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Galen Gaia DUST University Ivy League 13	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:22:00 - [1] - Quote I am using increasingly expensive gear, but the pay is not increasing proportionally. Ir is always about 200,000 ISK. Do corp battles pay more? Added later: I should have said I am logistics. I get more expensive dropsuits so I can carry more equipment to help the team win such as ammo/repair nanohives, repair modules, and drop uplinks. This helps the team win, but the dropsuit and gear costs twice as much and I do not get paid twice as much.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:24:00 - [2] - Quote Want more cash? run more expensive gear. the more expensive gear players run, and lose. The bigger the payout at the end of the match.
GetShotUp UnReaL. 85	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:28:00 - [3] - Quote I use a default class with the Gek-38 equipped to it when I need isk. All you'll be doing is paying for the gun. It's worth it.
Nelo Angel0 UnReaL. 18	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:31:00 - [4] - Quote GetShotUp wrote: I use a default class with the Gek-38 equipped to it when I need isk. All you'll be doing is paying for the gun. It's worth it. same thing with my fatboy i don't run my type2 with the MH82 unless i really have to use it. It's way to damn expensive to day anymore then 3 times in any game when your a heavy. Nowadays i have a MLT logibro setup so i'm still making 200k ut its nowhere near as expensive everytime i die so i have 1.8mill isk banked for my fatboy in case of repeated deaths
Irish Syn Chernova Industries 123	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:32:00 - [5] - Quote People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:35:00 - [6] - Quote Galen Gaia wrote: I am using increasingly expensive gear, but the pay is not increasing proportionally. Ir is always about 200,000 ISK. Do corp battles pay more? You can't be serious? Corp battles pay nothing. The payouts are more than generous atm. If you can't afford ur gear u are dying too much. Use cheaper fits if u are living beyond the means of ur skill lvl. I'm not trolling u...this is seriously the truth.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1037	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:36:00 - [7] - Quote only use what you can afford to lose. pay outs are more then fair at the moment. I would rather let ccp do the stats and tweak things. CCP Nothin handles the economy for dust and is more then on top of things. /thread
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:38:00 - [8] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Want more cash? run more expensive gear. the more expensive gear players run, and lose. The bigger the payout at the end of the match. Too bad theres no incentive to play in better gear, thanks to all the QQ we get flattened and nerfed gear so why use expensive gear if you don't have too right? You get what you ask for.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:42:00 - [9] - Quote I believe in the "more risk = more reward" claims Today, I used a dropship, and went 0-0 with 0 WP. Made 150,000 ISK of pure profit.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:42:00 - [10] - Quote Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR.

KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:47:00 - [11] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:48:00 - [12] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear If everyone ran Porto gear, and only died a couple times each, the payout would probably hit 500k.
Nelo Angel0 UnReaL. 18	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:51:00 - [13] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear have you seen the cost for heavies? dying twice basically nulls 200k isk pretty quickly if a heavy has 1 AVD and one STD dying twice costs more than 200k isk IIRC
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:52:00 - [14] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear If everyone ran Porto gear, and only died a couple times each, the payout would probably hit 500k. remember the Asia Game Show matches!!
Irish Syn Chernova Industries 123	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:53:00 - [15] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. I'm not too scared to run expensive gear, but I know everyone else is running militia gear so why bother? I usually spawn in as my expensive suit to start things out, than notice on the kill log everyone is using militia in which case I find a supply depot and switch, I want gain extra cash if I'm the only one. KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear 200K is more than enough to cover most fittings. But why when you'll get the same for running militia (assuming everyone else is as well, as mentioned above).
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 145	Posted - 2013.02.11 02:57:00 - [16] - Quote Galen Gaia wrote: I am using increasingly expensive gear, but the pay is not increasing proportionally. Ir is always about 200,000 ISK. Do corp battles pay more? Do better. The more wp you get the more isk you get usually when I finish in first place I get anywhere from 300k to 400k isk way more than enough to pay for my gear and have a nice profit.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:01:00 - [17] - Quote Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. we ran a 20million isk corp battle not two weeks ago my friend. Keep in mind that the price for a corp battle is decided on between the two corps, its not set at any number.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:01:00 - [18] - Quote Irish Syn wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Irish Syn wrote: People will say if you are using expensive gear that should you are running the risk of losing it in favor or doing better and getting paid more or something like that. Right now it's not true at all, if you do a public match from start to finish you will get somewhere in the ball park of 200,000 ISK regardless of how good you did. If you do really good you may get around 300,000 but if you die once or twice it doesn't matter. Not worth the risk at all. And corporation matches are all a waste of ISK for bragging rights. I see people run protosuits fully geared up, costing at least 100,000 ISK a pop. The most pay out you get is 900,000 ISK, so collectively die 9 times and there is no profit to be gained, if the corp was in it for the ISK they'd just have their 8 guys go militia gear in public matches and get 8 x 200,000 ISK = 1,600,000 ISK in the same amount of time. It is assumed CCP will have better ways to get ISK later on. Going into a pub match, and having everyone run gear that is above Militia/ standard gear will give a much higher pay out at the end of a match. The reason why payouts are staying in the bare minimum of 200k is because no one will run anything above militia gear, or standard gear. You're all screwing your selves over from gaining massive pay outs of 600k- 1 million + BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO SCARED TO LOSE THE MORE ADVANCED GEAR. I'm not too scared to run expensive gear, but I know everyone else is running militia gear so why bother? I usually spawn in as my expensive suit to start things out, than notice on the kill log everyone is using militia in which case I find a supply depot and switch, I want gain extra cash if I'm the only one. KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: 200k is more than enough to cover the cost of gear though. If a player is losing more than 200k worth of fittings, they are dying A LOT. Poor gameplay imo...regardless of the gear 200K is more than enough to cover most fittings. But why when you'll get the same for running militia (assuming everyone else is as well, as mentioned above). Why run militia gear with millions of isk saved up from the rediculously easy matches lately?
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:06:00 - [19] - Quote Bling gear is to pad your KD ratio and just experiment and have fun. You make a surplus playing all milltia gear for a while.... byond SP what will you spend it on. They could tweek rewards a bit, linked to what you kill, and not be nearly flat-lined but beyond that, each person uses what they want to. Don't play with what you can't lose.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:11:00 - [20] - Quote I've always thought that META level determines the payout. If your team kill a lot of high META levels, the distribution pay will be higher. If you run around with proto gears killing militia gears, the jokes is on you.

Irish Syn Chernova Industries 123	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:11:00 - [21] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Why run militia gear with millions of isk saved up from the rediculously easy matches lately? I don't, I use my expensive gear, never saved up more than 5 million before using most of it. Just saying for those whose goal is to save up ISK there is no reason.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:17:00 - [22] - Quote Prototype gear was not meant to be sustainable fielding for extensive periods of conflict. Advanced Gear is probably the highest you can regularly maintain and continue to earn profit in.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:34:00 - [23] - Quote die less.
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:47:00 - [24] - Quote Do what some "good" players do, live by these guidelines. 1. See more than one guy run away. 2. See one guy make sure you have lots of cover and superior advantage in position before you shoot at him. 3. If enemy is running at your position and your aim hasn't killed him by time he gets mid range to you than run. 4. Only advanced when you have at least one teammate ahead of you so that you can use him as bait and shoot from long range. IF teammate dies reread rule 1 2 and 3 and use the rule that applies to the situation. 5. If enemy is taking objective letter and you're scared there might be more don't take any chances, RUN! 6. Practice your blame the rest of the team speech when you are the only person on your team that had a "good" game and nice KDR. EDIT- I forgot one more key rule! It should be a automated action but just to be on the safe side for those who need help. 7. If you get shot no matter what gun it is no matter what! If you get shot once, RUN! Follow these rules and you too can be "good" (These rules may not work against GOOD players)
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.02.11 03:47:00 - [25] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: have you seen the cost for heavies? dying [...] I stopped reading right there. Love to see heavies dying.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:00:00 - [26] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Galen Gaia wrote: I am using increasingly expensive gear, but the pay is not increasing proportionally. Ir is always about 200,000 ISK. Do corp battles pay more? You can't be serious? Corp battles pay nothing. The payouts are more than generous atm. If you can't afford ur gear u are dying too much. Use cheaper fits if u are living beyond the means of ur skill lvl. I'm not trolling u...this is seriously the truth. this isn't true at all, the payouts seem pretty static no matter how good or bad you do, the average is between 200k and 300k you can easily die 5 times in a match if you are in the thick of it, so if your suit is like 40k isk you are lucky to make profit, let alone dieing more than that which can easily happy, or use a vehicle. I think it will be better in the future but as it stands using things like vehicles or expensive suits the big reason this is a problem is it creates a sense of " well we are screwed, might as well only use start fits" when you are in a losing battle. it also creates a divide between the has, and has not's and the group vs. solo's. I know eve players are against all 3 principles but in a shooter it doesn't work well, let alone a game like this. CCP needs to put the individual player's interest first in this case, or this game will end up being a few corps that always fight each other. First thing they need is playlist for solo players and groups, solo players can join the group games but groups can't join the solo variants. next they need to give more isk for how good you do, more should be given for certain actions, or it should be based on how much isk damage you dealt or repaired, healing someone in a heavy suit should give you a good amount of isk vs killing someone in milita gear. hacked points should deal damage and grant isk by a team, maybe even down to the squad level effort, (players in 1 man squads it diverts to team based). also, possibly a complete revamp of the salvage system, currently you are lucky to get 1 thing, most i've gotten was 3, when the market comes I suspect loot from battles will be a great money maker meaning more expensive stuff for all (and thus better loot maybe?) the more isk in damage done the better the loot should be, I think not only should the standard random loot from the master loot table be distributed but something like 30% of all stuff lost be given out 20% to the winners 10% to losers.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:08:00 - [27] - Quote If you are running militia suits to stay profitable I feel sorry for you, not only are you bad but you will stay bad because you are honing your instincts with inferior gear, being timid and expecting to fail will become deeply engrained and you probably won't even realize it.
Irish Syn Chernova Industries 123	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:16:00 - [28] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: If you are running militia suits to stay profitable I feel sorry for you, not only are you bad but you will stay bad because you are honing your instincts with inferior gear, being timid and expecting to fail will become deeply engrained and you probably won't even realize it. Actually it's quite the opposite. Using militia gear will get you out of any of the bad habits that you might be able to get away with using better gear. If you can learn to be good with militia gear, you do a lot better when you switch to advanced and prototype gear.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:19:00 - [29] - Quote Gosh people still complain about that? I can still remember the days where you get like 70.000 ISK per match. You can be happy to get 200.000ISK per ambush match.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:29:00 - [30] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: I've always thought that META level determines the payout. If your team kill a lot of high META levels, the distribution pay will be higher. If you run around with proto gears killing militia gears, the jokes is on you. Regardless of who or how much I kill I am flatlined near 200k, I get more if I do good, less if I don't. It fluctuates at most 50k So it is hardly based what you kill, or WP most of it is just being around. Truthfully half or a quarter or half off anything distroyed should go to the winning team, and distributed by WP's, either the item, or isk. Current system of course is 200k isk regardless with tiny deviations.



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