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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:47:00 -
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It really really is. Sure, you may not be the fastest thing on the ground, but the extra armor you have more then makes up for it. Especially the type II suit. if you're going to dance with a heavy, it's best you bring you that shield tanked suit to survive those CQC situations.
Why do so many of you run around with the scout shotty combo anyway? I mean, it's inferior to the assault shotty combo in every way! (except for speed, that matters very little in most situations.)
The scout suit is simply not fit for CQC combat. Sure, SOME of you may do well with it, but you would do a hell of a lot better if you threw on an assault suit. |
Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
91
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:00:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Why do so many of you run around with the scout shotty combo anyway? I mean, it's inferior to the assault shotty combo in every way! (except for speed, that matters very little in most situations.)
Speed and the low scan profile make it easy to get the drop on people. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:13:00 -
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Super bunny hops.
You cannot super bunny hop in an assault suit.
I enjoyed facing your fit, but mine is 100% militia with no relevant skills trained. I'd be curious to see the difference if I had more invested in the playstyle. I also like that scouts are a bit harder to detect and shoot, so it makes sneaking up on people a bit easier, which plays right into my playstyle. |
Warchild Zek
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
28
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:23:00 -
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Odd, every Betamax corp battle video on youtube is from a scout shotgun perspective. |
undeadsoldier90
UnReaL.
113
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:25:00 -
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Hit detection on scouts is much smaller..... nuff said. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Super bunny hops.
You cannot super bunny hop in an assault suit.
I enjoyed facing your fit, but mine is 100% militia with no relevant skills trained. I'd be curious to see the difference if I had more invested in the playstyle. I also like that scouts are a bit harder to detect and shoot, so it makes sneaking up on people a bit easier, which plays right into my playstyle. Yea, my fit is mainly built to dance with heavies as there are a lot of them in small maps like bio mass.
I've only got 1 point invested into shot guns so I could stop using the HK4m, and use a shotgun that requires less CPU/GP to use. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2013.02.10 05:37:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:I've only got point invested into shot guns so I could stop using the HK4m, and use a shotgun that requires less CPU/GP to use.
Yea, I'm just sitting on those. I actually had an insane amount of fun with a Breach Shotgun logi in the past build, with 2 complex damage mods....mmm, glorious. It's funny watching heavies freak out when you 1hk them up close, or 2 hits from a good range |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.10 07:43:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Super bunny hops.
You cannot super bunny hop in an assault suit.
I enjoyed facing your fit, but mine is 100% militia with no relevant skills trained. I'd be curious to see the difference if I had more invested in the playstyle. I also like that scouts are a bit harder to detect and shoot, so it makes sneaking up on people a bit easier, which plays right into my playstyle. Yea, my fit is mainly built to dance with heavies as there are a lot of them in small maps like bio mass. I've only got 1 point invested into shot guns so I could stop using the HK4m, and use a shotgun that requires less CPU/GP to use.
Throw one more point in there. The breach and specilist shotguns are both much better. Either you have a killer heavy one shot weapon, or you get an 8 shot, higher RoF shotgun that only takes up 2pg. |
Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:18:00 -
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Scout stealthtanked shotgun! |
Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
80
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:35:00 -
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Here's a few reasons why scout shotgun is superior to assault shotgun:
1. Lower scan profile, with the right skills you could walk by enemies without them noticing at all 2. Greater scan radius, you can easily detect people trying to flank you, or catch lone wolfs trying sneak behind your lines 3. Speed, you can run to people before they even realize you're there, and run away real fast when things get rough. Plus excellent for dodging. 4. Super bunnyhops, an extremely useful feature for dodging and reaching targets faster. 5. Smaller hitbox = harder to hit 6. Super fast shield regeneration, the little shields you have can be generated near instantly, very useful for popping in and out of combat. 7. Most of the time you are not facing heavies with HMGs, which means extra armor would only hinder you when facing other dropsuits. 8. I hate Caldari. I mean, their leader is a lunatic who tries to get us all killed! |
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.02.10 09:03:00 -
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Many Caldari loyalists see Heth as an enemy of the state, The gallente president Rodan is closer to Caldari ideal then crazy Heth, in my opinion. Kill the Templis Dragonaurs, so the real Caldari can resume control I say. Ishknone, Guristas, and Mordu are the better caldari. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.10 09:18:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:Many Caldari loyalists see Heth as an enemy of the state, The gallente president Rodan is closer to Caldari ideal then crazy Heth, in my opinion. Kill the Templis Dragonaurs, so the real Caldari can resume control I say. Ishknone, Guristas, and Mordu are the better caldari.
The Gallente Federation welcomes Caldari immigrants with open arms for those of you who want to defect to a better life... |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.02.10 09:48:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:It really really is. Sure, you may not be the fastest thing on the ground, but the extra armor you have more then makes up for it. Especially the type II suit. if you're going to dance with a heavy, it's best you bring you that shield tanked suit to survive those CQC situations.
Why do so many of you run around with the scout shotty combo anyway? I mean, it's inferior to the assault shotty combo in every way! (except for speed, that matters very little in most situations.)
The scout suit is simply not fit for CQC combat. Sure, SOME of you may do well with it, but you would do a hell of a lot better if you threw on an assault suit.
For reasons that arn't apparent, the scout suit is the best CQC platform.
Im not going to tell you why.
Suffice to say if your a guy with a "sword", running towards people with guns isn't the best idea. |
Primarch2
Air Red Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:24:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Here's a few reasons why scout shotgun is superior to assault shotgun:
1. Lower scan profile, with the right skills you could walk by enemies without them noticing at all 2. Greater scan radius, you can easily detect people trying to flank you, or catch lone wolfs trying sneak behind your lines 3. Speed, you can run to people before they even realize you're there, and run away real fast when things get rough. Plus excellent for dodging. 4. Super bunnyhops, an extremely useful feature for dodging and reaching targets faster. 5. Smaller hitbox = harder to hit 6. Super fast shield regeneration, the little shields you have can be generated near instantly, very useful for popping in and out of combat. 7. Most of the time you are not facing heavies with HMGs, which means extra armor would only hinder you when facing other dropsuits. 8. I hate Caldari. I mean, their leader is a lunatic who tries to get us all killed!
I am Caldari loyalty Enforcer 203884. Your comments have been noted and a state justice team have been dispatched. Please clean up your MQ, removing any dirty tissues and filthy Gallante magazines |
Primarch2
Air Red Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ten-Sidhe wrote:Many Caldari loyalists see Heth as an enemy of the state, The gallente president Rodan is closer to Caldari ideal then crazy Heth, in my opinion. Kill the Templis Dragonaurs, so the real Caldari can resume control I say. Ishknone, Guristas, and Mordu are the better caldari. The Gallente Federation welcomes Caldari immigrants with open arms for those of you who want to defect to a better life...
Your hedonistic nation will crumble under our boots and superior Caldari values. The state is law and law is the state.. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:37:00 -
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Big miku wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Why do so many of you run around with the scout shotty combo anyway? I mean, it's inferior to the assault shotty combo in every way! (except for speed, that matters very little in most situations.) Speed and the low scan profile make it easy to get the drop on people. Scout only has a slightly lower profile then assaults. |
Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
80
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Posted - 2013.02.10 11:57:00 -
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Primarch2 wrote:
I am Caldari loyalty Enforcer 203884. Your comments have been noted and a state justice team have been dispatched. Please clean up your MQ, removing any dirty tissues and filthy Gallante magazines
I am Gallente Liberty Enforcer #157. Your hostile acts have been noted and the Republic Freedom Army has been dispatched. Please empty your MQ of all personal items, lie down on the floor and wait until the army barge in and transfer you to the nearest Gallente Correctional Facility.
Have a nice day. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:27:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Primarch2 wrote:
I am Caldari loyalty Enforcer 203884. Your comments have been noted and a state justice team have been dispatched. Please clean up your MQ, removing any dirty tissues and filthy Gallante magazines
I am Gallente Liberty Enforcer #157. Your hostile acts have been noted and the Republic Freedom Army has been dispatched. Please empty your MQ of all personal items, lie down on the floor and wait until the army barge in and transfer you to the nearest Gallente Correctional Facility. Have a nice day.
Black Eagle Operative #1769. I am over-riding this command and hereby deploying a team to the area. Any attempt to thwart or in any way hamper the team's progress will be considered high treason and will be acted on with lethal force under authorization of *CLASSIFIED*. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
1005
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:31:00 -
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Warchild Zek wrote: Odd, every Betamax corp battle video on youtube is from a scout shotgun perspective. Thats just my personal preference, i like the speed and the low profile which i have some skills invested into. |
Anticitizen2501
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:42:00 -
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Stick two Kinetic Catalysts on a type II assault suit and you can close the distance on people very nicely. The extra shields from two extenders gives you that little bit more survivability, especially if you run into a squad - if you're shots are on targets you can easily find yourself surrounded by corpses.
Having a lower scan profile on a scout suit is very handy, but I find if someone knows I'm there, they often get impatient and try and rush around a corner after me. Not a good idea , in most situations anyway!
A scout with a shotty is often the rock to my scissors though! |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:45:00 -
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Anticitizen2501 wrote:Stick two Kinetic Catalysts on a type II assault sout and you can close the distance on people very nicely. The extra shields from two extenders gives you that little bit more survivability, especially if you run into a squad - if you're shots are on targets you can easily find yourself surrounded by corpses. Having a lower scan profile on a scout suit is very handy, but I find if someone knows I'm there, they often get impatient and try and rush around a corner after me. Not a good idea , in most situations anyway! A scout with a ****** is often the rock to my scissors though!
I don't trust the scan system at all. There's been way too many times that a Heavy just up and decides to turn around holding the trigger down when there was not a soul in sight besides me and him.
Dropsuit Command 5 + Profile Dampener + Scout Suit = Apparently not enough to slip past a Heavy. |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
265
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:46:00 -
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I overheard Wolfman going on in IRC about lowering scanning so it will be harder for people to see others behind them, great for profile dampened shotty scouts. |
Anticitizen2501
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:46:00 -
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Totally Aeon. That's why I rely on people to know I'm there! |
The Dragon Ascendant
Celtic Anarchy
101
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:54:00 -
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I originally had an assault shotgun suit. Like the op, I thought having the extra armour was of greater benefit in a CQC battle. Then I tried putting a shotgun on a scout and realised how very wrong I was.
I now run around with a dragonfly and standard shotgun, with profile dampener and scanners, sprinting right up to people and gunning them down with 1 shot. I see people before they know I'm there, jump over railings as they climb staircases and then rush them from behind, before sprinting off to find more victims. I can run around the outside the entire base in seconds and get behind an entire squad that is camped in 1 spot and take all of them out with ease.
I have had dodgy initial spawns in this suit where I have found myself surounded by multiple enemies, and have wasted them all with my superior strafing speed. The scout shotgunner is death incarnate. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.02.10 13:36:00 -
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I've used both, and been effective with both. I've killed - and been killed by - both setups in fights with both setups. I've gone Scout vs. Assault and Assault vs. Scout, I've gone Scout vs. Scout and Assault vs. Assault.
Both suit types are great platforms on which to use a Shotgun, but both require a different playstyle to get the best out of them. If you're better with the Assault suit, that's great. Doesn't make it objectively better. |
rebecca watson
Universal Allies Inc.
41
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:12:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:Primarch2 wrote:
I am Caldari loyalty Enforcer 203884. Your comments have been noted and a state justice team have been dispatched. Please clean up your MQ, removing any dirty tissues and filthy Gallante magazines
I am Gallente Liberty Enforcer #157. Your hostile acts have been noted and the Republic Freedom Army has been dispatched. Please empty your MQ of all personal items, lie down on the floor and wait until the army barge in and transfer you to the nearest Gallente Correctional Facility. Have a nice day. Black Eagle Operative #1769. I am over-riding this command and hereby deploying a team to the area. Any attempt to thwart or in any way hamper the team's progress will be considered high treason and will be acted on with lethal force under authorization of *CLASSIFIED*.
Awwwww..... *takes wizard robe and hat off and throws them on the floor* I thought there was going to be theater tonight |
Warchild Zek
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
28
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:26:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Warchild Zek wrote: Odd, every Betamax corp battle video on youtube is from a scout shotgun perspective. Thats just my personal preference, i like the speed and the low profile which i have some skills invested into.
Ah, same here. Just thought it was funny he was questioning the logic behind scout suit, while you're putting up vids showing why it works.
Love the vids though, keep em coming. I have alot of time to kill at work |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.10 21:45:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Why do so many of you run around with the scout shotty combo anyway? I mean, it's inferior to the assault shotty combo in every way!
Because Annie Oakley II. |
Warchild Zek
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
28
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Posted - 2013.02.10 22:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Anticitizen2501 wrote:Stick two Kinetic Catalysts on a type II assault sout and you can close the distance on people very nicely. The extra shields from two extenders gives you that little bit more survivability, especially if you run into a squad - if you're shots are on targets you can easily find yourself surrounded by corpses. Having a lower scan profile on a scout suit is very handy, but I find if someone knows I'm there, they often get impatient and try and rush around a corner after me. Not a good idea , in most situations anyway! A scout with a ****** is often the rock to my scissors though! I don't trust the scan system at all. There's been way too many times that a Heavy just up and decides to turn around holding the trigger down when there was not a soul in sight besides me and him. Dropsuit Command 5 + Profile Dampener + Scout Suit = Apparently not enough to slip past a Heavy.
If any enemy anywhere aims at you, you're on the radar. Makes it hard to blame the scanner. I get scouts killed all the time from like 500m away just by pointing my shotgun at them when they are trying to be sneaky.
I only play scout and can definitely say the low profile works, also not running near people is crucial. |
Calamity Jane II
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
28
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:41:00 -
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So I haven't figured out this "log in" thing with Annie Oakley II so just deal with it for now. Yes, yes, this is calamity's log in but hey why not abuse it while I can. So the subject is interesting enough that I have to put in my two cents on this one. Sorry Disturbing Bored, I am not a scout shotty. The horrible truth is I'm a B series wearing assault, with an advanced shotgun and no remorse. I see plenty of scout shotgun users out there and I applaud them for their efforts every time I one shot them. I have to put in my lot with assault suit on this one, I've run scout shotty in the previous builds and by far survivability out weighs speed 90% of the time. Yes the scouts can dance, and close the gaps rather fast, but at the end of the day unless you catch your prey off guard you are going to need tons of range and luck to survive. I don't want anyone to feel that this is an attack on you if you use the scout/shotgun combo, that is not my intent. It is my OPINION, so don't take it as fact until you try it yourself. Each class plays differently so who knows, that ultra fast hard to hit scout might just be the thing for you... But watch out. I will find you, and I will beat you like you owe me money! |
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IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
326
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:33:00 -
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A way to deal with the sketchiness of the Scout suit's profile dampners/ Scan profile would be to implement a visual representation showing if you've been detected or not.
Maybe for enemies that can see you on their radar or your little red arrow, put an exclamation point above their head to signal you've been detected?
Though, I do think this would make scout's a little too OP, them having to maneuver around the map with the hopes of not being detected and torn into shreds is the only thing really keeping them in check right now. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
132
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:46:00 -
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It's not that playing with a SG requires you to use a scout suit. It's the ohter way around: SG is the only vialb weapon for a scout and even then scout suit is only for enthusiasts who dont mind having a terrible KDR. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
35
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:52:00 -
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In battle I mainly run a type 2 scout suit with an assault scrambler pistol as my only weapon. Started with the scout shotgun combo but it makes no sense when like you said scouts aren't meant for close combat and the scrambler pistol can do similar damage with a headshot and has much greater range.
Oh, and I go type II for that extra equipment slot. Now I can get people spawning in position to attack an enemy base and run fast enough to make it to wounded soldiers all over the map before they bleed out. |
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