I could see reducing the time it takes for the HMG to overheat as a possible balance. Reduce the amount of time the heavy can just simply spray bullets at someone farther away will reduce the amount of kills they get at range.

and if they HMG is so "OP" why dont we see more usersand why do we see so many people droping the HMG for the GEK ( even tho they are Heavys )

HMG needs a spool up time

spread needs to be a little wider

that's all that is really needed imo.

That's been pissing me off more than anything lately...guys running around in a militia heavy, running shield extenders and a GEK....what the hell is that all about?

Back in a previous build I ran my fatsuit with a Breach (when they were preferred over the standard AR) and ZOMG it was ridiculous.

As a Heavy users I really hate guys that just use the militia suit to roll through their early stages and then go shield tank AR as soon as they can.

HMG needs a spool up time

spread needs to be a little wider

that's all that is really needed imo.

HMG needs a spool up time

spread needs to be a little wider

that's all that is really needed imo.

HMG needs a spool up time

spread needs to be a little wider

that's all that is really needed imo.

I'd rather they just delete the HMG than give it spool up time. This was on Brink. I got used to it, but I never liked it. In Brink though, I could carry and AR with the Minigun.....so running around I still had a distance weapon....it's no the same here.

NO SPOOL UP.

NO INCREASED SPREAD.....guys are jumping all over the place as it is messing with the hit detection anyways

Heat lock needs to occur sooner. Maybe a SLIGHT....I like the 3% vs 5% idea.....nerf in the range. That's it.

why do we bother having assault suits and scout suits?

logi suits and heavies are the only decent ones in the game. if a squad levels around 3 heavies and 1 logi they can pretty much just walk through the level unhindered.

especially in CQC. turn a corner fire the HMG everyone in the hallway is now dead. they can even take a shotgun to the back of the head and have enough time to turn and spray the gun again.

why do we bother having assault suits and scout suits?

logi suits and heavies are the only decent ones in the game. if a squad levels around 3 heavies and 1 logi they can pretty much just walk through the level unhindered.

especially in CQC. turn a corner fire the HMG everyone in the hallway is now dead. they can even take a shotgun to the back of the head and have enough time to turn and spray the gun again.

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Is that why there's only heavies/logis being used in corp battles currently? Oh wait, pretty much everyone is scouts and assaults.

As arguably one of the best heavies in sver true blood,

Balancing with ISK,
If you want to do balancing, forget everything about isk cost. Create a balance of operational use because that's what matters in what's underpowered and what's not. It's not the pricetag.
Additionally, free market is going to tune the prices according every items actual worth in usability.

In short: Forget balancing with isk prices.


Balancing with SP,
That can be done slightly, but it is usually very poor way to do it or at least has to be done using extreme caution. Why? If something is totally OP and as a result it's SP requirements are made high, the only result is that old players have access to that untuned OP asset and wipe the floor with the rest.



About heavies and HMGs:
They are fine. Sure they are terrible thing to face close by but so they should. They have plenty of strengths and plenty of weaknesses. Sure, you have to run away from them in some cases, but you have to smart enough to realize that. In other times, they are so easy to kill. Even the range isn't problem as you can easily pepper headshots for two seconds before HMG even start to get accurate. Repeat 2-3 times and presto.

correction, just went up against a heavy/logi team, we won, but barely. top 5 on both teams all had over 10 deaths. It was a hell of a fight. honestly, the biggest issue going against a team like that is running into a group of 3 heavies in relatively close quarters is a death sentence, unless you run, and you run fast.

heavies need some work. particularly in the offence dpt. currently, I can usually get most heavies to half armor before I'm dead. the kicker is, if there are two heavies, I'm dead, but if two assaults run into a heavy, the odds are still in fatty's favor, unless the assault guys are using adv/prototype gear.

tone down the HMG a bit, make heavies have to work for their kills, or at least not be able to walk around corners holding R1.



furthermore, I still suggest a 33% chance of a catastrophic explosion whenever the trigger on a sniper rifle is pulled.

why do we bother having assault suits and scout suits?

logi suits and heavies are the only decent ones in the game. if a squad levels around 3 heavies and 1 logi they can pretty much just walk through the level unhindered.

especially in CQC. turn a corner fire the HMG everyone in the hallway is now dead. they can even take a shotgun to the back of the head and have enough time to turn and spray the gun again.

it is a fact, the disadvantages are no real disadvantage, merely pseudo ones.

This makes no real sense, even HMG of our own time have 0 spull up time and pinpoint accuracy at a fairly far distance.

Is that why there's only heavies/logis being used in corp battles currently? Oh wait, pretty much everyone is scouts and assaults.

If SP and ISK are not used to Balance anything then why are there differennt prices in the game?

Why not make EVERY dropsuit cost Xamount and EVERY weapon cost Xamount?

Why does better equipment cost more if cost is not a balencing factor?

Why do Dropships and Tanks cost more then LAVs? they are all Vehicles just with different jobs right?

So an effective range reduction

HMG needs a spool up time

spread needs to be a little wider

that's all that is really needed imo.

lol spool up time... smh

if they add a spool time, which no minigun has in real life though (although DUST shouldn't depict real life, but it's just funny that a minigun has spool time) I'll just be walking around revving up my gun.

The spread is already bad.

Reducing range slightly, and increase the build up speed is fine.

correction, just went up against a heavy/logi team, we won, but barely. top 5 on both teams all had over 10 deaths. It was a hell of a fight. honestly, the biggest issue going against a team like that is running into a group of 3 heavies in relatively close quarters is a death sentence, unless you run, and you run fast.

heavies need some work. particularly in the offence dpt. currently, I can usually get most heavies to half armor before I'm dead. the kicker is, if there are two heavies, I'm dead, but if two assaults run into a heavy, the odds are still in fatty's favor, unless the assault guys are using adv/prototype gear.

tone down the HMG a bit, make heavies have to work for their kills, or at least not be able to walk around corners holding R1.



furthermore, I still suggest a 33% chance of a catastrophic explosion whenever the trigger on a sniper rifle is pulled.

I could see reducing the time it takes for the HMG to overheat as a possible balance. Reduce the amount of time the heavy can just simply spray bullets at someone farther away will reduce the amount of kills they get at range.

Yes, miniguns have a spool up time as the barrels have to be accelerated to the required RPM. The HMG does not however as it features a counter-rotating gear system that compensates for the immense torque produced when pulling the trigger. This is the reason the gun is initially inaccurate until it is up to operating speed.

In mounted miniguns the spool up time is very short, but noticeable. A carried minigun would have to feature a much longer spool up time for it to even be usable by an infantry unit. The HMG is specifically designed to operate without the need for a noticeable spool up. So not, it doesn't need that at all.

On a side note...where was all the crying when an AR could hit 20 headshots in a row from across the map because you had a magic little dot and no recoil? Remember when the heavy was garbage and any decent AR could kill it no problem?

If I had awards to give you, I would. Thank you for knowing what you're talking about....