Players who start in 2014 will permanently be a full year behind players who startedyup during the beta in terms of SP with no chance of ever catching up, forever to be inferior to the vets. Is this fair?

Yet you ask to remove the skill cap?

Also even with lower skills if they are brought into a team they can still do very well against the higher lvl people. Also by that time the balancing of the game should be a lot better then it is now. Before you start complaining what might happen, think about the large changes that will be happening.

I will repeat myself, teamwork and strategy can over come most advantages of an individually stronger team. So if you are worried about learn the game and when new people join guide them and help them so they become better parts of the EVE and Dust Universe.

No. Your premise is flawed. Removal of the skill cap will just make players who SPfarm now that much further ahead later, but you knew that.

Yet two teams with skill and teamwork are equal until one has prototype gear and the other has militia. No skill cap would only benefit no lifers. Those of us with jobs and families who we spend time with will be perpetually left behind.

They will get proto before you that's how it goes..your arguement is invalid your just trying to make it harder for people who actually like to play this game on their free time...but either way those "no lifers" will have proto long before you but it will be harder for you to catch up because of the sp cap soo not my problem, good luck you will need it

They will get proto before you that's how it goes..your arguement is invalid your just trying to make it harder for people who actually like to play this game on their free time...but either way those "no lifers" will have proto long before you but it will be harder for you to catch up because of the sp cap soo not my problem, good luck you will need it

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Do you realize how stupid your idea is? If CCP was to remove the cap the game would be unbearable for new players. Of course you wouldn't care since your with Imperfects. This is why we have a SP cap, or people like you would tank on others players. We have the SP cap for a reason, so people can all have an equal chance at catching up with the big league players. If you haven't realized how this would effect the community in Dust yet, well here's your "Special Stupid" sign.

The solution is to reduce the skillbook bonuses. 25% extra damage...25%+ extra health...these numbers are ridiculous. On top of the equipment bonuses newbies can't even touch you.

This is bad for both the new players and the vets. There's no way newbies are going to put up with players running around a 50% health+damage advantage repeatedly destroying them and the vets will have zero challenge in public lobbies due to how easy picking on the newbies will be due to the artificial skill gap and the game will quickly become boring and not worth playing.

I already see it now. The pub stomping is getting worse and worse everyday. I'm nearing the point where I can effortlessly kill new HMG users in a CQC 1 on 1 with my eyes closed. Everyone else is absolutely helpless, even when I'm outnumbered.

Games are not fun when you're not presented with a challenge.

The SP cap does not help with this at all. The reasoning behind implementing it was completely flawed. We're already seeing the skill gap and it's going to get bigger and bigger as the game progresses. The only thing the SP cap does is make it impossible for newbies to catch up...

Get rid of it. Work on reducing the artificial skill gap.

You think the skill cap is keeping the game bearable for new players? You think it gives people a chance to catch up with the big league players?

Seriously though, it doesn't.

Give me a LEGITIMATE reason why it wouldn't help. If we didn't have a SP cap it would be a lot worse for new players. Eventually Dust would lose players due to everyone in max gear. Not to mention squads of cocky corps like you guys running their mouths about how to benefit themselves.

Well first you should know you can buy all the important skills that effect your survivability and offensive capabilities with like 3-4 mill SP. At that point you can be pretty competitive with the vets and after that point you can really only just expand the amount of roles and equipment you can choose from, which doesn't really contribute to the skill gap too much.

Imagine it's 6 months in the future and the SP system was never changed. We'll say an assault player can be reasonably competitive after about 3 mill SP. A new player is interested in playing this game and starts grinding SP. If he maxes out his SP everyday it will take him 2 months of hell to reach this level. It's more than likely he lose interest in this game before that.

Without the skill cap, he could no life for a couple weeks and already be at that competitive level. He wouldn't have to spend so long getting crapped on by vets. He would also have more incentive to play as the game wouldn't stop rewarding him after less than 2 hours of playtime.

And anyways we should be avoiding the whole "getting crapped on by vets" part altogether by reducing the artificial skill gap.

Pure fail.

Ok. So what about everyone else thats close to maxing out skills. CCP said it would take seven years, with boosters, to reach a max character. By doing this you are shorting that immensely. It takes away all challenge away, and we will be back at the starting point. Vets will still crap on new players. After so much people will quit and the Dust community will shrink.

So the person who posted this says that playing for a year longer than someone will give you an advantage. And yes it will. But this game is based off EVE and that's how EVE is so that's how Dust will be. Keep the Skill Cap or just make it so its not a weekly cap but a cap at a certain amount of SP. That way everyone can catch up to each other and stop all at the same point.

Example: Highest player we will say has 4 mill SP right now. The cap for this week is 4.2mill SP. So a player at 3mill can grind all week and get a normal level of SP and catch up to the guy already at 4 mill. The guy at 4 mill can grind his 200k sp and that'll be his cap until next week.

CCP needs to quit balancing this game for the PVE players that are terrible at PVP anyways. SP for new players should be uncapped. Currently most veteran players have somewhere between 3-3.5 million SP. Players that just start should be able to grind up to anywhere between 1.5-1.7 million before they begin to get capped out.

I've noticed when someone proposes an idea that isn't exactly what y'all want you ignore it. Why don't you get off your one track mind and actually be constructive for once. As I said i like your want to help fix the SP game but so far all I see is you wanting more SP and for the ones why grind away constantly at this game. Think about other before yourself.

I'm fine with removal of the skill cap if you have a plan to help back up the casual gamers. If having no life for a few weeks is you answer on how to help the new players by removing the skill cap, it becomes very clear you didn't think this out. That only helps hard core gamers.

What other balancing are you going to do with the removal of the sp cap?

I've noticed when someone proposes an idea that isn't exactly what y'all want you ignore it. Why don't you get off your one track mind and actually be constructive for once. As I said i like your want to help fix the SP game but so far all I see is you wanting more SP and for the ones why grind away constantly at this game. Think about other before yourself.

I'm fine with removal of the skill cap if you have a plan to help back up the casual gamers. If having no life for a few weeks is you answer on how to help the new players by removing the skill cap, it becomes very clear you didn't think this out. That only helps hard core gamers.

What other balancing are you going to do with the removal of the sp cap?

That's how pretty much every online shooter ever created works and there's no reason for Dust to be any different.

If you haven't noticed i have agreed with you that the issue needs to addressed but besides removing the skill cap you haven't suggested anything else. I'm asking you for more ideas other then just removing the skill cap.

I'm not saying you want more SP but removal of the cap doesn't help the new people any. I also agreed removal of the sp till a certain sp point is also a good idea but it needs tweaking.

I'm not fighting to keep the sp cap, I'm trying to get the game balanced in the future like you are but nothing outside of grind sp for a bit with no cap is the only thing y'all have said.

List of ideas:

No sp cap for new players till X sp total

Limit matches but forcing skills down to lower levels

Limit meta level of gear used in a match

I want other ideas and tweaks, other views and possibilities on how it could work. We all want this game to work out so get off reading only want to see and start thinking of other ways. i didn't think of the no limit till X sp level but it's still a step in possibly the right direction.

I will agree with your argument, except for the fact, that i don't think SP caps makes a huge difference. I killed the other day a guy with one of that shiny "Prototype" dropsuits, with my tier 1 Burst riffle, very easily. Yes i was aiming to the head, Yes he didn't hit me ones with his gun, and Yes he didn't try to avoid my bullets.

But the point is, that SP doesn't replace your skills in a shooter game ;

- Your aim
- Accuracy
- Tactical awareness
- Reflexes

Is just an AID to help you maximize your already existing skills.

As a player with both lots of SP and lots of FPS skill I assure you that SP does way more than just "help maximize" your already existing skill. If I were to face a new player who's on my skill level, I would be guaranteed to win that gunfight in almost every situation where I'm not outnumbered. The equipment/skillbook advantage I have is too great and he can't do anything about it.

Players who start in 2014 will permanently be a full year behind players who started during the beta in terms of SP with no chance of ever catching up, forever to be inferior to the vets. Is this fair?

Players who start in 2014 will permanently be a full year behind players who started during the beta in terms of SP with no chance of ever catching up, forever to be inferior to the vets. Is this fair?

So when I get laser rifle operation V, which I have and then proficiency V 2 weeks before you, when you catch up and have the same I'm going to have some magical level V skill in laser rifle you won't? Or will we be on equal grounds?

When I get caldari assault suit V then weeks later you get it I'll have magical assault suit skill V already?

Will I still die now and then to people with less skill then me? Yes.

Will my KDR be any different? Probably not.

Stop the QQ kid.

So when I get laser rifle operation V, which I have and then proficiency V 2 weeks before you, when you catch up and have the same I'm going to have some magical level V skill in laser rifle you won't? Or will we be on equal grounds?

When I get caldari assault suit V then weeks later you get it I'll have magical assault suit skill V already?

Will I still die now and then to people with less skill then me? Yes.

Will my KDR be any different? Probably not.

Stop the QQ kid.

I'm almost 98% sure that I've got 10 years on you. There isn't any QQ here. I play EVE and have for more than a few years, and I understand how the skill system there works, and how Dust should work in the sense that it follows EVE.

I also understand that some guy claiming to be thinking about people in years to come not being able to catch up, while asking for unlimited SP at all times, is really just in it for himself and couldn't care less about some player down the road.

Most likely, that individual also understands that players like him will accelerate well beyond other players who started at the same time as him, and that--no matter the skill cap--any player starting later will be so far behind that any amount of play will never allow them to catch up.

If I have 32 million SP after about a year, (feasible), and someone who starts then can earn 6K every ten minutes for s long as they play, while I myself earn 15K per match as long as I play, (lets assume regularly), how long will it take that new person to catch up?

No specific skill has anything to do with it. Also, I primarily run around in quasi militia gear, rather than proto stuff, and don't have more than level 1 in any dropsuit skill or 2 in any weapon skill. I imagine you are well ahead of me already, with the ~2m SP I currently have.

I'm old enough to understand as well that patience and the aggregation of skills over time is more rewarding than the instant gratification of "gimme now," which you are all spouting.

..and that's coming from someone who was respectfully referred to as the equivalent of a Journeyman Construction Electrician after only 3 month of apprenticeship in the trade. Transferable skills mostly, but I picked it up fast. I've thought about writing my CQ, but I think I'd rather complete my Apprenticeship as I believe it would be more valuable to me. I do likely have enough transferable hours as a Security installer to go the other route though, provided they allow it.

Players who start in 2014 will permanently be a full year behind players who started during the beta in terms of SP with no chance of ever catching up, forever to be inferior to the vets. Is this fair?

Good way to fix this is for CCP to add more SP as a start, so instead of 500,000SP they start with 1,000,000SP

If they do that, then the new players will be able to get to (gun of choice) Ops V from the getgo.

Plus, even if someone has several years on someone else, there is always PERSONAL skill, and there is also the simple fact that only X number of skills can effect a specialty at all. You may have a 'year' advantage on that player, but after the first twom months you just stopped spending SP on your specialty. There just weren't any more skills for it. So the new player can tie up your fighting skills within a short window of time. Playing for a long time doesn't make you BETTER, it makes you MORE VERSATILE. For example: Goonswarm made a bunch of trial accounts to help win some war or other. Each one had 21 days at most to get skills, and they were still strong enough to beat the ever-loving ***** out of their opponents.

Hint my post above.

Finally someone gets it! Yay.

One game is a MMORPG and the other is a FPS. When you treat players in a FPS the same way you would treat spaceships in a RPG, things will go wrong.

10 years eve vet,

Member of AQUILA INC. Verge of collapse,

Former ceo of a Corp in mildly intoxicated.

After a few months a newb is fine in a drake.

And to that effect, people eventually max out in a ship type right?

I mean my main in eve is running out of things to train, already got 2 titan skills to V with all capital weapons in every race to V all carrier skills to V.

What I'm saying is simple.

I have command ships V all booster skills to V

Now won't eventually a new player in eve have these skills to V as well and be just as effective in a command ship as me? I can't train anymore relevant skills to it. My skills in that department have been cap'd due to there being no more skills for it.

I can see an active cap, I can't see the soft cap being relevant however, I mean you earn sp via wp. So what they get 3500 wp in skirmish, 3500 sp. Well by the end of that match I can have the same as playing several ambush matches in that duration.

In reality even with no soft cap in ambush they're only getting a few hundred sp more then what the current cap is.

Even though the progression is slightly faster you'll never truly be left behind, ie command ship example.

That's why eve works no matter when you start, ya the people that have been playing longer have more sp and access to more things then you, but it won't take you 10 years to catch up with a 10 year vet if say you want to specialize into 1 ship type, you'll be just as effective.

That's my point.