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Sara Crystal
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:48:00 -
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I realize EVE Online caters to the griefer crowd, the paranoid scheming and infighting crowd, the "internet spaceships are serious business" crowd that sees themselves as Loki-esque trickster gods. When what they really do is choose the easiest targets available and press their biggest, most obvious buttons, in a game that uses its lore and its atmosphere to lure in the suckers for them without their even having to do any work.
I realize FPSes cater to the douchebag crowd, the "cry moar" crowd, the "your tears are delicious to me" crowd that sees themselves as professional e-sports athletes. When what they actually do is find games that let them grief their competition mercilessly while they're still newbs, so that they never have to face them at full power and have their precious e-peen shrunk down.
I realize the likely response to this all is HTFU, which I've learned is EVEspeak for "I can't be arsed to inconvenience myself."
And I realize that griefing and playing for dominance are seen not as extraneous, but as a vital part of the game most people here signed up for.
But I personally don't enjoy being spawn-camped. I don't enjoy spawning next to players from the opposing team and instantly dying to them. I don't enjoy being sniped out of nowhere. I don't enjoy running around trying to figure out what's going on and running into a vastly superior force. I don't enjoy spending 90 percent of a Skirmish mission trying to claw my team's way back from the grave and dying a million times. I don't enjoy losing to a team that seems to have bought its way to victory, and having to figure out how to spend my fake moneys. And I especially don't enjoy being humped by the guy whose armour I just repaired, or cringing the whole time I'm on the war barge and hoping some guy doesn't invade my personal space.
Improving my skills would fix some, but not all, of the above problems, for a value of "fix" which means "shoddy hack that should not have had to be implemented." Most of them I see as the consequences of extremely poor game design. I have more fun playing a generic-brand Modern Warfare I picked up for $0.99 than DUST 514 most days, even though I like the atmosphere and the lore of DUST better.
I'm trying to play a fun, heavily thematic first person shooter which is one of the few that will let me play a female character. And I'm getting a steaming pile of crap where the FPS part's only part of the game, and the rest of it is getting bullied and ganked in between reading a spreadsheet.
I'd already figured out that the only two kinds of EVE players are sadists and suckers. I think that applies to this game as well, I think that's intentional, and I think the design reinforces that. I'm not enjoying the time that I spend in-game, and I'm not going to recommend it to friends.
But hey, I got the voucher for it in my new PS3 box, and I sound obviously hurt and upset. So I guess both the developers and the players are happy with that. Glad I could make your lives better. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:02:00 -
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Add me as a contact in game or send me a message and we'll get you in a squad and help you get in to the game. I'm doing my best to help as many new players as I can as this game has a steep learning curve but I like it and I want it to succeed. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:05:00 -
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Ah, that was really, really sweet. QQ none the less but sweet.
In general DUST players don't grief. Friendly Fire is currently disabled. When FF is enabled the grief will become a constant stream of Kitten Squeezings dropping down on NewB and Blues instead of Reds.
The EVE/DUST player has a different focus than the DUST only player I have noticed. They have a long view and the destruction of ISK is very important to them. Kills mean the Suit and its associated ISK has been lost as well. They see that as a good thing.
DUST players from FPS games see the game's focus from a significantly different viewpoint. KD/R is all important but mostly meaningless in DUST as War Points, winning and ISK are much more important (for me).
Now, I come form hardcore RPG games. I can play two characters that would hate each other and kill on sight if they could be run at the same time. My DUST characters belong to the same Corp and have similar goals. Not identical but similar.
TL;DR None of that matters, QQ Boi. The Spawn Kills you speak of are Ambush Spawn Problems we down in the DUST have been screaming about for a long, long time. Oddly enough, NewB From From On High it is actually much better than it is was. Now that is something to contemplate.
Play Skirmish. Ambush is just Death Match. Not much challenge and most of us know you can get spawn killed easily. Not all the time but enough to make it a Pain In The Butt. |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
47
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:05:00 -
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The only time your in the wrong game is when your not enjoying it. Are you enjoying the game so far? |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:53:00 -
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I would also like to offer myself up as a contact. I'm more interested in playing with people for fun, than spawn camping or "gaming" the game.
There is a pretty steep learning curve with Dust, and you could probably benefit from having some guidance from more experienced players. Look through your team on the warbarge, prior to the skirmish, and try to join a squad that has an open spot. Hopefully you'll get some good people. That's how I found my Corp. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:21:00 -
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Tribalfreak Baham
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.12 14:01:00 -
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I think what you need is a good player corp. The simple fact is, random battles are not really team matches. it's more "a bunch of players scrambling around thinking more about themselves" matches. Sometimes you may run into a group of players that actually function as a team. when it's like that, you could see where the game shines. Like this one time a heavy was running around mowing everyone down. I was like: "hmmm i think i'll stick with this guy." then we soon found ourselves with 2 logi backing us that made it damn near impossible for the unorganized team to take us out. Frist and only time i got a decent K/D ratio (23k/3d) which, by MY level is freaking good.
As for issues like sniping, you have to live with it in some maps. In ambush, what you can do is quickly place a drop uplink somewhere on the map you know no one spawns and use that. I'm sure they'll fix that issue sooner or later. Opposing team bought it's way to victory? Can you explain that a bit more? In my opinion, if my win loses, it's more of a failure of my own "team" more than anything. Because there is nothing more fail than when one or two players rush head long into the fray knowing full well they are heavily outnumbered in that area.
P.S you done gone hurt my feelins :( I use to play eve but i was never a sadist or a sucker:((( imma gonna go cry in a corner now:(((((( |
RoundEy3
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:48:00 -
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Playing the wrong game for sure. Any game is the wrong game with so much over thinking. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:57:00 -
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Personally, what your talking about is what motivates me to do better. Getting in a game and being steam rolled means I got work to do. Getting my skills up, learning what works for me as far as dropsuit fittings. Like they been saying, this is a thinking man/woman's game, if your not willing to put the thought into a strategy, building a good defense as well as offense, then your right, this is not the right game for you. This is why Modern Warfare is much more appealing to you. You also need a good squad to run battles with. Mics are so important. Communication is the key. I am not a bad player, but by myself I find myself getting steam rolled often. Go in the local and ask to squad up. Also put individual who violate your space on blast. Shout there name out, as well as report them. I am sure CCP is not going to that that lightly. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:19:00 -
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A lot of this is due more to the beta's currently underbaked mechanics than malice on the part of your fellow players. Once the ambush spawns and endless pubstomping are fixed, things should be less unpleasant for newer and/or more casual players.
As far as bad warbarge behavior, I'm sure this is scant consolation, but the people who like getting up in your face or trying to box you in will do that to everyone and anyone. (Not that it makes instantly zeroing in on the only female clone any less unfair.) My advice (beyond squadding up with a non-douchey corp) would be to just ignore the barge altogether. There is not actually a reason to wander around, since everything is available in your neocom. Just flip it on and go about your pre-fight business, ignoring any merc shenanigans around you. (Unless you see me trying to instigate a synchronized moonwalk.) |
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE SPADES
3
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:38:00 -
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There are lots of people who simply play to have fun. It'll be more fun when we all dont have to waist our ISK in death match when they finally give us the rogue drone game modes. I like pve because it's social fun. pvp is all business. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:01:00 -
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Lots of nice guys offering you help here. I would take them up on it. Best of Luck
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
384
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:24:00 -
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Sara Crystal wrote:I realize EVE Online caters to the griefer crowd, the paranoid scheming and infighting crowd, the "internet spaceships are serious business" crowd that sees themselves as Loki-esque trickster gods. When what they really do is choose the easiest targets available and press their biggest, most obvious buttons, in a game that uses its lore and its atmosphere to lure in the suckers for them without their even having to do any work.
I realize FPSes cater to the douchebag crowd, the "cry moar" crowd, the "your tears are delicious to me" crowd that sees themselves as professional e-sports athletes. When what they actually do is find games that let them grief their competition mercilessly while they're still newbs, so that they never have to face them at full power and have their precious e-peen shrunk down.
I realize the likely response to this all is HTFU, which I've learned is EVEspeak for "I can't be arsed to inconvenience myself."
And I realize that griefing and playing for dominance are seen not as extraneous, but as a vital part of the game most people here signed up for.
But I personally don't enjoy being spawn-camped. I don't enjoy spawning next to players from the opposing team and instantly dying to them. I don't enjoy being sniped out of nowhere. I don't enjoy running around trying to figure out what's going on and running into a vastly superior force. I don't enjoy spending 90 percent of a Skirmish mission trying to claw my team's way back from the grave and dying a million times. I don't enjoy losing to a team that seems to have bought its way to victory, and having to figure out how to spend my fake moneys. And I especially don't enjoy being humped by the guy whose armour I just repaired, or cringing the whole time I'm on the war barge and hoping some guy doesn't invade my personal space.
Improving my skills would fix some, but not all, of the above problems, for a value of "fix" which means "shoddy hack that should not have had to be implemented." Most of them I see as the consequences of extremely poor game design. I have more fun playing a generic-brand Modern Warfare I picked up for $0.99 than DUST 514 most days, even though I like the atmosphere and the lore of DUST better.
I'm trying to play a fun, heavily thematic first person shooter which is one of the few that will let me play a female character. And I'm getting a steaming pile of crap where the FPS part's only part of the game, and the rest of it is getting bullied and ganked in between reading a spreadsheet.
I'd already figured out that the only two kinds of EVE players are sadists and suckers. I think that applies to this game as well, I think that's intentional, and I think the design reinforces that. I'm not enjoying the time that I spend in-game, and I'm not going to recommend it to friends.
But hey, I got the voucher for it in my new PS3 box, and I sound obviously hurt and upset. So I guess both the developers and the players are happy with that. Glad I could make your lives better. To your first couple of paragraphs all i can say is that you have a very cynical view towards most games and Dust/eve in particular and i can't say that i blame you for it when you consider the amount of jerks and douche's you tend to find in games, but as you can see in this thread you will also find good people willing to help.
As others have said ambush has major spawning problems, I personally recommend you play skirmish, much more fun and less issues. You complain about problems with the game but please remember the game is in beta, its our job as players to identify the problems and tell ccp about them so they can do something about it, just to watch something else go wildly wrong and have a whole new set of problems, but that's part of what a beta is.
And if you really want to have fun join a corp, find a group of people to hang out with, and to screw around with, the game becomes so much more enjoyable. There are loads of corps out there, chances are you'll bounce around a few but you will find one that's a great place to be.
As free beers said when people offer you help you should take it, it might improve things for you |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.02.13 03:05:00 -
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Wouldn't say either game is all trolls and griefers. While EVE itself is more open it has about the same amount as any game really. Every MMO has it's trolls and griefers, the only difference on most other games is that they are limited in what they can manage to get away with. Griefing and trolling on Dust however is a bit harder to do. And there are things called petitions that you can send up if someone takes things into a completely wrong direction or you feel it's needed. |
DropKickSuicide
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:51:00 -
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Feel free to add me to contacts aswell, Iv already got some real friends il be helping out I dont mind to throw some more in there with em. |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
79
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:23:00 -
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as other people have said a good corp will solve a bunch of your problemslinky to my corp thread . also as other people have said ignore the barge you don't ever need to move in the barge I ignore it most of the time unless there is a corp mate of mine in there with me who insists he is in a spot he can't be boxed in at and try to box him in.
I'd love to show you around the game as I'm sure several others in here would aswell. if you don't want to join my corp look around in the corperation section of the forums and find some dudes who seem cool and roll with them makes the game a lot more fun when you have the squad.
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Eris Ernaga
Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety
26
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Posted - 2013.02.13 05:59:00 -
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haha i related with almost all of this accept for the fact that you sounded like you were going to quit this is because i mainly come up number 1 on the score boards and could easily stay in the top 1000 list if i was more dedicated.
I agree I don't like being spawn killed by a 1000 people either or being sniped from the complete no where and not being able to find the sniper nor do i like the glitches. But I do like dust and I do like EVE and while I admit this game is no fun and all work i will continue to play it. Its odd though I find my EVE friends and Dust players to always be spitting how bad my fits are and how to improve improve improve i think they forgot that they are suppose to be enjoying the game and that this is a game not a serious real life galactic empire as I think most are convinced.
But the problem is every time you die you are reminded this suit cost so you have to make the money for this suit and if you want to go in with a standard suit you wont be as good as most on the battlefield it makes the game over competitive and gives you less relaxation in game its actually quite tense and stressful. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Smash Bros Friends United Seeking Influence and Notoriety
26
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Posted - 2013.02.13 06:02:00 -
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About the trolls in EVE i completely agree I literally had a player over a year in game time trying to track me down on my trial account. She even tried to find me after I had quit the corporation she war decced running into my mission room. Dust players seem to be more verbablly annoying simply expressing my opinion shouldn't get a troll reply like the one I got today.
EVE can go as far as being set up, to cussed out, to threatened, to kicked. its really sad what people will do and assume |
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