It's an idea that I've been kicking around in my head for awhile, and I just wanted to get the community's thoughts on it. See whether or not I'm just spinning my wheels.

The idea is simple: Every time you die, you lose a little SP

Right now I'm thinking 0.01% of your total SP accumulated. That works out to be 100 SP lost for every 1 million SP that a player has earned already. This wouldn't come from the SP gained per match, but would instead be deducted from your SP total.

This, I think, would make it possible for new players to "catch up" with Vet players, and give a reason for "bad players" (players who don't work with their teams, or who go all kamikaze and charge into overwhelming odds) to up their game.

This would also make it possible for assassination/bounty hunting against palyers actually mean something besides friendly (or maybe not so friendly) harassment.

IDK, like I said it's just an idea I've been thinking about, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Anyway, that's my idea. Condone, or Condemn, as you see fit.

Actually you gain experience as you play/die, not lose it. As the saying goes, you learn from your mistakes.

Right now I'm thinking 0.01% of your total SP accumulated. That works out to be 100 SP lost for every 1 million SP that a player has earned already. This wouldn't come from the SP gained per match, but would instead be deducted from your SP total.

This, I think, would make it possible for new players to "catch up" with Vet players, and give a reason for "bad players" (players who don't work with their teams, or who go all kamikaze and charge into overwhelming odds) to up their game.
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What it would do is

1) Place a cap on total SP far below that required to max out the current skill tree. The SP tax is regressive in that the higher you get the more it penalizes you. That creates a ceiling on total points you can earn/keep. That in turn would cap players desire to play.

2) Cause significant rage in a large percentage of players when they go negative after a hard fought match.

3) Require random skill loss as unallocated SP goes negative.

4) Encourage all high level characters to become snipers 100% of the time, discarding all the other skills they played so long to obtain.

I'm afraid that you haven't put any thought into the myriad problems with your suggestion.

Noobs will constantly be pushed further down by the good players if this happens. Also if you implement a 100 SP loss per death that would not change most people mindset in playing this game.....however if you start making it more painful then you will ruin the game because noone will want to die thus they will hide the entire match. Right now prices are being kept constant by CCP but once this game gets out of beta the items will likely start to be made by players thus the prices will end up going higher. I fully expect that, if this game continues on its current track and players do start making their own items, the prices on modules 1.5 - 2 years from now will be vastly different. Be expecting to pay 100K plus for a single complex shield module and proto suits will probably be close to a million a pop....dont even want to think what tanks will cost.

A flat SP tax would hurt beginners, and a percentage of total SP tax would place a cap on possible total SP.

Either way it breaks something.


Mostly it breaks the "Death is obsolete" moto of CCP.

DUST mercs are not afraid to die to get the job done. A SP tax would make a merc hesitate to go into a risky situation and fundamentaly alter gameplay, turning it bland as everyone plays it safe.

DUST isn't about playing it safe, it's about getting the job done.

If anything there should be a maximum on the number of fitting on either team which carry a sniper rifle. Make it a percentage of the amount of people in the team. For example 25%. if there are 4 people in a team only one suit can be deployed with a sniper rifle. If there are 12 people in a team only 3 people can have a sniper rifle. If there are the full 16 then it would be 4 people.

Have a sniper queue sort of thing on the spawn screen that shows how many snipers are deployed. Like it might say 2/4, or 4/4. If its 4/4 (max rifles out) and someone trys to spawn with a sniper rifle give them a message that says max snipers or something and ask them if they want to be added to the queue. If they say yes they will be added to a queue and when someone who was a sniper spawns as something that is not a sniper their spot opens and anyone who is in the queue can spawn as a sniper the next time they reach the spawn screen.

To make it so noobs don't camp out with the rifles you can implement checks. Like if the player does not move out of a 3 meter radius of the last point they stopped moving, and has not fired a shot in 2 minutes (player is sitting somewhere hasn't moved or fired in 2 minutes), or if the player has missed 8 shots in a row (player sucks bad at sniping and is wasting a slot) you could open up their spot to the people in the queue as soon as they die.

For example there are 4 snipers out of 4 and I am one of them, except I suck or I'm just chilling on a mountain while I eat dinner or something. Bob tries to spawn as a sniper and enters the queue. He would be the imaginary 5 out of 4. 5/4. Joe then tries to spawn as a sniper and also enters the queue... he would be the "6 out of 4". Meanwhile I am eating pancakes for dinner a top a mountain and I haven't moved or tried to shoot anyone for fear of getting syrup on my controller. 2 minutes passes by and the server sets a flag which will prevent me from spawning as a sniper until the queue is empty... I eventually get shot in the head by a sniper on the other team and die.

Bob who entered into the queue first is happily racing around running over enemy soldiers, and has totally forgot that he entered the queue for a sniper. Joe just got fragged trying to take over an objective and whilst viewing the spawn screen notices a notification telling him that there is a sniper spot open for anyone in the queue. Joe may have entered the queue after Bob, but because Bob is busy Joe can go ahead and take that spot.

However, after I died I tried to spawn as a sniper right away, it wouldn't let me and instead put me in the queue (before Joe left the queue) making me after Joe in the queue. After Joe took my spot as sniper I ran around a bit and eventually got fragged, I enter the spawn screen and notice that someone has left their spot as sniper, so there is now a spot open that I can re-enter.

If neither Joe or Bob or anyone else where to take my spot as sniper (I can not take it directly back I have to wait for another spot to open) that spot could be left open forever... so the game lets me take my spot back after 2 minutes of it being open.

This kind of system would be great... but I am sure many would hate it and blah blah blah... just an idea.

It's an idea that I've been kicking around in my head for awhile, and I just wanted to get the community's thoughts on it. See whether or not I'm just spinning my wheels.

The idea is simple: Every time you die, you lose a little SP

Right now I'm thinking 0.01% of your total SP accumulated. That works out to be 100 SP lost for every 1 million SP that a player has earned already. This wouldn't come from the SP gained per match, but would instead be deducted from your SP total.

This, I think, would make it possible for new players to "catch up" with Vet players, and give a reason for "bad players" (players who don't work with their teams, or who go all kamikaze and charge into overwhelming odds) to up their game.

This would also make it possible for assassination/bounty hunting against palyers actually mean something besides friendly (or maybe not so friendly) harassment.

IDK, like I said it's just an idea I've been thinking about, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Anyway, that's my idea. Condone, or Condemn, as you see fit.

WHAT ABOUT TEAMWORK!?! Adding a penalty for death will punish people who play as a team, doing what needs to be done even if it costs them a life.

I don't know if this has been discussed, but it seems like the only people this would really effect are those who aren't very good and die a lot. The problem is that we shouldn't be penalizing those people, as it'll just make it more difficult for them to compete and it'll only discourage new players into the game.

Overall, I'm against the idea, it's just unnecessary.

I see some problems here, first everyone is crazy about SP and so they WILL change their playstyle. In fact there is already a good amount of players changing their behaviour because of the SP system we have right now. And you have to consider what happens if you have just upgraded an expensive skill and have no SP left and now you suddenly loose SP what happens to your Skills do you lose a level? If so that could also mean that your fittings become invalid.

Apart from this the loss of ISK don't bothers a lot of people because you can easily farm ISK with BPO's or really cheap stuff to make up for the losses.