Our side was unorganized and deserved the terrible deaths we got. It was chance lotus had that stacked of a side, fair? Of course it is fool. GG lotus, I had fun in it. Challenge is much better then a normal pub bore.
Villanor Aquarius Shattered Ascension 79	Posted - 2013.02.16 09:17:00 - [38] - Quote There is nothing fair about the EVE universe. Getting put into a match with teammates who can't work together is frustrating but too bad. Don't like it then get your own full squad. EVE and Dust are truly multiplayer games. Get friends and work with them or it will not go well against those who are doing that. Also really each individual match doesn't matter. Sure stats are nice and all but you don't gain or lose territory, your isk payout isn't hugely different, your reputation isn't tarnished and people don't rage quit your corp because of it. Welcome to EVE, where making the game "unfair" to the other player is the game.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.16 10:48:00 - [39] - Quote Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! It's people like you that ruin shooters. Cry and get developers to take out option to fill entire team with corp. I miss games like Socom2-3 where you could go into a room and find a team stacked with one clan and you bring your clan in and go at it with them.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 4	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:15:00 - [40] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! It's people like you that ruin shooters. Cry and get developers to take out option to fill entire team with corp. I miss games like Socom2-3 where you could go into a room and find a team stacked with one clan and you bring your clan in and go at it with them. I couldn't disagree with you more, Xero. It's a game. I for one am not one the best at shooters, but I am at least average. Having been on both sides of these types of matches, I can definitely say that something needs to be done to fix the matchmaking. A TRUE player does not enjoy a match against an inexperienced newb team. Those matches are boring from the winning side and rage-quit frustrating from the other. My understanding of the matchmaking is that the skirmish and ambush matches were supposed to PREVENT team stacking to make them balanced and competitive. The corporation contracts are where you attempt to stack a team. If you are REALLY any good that is where you prove it. NOT by curb stomping a bunch of people who might just be learning how to play. If you really think yourself that good, put your space bucks where your mouth is and do corporate contracts. As for the matchmaking, I don't mind playing with and against players of all skill level. I will help the ones that need help and do my best to take down those that are better than me. But I would like to see more even matches to make it interesting.

lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 283	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:36:00 - [41] - Quote Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! I have come to the point that I do not rage anymore, and try my hardest to not get upset. I have a strong winning mentality that the beta has crushed, and i am not upset, due to it being a beta. I find most of the problems coming from new players that need guiadence. I have been redlined a few times this weekend only to see people setting up camp in the redline, having BBQ's and LAV truck and tractor pulls. So I remember that it is just a PUB game, and a BETA as well, and I pull the trusty LAZOR rifle out and roast some marshmellows that are pushing the spawn trap.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 4	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:43:00 - [42] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: There is nothing fair about the EVE universe. Getting put into a match with teammates who can't work together is frustrating but too bad. Don't like it then get your own full squad. EVE and Dust are truly multiplayer games. Get friends and work with them or it will not go well against those who are doing that. Also really each individual match doesn't matter. Sure stats are nice and all but you don't gain or lose territory, your isk payout isn't hugely different, your reputation isn't tarnished and people don't rage quit your corp because of it. Welcome to EVE, where making the game "unfair" to the other player is the game. So Eve is not about defeating a worthy foe? It is not about true skill or talent at all, but more about kicking around those with less skill and experience than yourself. Wow. Bet you get laid a lot? At the nursing home? With the comatose patients?
MC2044-Razgriz Polaris BetaMax Beta 2	Posted - 2013.02.18 08:24:00 - [43] - Quote Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! OH MY GOD YES! I COULDN'T AGREE MORE! CCP YOU FOOLS! YOU EVER LIVING FOOLS! PLEASE OH GOD BOW DOWN TO THIS CAREBEAR AND MAKE HIS WISHES COME TRUE! ';..;' you've got to be fu/cking kidding me right? you seriously need to pull your head out of your ass. The match making system is not broken when two organized groups get together. that right there is an example of people doing what this game is designed to do and WORK THE HELL TOGETHER! Quit being a standard issue blueberry and look for the real bugs in the system not the shi't that sets this game apart from every other mindless dic/kbeater game like COD and BF3. WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR TEAM AND SHUT YOUR CRYING UP!
Fiddlestaxp Sil3nt Assassins 30	Posted - 2013.02.18 08:50:00 - [44] - Quote Personally, I really like seeing familiar squads on the other team. It provides some sort of objective to what is otherwise a mindless SP grind. Seeing Cubs + Nugs is great. I'm probably going to lose money to them, but at least it is challanging. Same thing with good tank drivers. Zitro usually stomps my pub, but every once in a while we kill his tank. Minor e-complishments make all the difference. Different story when everyone on the other team is in a squad from a decent clan and your team is all default corps + your two buddies. If we weren't so proud we would back out. It only makes sense to back out from an ISK/SP stand point. That shouldn't happen. Matches should be consistant. Ideally, all quick matches should be winnable by either side. Not always possible I am sure, but that should be the goal. Quality Matchmaking systems are certainly possible and I think they have made some improvement, but it should remain a top priority until you get it right. You will know when it is close; the W/L ratios will start to even out. EDIT: Really the spawns are one of the things that are making matches less competative. When a better team gets on a roll, the game tends to spawn you into **** storms over and over again. It is hard to come back from that. And yes I am talking about ambush as if it were THE pubmatch because the game currently encourages it through the soft SP cap.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.18 13:40:00 - [45] - Quote There's a match making system? I couldn't tell, I thought it just randomly filled teams with whatever squads and solo runners that were Qed. I'd like to see a better match making system myself just to make things more interesting. I agree with others that stacking teams and going against unorganized & bad randoms is lame, stacked team just captures everything and has to try to beat each other to kills from the redline :P. While it may be amusing it doesn't require any skill and its boring. It'd be much better if the match making system tossed squads in matches with other squads and put the solo runners against other solos.. or at least evening it out, so if one team has a squad of 4 the other team gets the next squad of 4. A lot of games have had a better match making system than the one already in place, skill level could be involved as well if they could find a good calculation for that stat.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 4	Posted - 2013.02.18 15:16:00 - [46] - Quote Pakratpatti TG wrote: I've Played many a matches were it's been stacked against me/us. Hmm guess changing your battle tactics & adapting to the playing field would be a thought. You can't step into a battle & say wooo wait this isn't fair lets even this out..I'd Rflmao off at you! Maybe it's not balanced out to see just how good you can actually be if you have to us of your own thought process with some real tactical play..Just a Thought :S I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere. I believe what most people are asking for is NOT to make the game easier, just to not CONSISTENTLY have one side completely outmatched by the other in every way. I have been on the receiving end of those matches plenty - no amount of tactics will help against an organized team. All I do is draw all the attention and get gang raped while the rest of my team hides behind the redline. At best I can go into team chat and try to talk to them even though there is rarely anyone else with a mic. I don't think pitting several squads against one or two players is really what it is all about is it? Who couldn't dominate like that? Why are all you so afraid of a more organized enemy? "Duck Hunt" on Nintendo was fun for a little while, but it got boring quick. What if the ducks were able to kill YOU?
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 159	Posted - 2013.02.18 16:13:00 - [47] - Quote nukel head wrote: Pakratpatti TG wrote: I've Played many a matches were it's been stacked against me/us. Hmm guess changing your battle tactics & adapting to the playing field would be a thought. You can't step into a battle & say wooo wait this isn't fair lets even this out..I'd Rflmao off at you! Maybe it's not balanced out to see just how good you can actually be if you have to us of your own thought process with some real tactical play..Just a Thought :S I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere. I believe what most people are asking for is NOT to make the game easier, just to not CONSISTENTLY have one side completely outmatched by the other in every way. I have been on the receiving end of those matches plenty - no amount of tactics will help against an organized team. All I do is draw all the attention and get gang raped while the rest of my team hides behind the redline. At best I can go into team chat and try to talk to them even though there is rarely anyone else with a mic. I don't think pitting several squads against one or two players is really what it is all about is it? Who couldn't dominate like that? Why are all you so afraid of a more organized enemy? "Duck Hunt" on Nintendo was fun for a little while, but it got boring quick. What if the ducks were able to kill YOU? There actually was a game version of duck hunt where they shot back can't remember what its called now. Here is the thing. What is wrong is not so much the matchmaking but rather 3 other issues.... 1 We all should start pub matches not placed in a random squad so we have to choose our teammates if we didn't start the match in a pre-made squad. There should also be incentive for squadding up like you can only drop OB if you join a squad. This also solves the problem of random people being made squad leader that have no clue how to be one. 2 We should by default be put into team chat the moment we are in the war barge to encourage communication and so people will group up. This will also help players find a corp to join that they enjoy playing with if they are new and it will foster communication and teamwork. 3 Voice chat should be on by default These 3 things will solve the problem and then let the matchmaking system do what it is supposed to do put players in matches with similar SP level and ping times. I want the matchmaking system concentrating on making sure the players it groups have similar latency and skills so that we get games with low lag and the opponent is equally skilled in a sandbox WE control. WE the players should make the decision about how to group up as a team not the matchmaking system.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 4	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:30:00 - [48] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: nukel head wrote: Pakratpatti TG wrote: I've Played many a matches were it's been stacked against me/us. Hmm guess changing your battle tactics & adapting to the playing field would be a thought. You can't step into a battle & say wooo wait this isn't fair lets even this out..I'd Rflmao off at you! Maybe it's not balanced out to see just how good you can actually be if you have to us of your own thought process with some real tactical play..Just a Thought :S I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere. I believe what most people are asking for is NOT to make the game easier, just to not CONSISTENTLY have one side completely outmatched by the other in every way. I have been on the receiving end of those matches plenty - no amount of tactics will help against an organized team. All I do is draw all the attention and get gang raped while the rest of my team hides behind the redline. At best I can go into team chat and try to talk to them even though there is rarely anyone else with a mic. I don't think pitting several squads against one or two players is really what it is all about is it? Who couldn't dominate like that? Why are all you so afraid of a more organized enemy? "Duck Hunt" on Nintendo was fun for a little while, but it got boring quick. What if the ducks were able to kill YOU? There actually was a game version of duck hunt where they shot back can't remember what its called now. Here is the thing. What is wrong is not so much the matchmaking but rather 3 other issues.... 1 We all should start pub matches not placed in a random squad so we have to choose our teammates if we didn't start the match in a pre-made squad. There should also be incentive for squadding up like you can only drop OB if you join a squad. This also solves the problem of random people being made squad leader that have no clue how to be one. 2 We should by default be put into team chat the moment we are in the war barge to encourage communication and so people will group up. This will also help players find a corp to join that they enjoy playing with if they are new and it will foster communication and teamwork. 3 Voice chat should be on by default These 3 things will solve the problem and then let the matchmaking system do what it is supposed to do put players in matches with similar SP level and ping times. I want the matchmaking system concentrating on making sure the players it groups have similar latency and skills so that we get games with low lag and the opponent is equally skilled in a sandbox WE control. WE the players should make the decision about how to group up as a team not the matchmaking system. That could also work, provided there is some basic but decent randomizing of the team roster. There would always be those that would attempt to get a whole corp on one side. Allowing a single squad to group and go in wouldn't be a problem as long as whatever mechanism puts the teams together does the same to both sides. Your method would definitely encourage people to work together. I would be willing to try it.
Jonny RIC0 ROGUE SPADES 37	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:37:00 - [49] - Quote The OP has a reasonable point. I can see no reason why Corp squads can't be distributed more fairly. Having been on the wrong end of an Imperfects / Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunters team, I can sympathise. I ended up 1st on my team by some distance with only 7 kills and 5 deaths. The hardest 7 kills I've earned.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.18 23:41:00 - [50] - Quote Sh*t Happens

Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:09:00 - [51] - Quote MC2044-Razgriz Polaris wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! OH MY GOD YES! I COULDN'T AGREE MORE! CCP YOU FOOLS! YOU EVER LIVING FOOLS! PLEASE OH GOD BOW DOWN TO THIS CAREBEAR AND MAKE HIS WISHES COME TRUE! ';..;' you've got to be fu/cking kidding me right? you seriously need to pull your head out of your ass. The match making system is not broken when two organized groups get together. that right there is an example of people doing what this game is designed to do and WORK THE HELL TOGETHER! Quit being a standard issue blueberry and look for the real bugs in the system not the shi't that sets this game apart from every other mindless dic/kbeater game like COD and BF3. WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR TEAM AND SHUT YOUR CRYING UP! What this ^ guy said! Iced you are a carebear and only looking to make this game easier for you noobs! A well balanced matchmaking system? Pffft, what a coward, you deserve all the one sided teams you get! I don't think some people understand it is not that we don't want to play better people, it is that I am tired of beating up on the new!
Rubico BetaMax. 2	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:11:00 - [52] - Quote Icedslayer wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! At Lotus and Giant being stacked teams... LMAO i was soloing dumb **** So?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:13:00 - [53] - Quote Rubico wrote: Icedslayer wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! At Lotus and Giant being stacked teams... LMAO i was soloing dumb ** So? Exactly. Everybody who isn't in a squad is soloing, no one gives a ** about them, what makes you special?
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:18:00 - [54] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Rubico wrote: Icedslayer wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Icedslayer wrote: So just got done a game against a double stacked team of LOTUS, Giant does that sound even remotely far? Not complaining about my opponents but seriously if they pitted those to against each other and filled the rest in accordingly it would be a epic game. But i'am left with a few KEQ and 1 burgezz guy and the rest dumbass blue dots. CCP FIX YOUR F@CKING MATCH MAKING!! At Lotus and Giant being stacked teams... LMAO i was soloing dumb ** So? Exactly. Everybody who isn't in a squad is soloing, no one gives a ** about them, what makes you special? So a team full of randoms versus a team with 2-3 full squads is good matchmaking? Please explain.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:29:00 - [55] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: So a team full of randoms versus a team with 2-3 full squads is good matchmaking? Please explain. My team only has so many clones, and I can only get killed so many times. Whether there's 1 elite squad or two squads, my team is still going to get massacred. That won't really change how many times I die, unless they specifically target me, but now the guys on the other team have to compete for kills against each other. I will probably get less kills, but fck it sht happens. We can't always have things our way. I wouldn't call it good match making, but it's nothing to cry over. Edit: The match will probably also be over quicker, so I don't have to waste time in a losing battle. So yeah, I don't see a problem.


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