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iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
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Posted - 2013.02.10 03:55:00 -
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Dust 514 needs new players to make the game grow, not only population but to keep the game going for a long time IMO.. Every single match when players use the noob cannon AKA HMG and go 17-0 21-0 etc etc I think new players will give up on the game instead of stick around and learn the game, get better armor etc
There has to be some kind of ajustment wither being shorter range or more recoil etc, every single scrub I see with heavy armor and noob cannon is always in the top 3 on scoreboard.
I would like to see even more players join this game and stick with it, instead of getting owned by these scrubs and give up on this game and never returning. food for thought.. with that being said let the noob cannon scrubs come in and defend their noob weapon.. saying learn how to play bla bla bla yata yata yata.. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:02:00 -
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Don't worry, that adjustment will come naturally within the current build of the game as SP totals mature.
Also even before then the HMG is easy to counter so long as you engage it outside of it's optimal contexts.
For example running in a (more or less) straight line toward an HMG will get you killed as surely as walking point blank into a shotgun or standing out in the open with incoming sniper fire.
Note I say this as someone who does not use the HMG, it's fine as is and will become more 'lackluster' (as compared to current effects) simply through the passage of time/accrual of SP.
Cheers,
Cross |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:05:00 -
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Or better yet, how about a tutorial that mentions the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon. One that describes the various roles and Hw they interact. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
Heart 0f Darkness
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Posted - 2013.02.10 06:39:00 -
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This, LR, and Tank; it is not exclusive. Your assessment is generally correct from what I've seen though.
edit: on the other hand, every FPS has more effective players that have unlocked stuff from what I've seen, and they almost consistently destroy others on the field. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:29:00 -
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what software should I pick up to try and get recording going on? I'd be happy to start making tutorial weapon videos.
serious ones, not my usual trollshizz |
Coleus Rattus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:59:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Or better yet, how about a tutorial that mentions the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon. One that describes the various roles and Hw they interact.
do we really need that? I mean, not that I am outright against it, but the "rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock" of FPS weapons isn't really something that CCP invented.
I think, that despite it's logical fallacies (HMGs [which are actually LMGs, as the difference between both is mostly that the LMG is carried, while the HMG is mounted...], due to a bigger round and longer barrell are actually quite accurate over longer distances compared to assault rifles IRL...), it's common knowledge how the basic weapons perform in game. If not, here's a chart:
range: sniper, rocket launcher, AR, HMG, sidearm, submachinegun, Shotgun
power: sniper, rocket launcher, Shotgun, HMG, AR, sidearm, submachinegun
RoF: submachinegun, HMG, AR, Sidearm, Shotgun, sniper, rocket launcher
"Mobility": sidearm, submachinegun, shotgun, AR, sniper, HMG, rocket launcher
(now some might be, depending on game, on slightly different spots, but the genearal idea is still there) |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:03:00 -
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No, they just need to adjust the Match Making system so it can put noobs against noobs. It seems like its just a random selection right now. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:13:00 -
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Biggest noob cannon in the game is the Blaster turret tbh. |
Don Von Hulio
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.10 10:32:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Biggest noob cannon in the game is the Blaster turret tbh.
If you use a mouse. If i use my DS3 im utter crap with emplacements or turrets. |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.10 11:42:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
Also even before then the HMG is easy to counter so long as you engage it outside of it's optimal contexts.
optimal contexts? lolwut?
the HMG offers huge dps, has ~40 optimal meters range and great accuracy. most engagements are inside 20meters thus in fact 99% of time the heavy has the advantage. |
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iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:53:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Also even before then the HMG is easy to counter so long as you engage it outside of it's optimal contexts.
optimal contexts? lolwut? the HMG offers huge dps, has ~40 optimal meters range and great accuracy. most engagements are inside 20meters thus in fact 99% of time the heavy has the advantage.
100% agree... finally someone sees how dominate this weapon is |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:58:00 -
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Idiots keep feeding me your tears, it's a shame I'm no longer skilling heavys. |
PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:05:00 -
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iLLMaTiC619 wrote:Dust 514 needs new players to make the game grow, not only population but to keep the game going for a long time IMO.. Every single match when players use the noob cannon AKA HMG and go 17-0 21-0 etc etc I think new players will give up on the game instead of stick around and learn the game, get better armor etc
There has to be some kind of ajustment wither being shorter range or more recoil etc, every single scrub I see with heavy armor and noob cannon is always in the top 3 on scoreboard.
I would like to see even more players join this game and stick with it, instead of getting owned by these scrubs and give up on this game and never returning. food for thought.. with that being said let the noob cannon scrubs come in and defend their noob weapon.. saying learn how to play bla bla bla yata yata yata..
There does need to be more recoil on the Heavy Machine Gun. I have to admit I went 33 - 0 on an ambush with it. |
Hellraiser Alpha
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:09:00 -
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As it is currently, I see no problem with the HMG or heavies in general. Most people don't run heavies, and heavies aren't invincible. Heavies truly only work when they have logi support. Ammo secondary to repair. |
PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:15:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Idiots keep feeding me your tears, it's a shame I'm no longer skilling heavys. Please don't start with that bullshit about how your good in heavys. Lol I took you out 6 times in a match |
De- -Zell
Universal Rangers
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:16:00 -
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I'm skilling the heavy tree myself. Plan to max it out at some point before moving on to a different weapon. It does take some finesse to use effectively. If you get surrounded your done. Simple as that. Or if someone has a mass driver you really can't compete with that. Which is IMHO, far more OP than the HMG.
That said the HMG is a brutal weapon, but far from perfect. Whatever, I like it and as such I enjoy the game that much more. So screw it, I'm gonna keep rocking the HMG just to **** people off! |
PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163
A.I.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:22:00 -
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De- -Zell wrote:I'm skilling the heavy tree myself. Plan to max it out at some point before moving on to a different weapon. It does take some finesse to use effectively. If you get surrounded your done. Simple as that. Or if someone has a mass driver you really can't compete with that. Which is IMHO, far more OP than the HMG.
That said the HMG is a brutal weapon, but far from perfect. Whatever, I like it and as such I enjoy the game that much more. So screw it, I'm gonna keep rocking the HMG just to **** people off!
good for you. Ill be there to kill you. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:24:00 -
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PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163 wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Idiots keep feeding me your tears, it's a shame I'm no longer skilling heavys. Please don't start with that bullshit about how your good in heavys. Lol I took you out 6 times in a match
Prove it, I know I've killed you more than a few times.
Edit: this is an alt, you're full of sh*t |
DropKickSuicide
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:31:00 -
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iLLMaTiC619 wrote:Dust 514 needs new players to make the game grow, not only population but to keep the game going for a long time IMO.. Every single match when players use the noob cannon AKA HMG and go 17-0 21-0 etc etc I think new players will give up on the game instead of stick around and learn the game, get better armor etc
There has to be some kind of ajustment wither being shorter range or more recoil etc, every single scrub I see with heavy armor and noob cannon is always in the top 3 on scoreboard.
I would like to see even more players join this game and stick with it, instead of getting owned by these scrubs and give up on this game and never returning. food for thought.. with that being said let the noob cannon scrubs come in and defend their noob weapon.. saying learn how to play bla bla bla yata yata yata..
lol are yoou gonna post this everytime you killed by a HMG?
I see ARs top the chart all the time with 32-0, 26-1, 43-1, ETC. Iv also seen Heavys with HMG go horribly negative like 3-6, 1-10, etc, etc.
YES I AM A HEAVY, tho HMG I do not use I find it to limiting so I use Forge Gun wit SMG as a side weapon and Its not rare for me to top the charts. Hell I went 16-0 in an ambush 2 days ago without the SMG th omy average game is about 16/20-1/4
LEARN TO PLAY AND STOB CHARGING HMG SCRUB |
HUGO SHTIGLETZ
RestlessSpirits
16
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:43:00 -
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ive talked several friends into getting the game all but 4 have stopped playing entirely and the four that are left hate heavies and only play because they love the rest of the game so much. |
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SickJ
French unchained corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.11 04:47:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Also even before then the HMG is easy to counter so long as you engage it outside of it's optimal contexts.
optimal contexts? lolwut?
He means shoot them in the cranium with a Sniper Rifle. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 05:17:00 -
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SickJ wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
Also even before then the HMG is easy to counter so long as you engage it outside of it's optimal contexts.
optimal contexts? lolwut? He means shoot them in the cranium with a Sniper Rifle.
or char them with the Laser Rifle.... or bomb them with the Mass Driver... or leave a Remote Explosive and draw them to it...
there's many ways to take them out, hell, i saw a scout dance around HMG fire, and shotgun a heavy in the side of the head...
be creative~ |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.02.11 05:33:00 -
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I take heavies out with ar all the time. It does more damage at range.
Don't engage a heavy at close range unless you know what you are doing. (they can be killed up close too, but hard to explain right, I don't want to explain it wrong and get a bunch of new players killed by my bad explanation) |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 05:36:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:I take heavies out with ar all the time. It does more damage at range.
Don't engage a heavy at close range unless you know what you are doing. (they can be killed up close too, but hard to explain right, I don't want to explain it wrong and get a bunch of new players killed by my bad explanation)
yeah..some ARs have that edge, like Burst and Tactical.
as for clsoe range... knowing where the edge of that firing cone is your only way to survive it IMO |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:16:00 -
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I've had it. Learn to use teamwork or die. Those are your choices. I see so many in pubs without mics and in a squad of one. It's no wonder they are getting slaughtered every match. I'm actually a pretty nice guy, I'm just really sick of these topics.
Example: The other team just kept using a CRU in an Ambush match even though they were being butchered because nobody could call out a warning to the others. They lost a lot of clones to our guns before they wizened up and used the default spawn. Teamwork and communication will save you a lot of rage. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:17:00 -
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yeah... not enough people actually work together... so... there is gonna be alot of death, it happens.. sucks though
gotta let these people vent some how though
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Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:22:00 -
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I've been getting on team chat and (hoping that they can hear me through the TV) politely telling those that are alone to at least squad up even if they can't communicate verbally. Make a squad and stick together, teamwork is the only thing that is OP in Dust 514.
- And that is okay with me. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:24:00 -
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same.... Teamwork should always be able to outwit a lone sniper, or overpower a Heavy... heh |
usrevenge2
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:28:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:iceyburnz wrote:Biggest noob cannon in the game is the Blaster turret tbh. If you use a mouse. If i use my DS3 im utter crap with emplacements or turrets.
not really, I'ved used the emplacements with normal controller and have done very well blaster turrets can easily 4 any infantry and 1 burst kills a LAV, other emplacements ( if in range) and can do serious damage to a tank if it's in range as well.. the problem with emplacements is they are too weak HP wise and most have crap LOS, they should also have people get in them instead of sit outside them. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:28:00 -
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It's almost to the point that when I see a squad (or just a group of players) work together to take me out I smile. I know at least somebody is beginning to get it. |
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