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Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:04:00 - [2] - Quote um.... how long have you been playing... AUR items are only as good as isk gear but takes less sp to use militia gear sucks, hard
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon You're assuming that money buys your ability to play the game itself. Good, go ahead and spend that much on this game to get top tier stuff and then watch as I still steamroll you because you DIDN'T PUT ANY TIME INTO ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:09:00 - [4] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon sniff sniff I smell a newberry
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:10:00 - [5] - Quote since last month and hammered it but just seems like I only get killed by militia, I even tear someone in half with my HMG or he downs me with a militia assault rifle. Maybe I'm just raging but feels pointless spending time skilling up for good gear when in comparison and in game use their as effective as the stuff you started with. I made a pilot character just to drive a tank, he has no combat skills other than what he maybe had to begin with and I'm fighting on par or better than the people I get put up against. Alright the dropsuit and modules ain't super but the guns are more than enough
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:11:00 - [6] - Quote I mean yeah I've gone through games with 20/4 K/D in my loadout but just infuriates me when I get pinged off from a distance by a militia assault rifle
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:12:00 - [7] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon sniff sniff I smell a newberry Only about a month or so new, Came top in more than enough games to make me happy but I'm not the only one who thinks Militia weapons are better than what their supposed to be
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon You're assuming that money buys your ability to play the game itself. Good, go ahead and spend that much on this game to get top tier stuff and then watch as I still steamroll you because you DIDN'T PUT ANY TIME INTO ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME. I don't pay for anything I'm playing only with what the bare game has, I'm earning my score, SP and Gear by playing, Just making a point
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:17:00 - [10] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. I agree, I love that there is a consequence to dying in this, which annoys me more that people can play using starting gear where all my gear is from skills and I don't have an advantage, I know thats sounds childish but the point of an MMORPG is that players who put time into the game and get the better gear are better stat wise to people who don't.

crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:22:00 - [11] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: since last month and hammered it but just seems like I only get killed by militia, I even tear someone in half with my HMG or he downs me with a militia assault rifle. Maybe I'm just raging but feels pointless spending time skilling up for good gear when in comparison and in game use their as effective as the stuff you started with. I made a pilot character just to drive a tank, he has no combat skills other than what he maybe had to begin with and I'm fighting on par or better than the people I get put up against. Alright the dropsuit and modules ain't super but the guns are more than enough If you fit out your higher tier sutis with nothing but damage mods expect to be droped by miltiia gear If you fit tanking mods you won't get killed as easily by militia gear, it's not too hard to understand. Your dropsuit is only as good as you fit it.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:25:00 - [12] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. I agree, I love that there is a consequence to dying in this, which annoys me more that people can play using starting gear where all my gear is from skills and I don't have an advantage, I know thats sounds childish but the point of an MMORPG is that players who put time into the game and get the better gear are better stat wise to people who don't. I see what you're saying. There has been quite a bit of rumbling from the community because of the gap between Militia, Standard, Advanced, and Prototype gear that is basically non-existent. Nowadays the only thing you really upgrade for is extra slots.
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:25:00 - [13] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. I agree, I love that there is a consequence to dying in this, which annoys me more that people can play using starting gear where all my gear is from skills and I don't have an advantage, I know thats sounds childish but the point of an MMORPG is that players who put time into the game and get the better gear are better stat wise to people who don't. So put the time in, grind SP and ISK, and run proto gear. Just don't expect it to allow you to kill players with better gun game.
Myles Aarne Amarrican Ground Forces I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 22	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote In EVE my favorite ship is a Gallente rookie ship -- But kitted with tech 2 drones and 150mm railguns. The way I see it, some really good players are going to win with militia gear, others are going to win with Prototype quality gear. And some are going to suck pondwater regardless. To each their own; why should I tell other people how to have their fun?
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 165	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:32:00 - [15] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. So, this is a game that has a fairly long life span planned for it by CCP hence the limit on SP, and we're less than a month into the open beta, and you're angry that it's militia weapons held in militia suits that's doing the killing. What else do you think is going to be happening. Some people are saving ISK to buy skill books, or saving up for when they're in advanced equipment as you can expect a fully fitted A-series to easily break 100,000 ISK per pop, or maybe saving it for Corp. matches, etc. This is a game of choices. There's not suppose to be some massive gap between the weapon tiers, and passive skills add a massive amount to damage output and survivability. At level 5 weaponry in weaponry, and if a complex damage module is installed in a suit, a militia rifle has a 20% increase in damage. Add in a level 4/5 in assault rifle operations with 2/3 level of sharpshooter and the player can get very tight bolt grouping. It's not just the weapon is Dust that makes the difference, it's how wisely SP is allocated and more importantly, player skill.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:39:00 - [16] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. So, this is a game that has a fairly long life span planned for it by CCP hence the limit on SP, and we're less than a month into the open beta, and you're angry that it's militia weapons held in militia suits that's doing the killing. What else do you think is going to be happening. Some people are saving ISK to buy skill books, or saving up for when they're in advanced equipment as you can expect a fully fitted A-series to easily break 100,000 ISK per pop, or maybe saving it for Corp. matches, etc. This is a game of choices. There's not suppose to be some massive gap between the weapon tiers, and passive skills add a massive amount to damage output and survivability. At level 5 weaponry in weaponry, and if a complex damage module is installed in a suit, a militia rifle has a 20% increase in damage. Add in a level 4/5 in assault rifle operations and the player can get very tight bolt grouping. And it's not just the weapon is Dust that makes the difference, it's how wisely SP is allocated and more importantly, player skill. ....I think you may have misunderstood my tone in my message. I'm not complaining.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 165	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:48:00 - [17] - Quote Polish Hammer wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. So, this is a game that has a fairly long life span planned for it by CCP hence the limit on SP, and we're less than a month into the open beta, and you're angry that it's militia weapons held in militia suits that's doing the killing. What else do you think is going to be happening. Some people are saving ISK to buy skill books, or saving up for when they're in advanced equipment as you can expect a fully fitted A-series to easily break 100,000 ISK per pop, or maybe saving it for Corp. matches, etc. This is a game of choices. There's not suppose to be some massive gap between the weapon tiers, and passive skills add a massive amount to damage output and survivability. At level 5 weaponry in weaponry, and if a complex damage module is installed in a suit, a militia rifle has a 20% increase in damage. Add in a level 4/5 in assault rifle operations and the player can get very tight bolt grouping. And it's not just the weapon is Dust that makes the difference, it's how wisely SP is allocated and more importantly, player skill. ....I think you may have misunderstood my tone in my message. I'm not complaining. Sorry, I quoted the wrong person. I'd read the quote from below, read the rest of the thread, fast scrolled back up and this^ happened. I use the best I'm able to as well. Some people I know are sitting on over 30million ISK. I've all my possible future skill books bought, ~4 million in the bank, and all my suits are being pushed to the limit. Happy days I regularly post at the wrong thing, but maybe this will be the last one. Coleman Gray wrote: since last month and hammered it but just seems like I only get killed by militia, I even tear someone in half with my HMG or he downs me with a militia assault rifle. Maybe I'm just raging but feels pointless spending time skilling up for good gear when in comparison and in game use their as effective as the stuff you started with. I made a pilot character just to drive a tank, he has no combat skills other than what he maybe had to begin with and I'm fighting on par or better than the people I get put up against. Alright the dropsuit and modules ain't super but the guns are more than enough
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:52:00 - [18] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Sorry, I quoted the wrong person. I'd read the quote from below, read the rest of the thread, fast scrolled back up and this^ happened. I use the best I'm able to as well. Some people I know are sitting on over 30million ISK. I've all my possible future skill books bought, ~4 million in the bank, and all my suits are being pushed to the limit. Happy days I regularly post at the wrong thing, but maybe this will be the last one. No worries boss Happens to the best of us.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:55:00 - [19] - Quote Sorry Oxskull I think I may have suffered from an bad case of rage :P now I've had a brew ect and been thinking on it, if most of the enemy use militia then chances are when I do die chances are could be simply a militia gun got the last hit on me
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 165	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:11:00 - [20] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Sorry Oxskull I think I may have suffered from an bad case of rage :P now I've had a brew ect and been thinking on it, if most of the enemy use militia then chances are when I do die chances are could be simply a militia gun got the last hit on me Haha, I know the feeling Coleman. I got a bad dose of it earlier on. Enjoy the brew and I'll see ya in battle sometime. I promise I'll use a Gek

crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking. oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:13:00 - [22] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Sorry Oxskull I think I may have suffered from an bad case of rage :P now I've had a brew ect and been thinking on it, if most of the enemy use militia then chances are when I do die chances are could be simply a militia gun got the last hit on me Haha, I know the feeling Coleman. I got a bad dose of it earlier on. Enjoy the brew and I'll see ya in battle sometime. I promise I'll use a Gek FFFFFFFFFF...Gek..bane of my existence :P
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:14:00 - [23] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking. oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P lol be harsh to get rid of the prototype stuff D: gives people something to really work for
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 431	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote The current business model of the game is this: entice people to play their game by making it free. What do they have to lose when it's free? place certain things in the game that give slight leeway to the player who uses them accessible only through purchasing using money. CCP is only making money off of AUR and perhaps Sony, so getting rid of AUR and AUR items in essence gets rid of the game because how else would CCP make money off a free to play game?
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:18:00 - [25] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The current business model of the game is this: entice people to play their game by making it free. What do they have to lose when it's free? place certain things in the game that give slight leeway to the player who uses them accessible only through purchasing using money. CCP is only making money off of AUR and perhaps Sony, so getting rid of AUR and AUR items in essence gets rid of the game because how else would CCP make money off a free to play game? I just needed to rage and make a scene :P mostly the rage thing
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.02.06 00:23:00 - [26] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon If you take a bit more time to look you will see that Militia gear takes more CPU and PG to use. This itself makes it less good than Standard gear, even though it has similar stats as far as DMG and such. If you change to Standard gear you will find you can fit more gear tot he same suit. There is nothing wrong with Militia gear or AUR gear. They are balanced in a very smart way. They will help you catch up to people who have played longer in a way that is not OP, and yet is still worth the money if you decide to put money into the game.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2013.02.06 05:44:00 - [27] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon sniff sniff I smell a newberry Only about a month or so new, Came top in more than enough games to make me happy but I'm not the only one who thinks Militia weapons are better than what their supposed to be I'm just dickin with ya bro it may seem that militia weapons are op but you have to take into account that there are also the skills associated with increasing weapon damage, reload speed, clip size etc. There are two skills especially that when skilled up to lvl 5 on both, increases weapon damage by 50%.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.02.06 05:48:00 - [28] - Quote I call BS. I have AUR and Militia stuff and they are no better than the ISK variants. Hell, I only use the AUR/militia stuff to save ISK so that I can one day blow 20,000,000 ISK on an stack of all-Prototype Nova Knifing scout fits.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.06 06:15:00 - [29] - Quote AUR items are in the game to help CCP make money off this game and militia gear is there so you don't have to run naked onto the battlefield if you run out of money. Good day.
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.06 06:31:00 - [30] - Quote AUR buys you stuff as good as, what tech 1? You save isk, but I can't say that makes it as good as proto Also, can't BPO tanks

Chibi Andy Celtic Anarchy 38	Posted - 2013.02.06 06:54:00 - [31] - Quote oh oh oh i have an idea, how about we pit him against zion, imperfects AND serephim in one match and lets see how his "AUR" bought items/dropsuits will hold out against that
Denak Kalamari CrimeWave Syndicate 80	Posted - 2013.02.06 07:14:00 - [32] - Quote The reason why you're killed by Militia Assault Rifles is not because they're too cheap, or overpowered, it's because everyone and their grandmother is using them. If players have any sense in them, they'll gradually buy new skills, new equipment, dropsuits, modules etc. and eventually discard the militia level stuff. And besides, in the most basic starter fits you are given a militia assault rifle, some of the newberries might not even realize they can switch around their weapons, resulting in them staying forever in militia grade stuff.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.02.06 07:17:00 - [33] - Quote There's also the fact that when you get the AUR version of something, you usually miss out on 5% of passive bonus from a skill also, required to use the ISK version. So in some cases, the AUR version isn't even as effective as it may have been, had they gone for the ISK version.
Buzzin Fr0g KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2013.02.06 07:33:00 - [34] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Polish Hammer wrote: Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that. I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. I agree, I love that there is a consequence to dying in this, which annoys me more that people can play using starting gear where all my gear is from skills and I don't have an advantage, I know thats sounds childish but the point of an MMORPG is that players who put time into the game and get the better gear are better stat wise to people who don't. You do have an advantage, but it isn't a landslide. In MMOs that rely on "dice roll" systems to calculate hits, in-game stats are the primary determinant in your character's effectiveness. Dust is an MMO, but it's also an FPS, and as such player skill enters into the equation. Both SP/Skills and familiarity with FPS matter. It gives new players at least a chance to be successful in firefights.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.06 07:45:00 - [35] - Quote Quote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. For starters CPP needs an income and there is no better income then from people fielding 200-300 Aur per death in gear, second Militia gear is crap, please use it as i burn trough in less then a second or before you say "What teh F..'insert your death here"...uck I am at 42m ISK, have all the skillbooks i need and don't need that i can buy @1.6m SP and run in the most expensive suit i can wear atm, no costs spared (55K ISK a suit) and got 200+ suits in reserve. The only time i tend to die allot (3-5 times a match) is when i am up against a dedicated team that's using voice to communicate, but even then ive gone trough some teams like they weren't even there and some others had to actively use cover to advance towards my position and sit tight waiting for one of theirs to flank me and these are guys with 3+ mill SP each. Even if i am not bad at shooters, i am not that good to pull that off in a militia suit with 160 shields vs people with duvvoles & proto suites. It's one thing seeing a Militias fit shields go down and chew up its armor in 20 rounds vs a seeing a Proto suit turn around after spending a clip in it with half its armor intact and yer stuck reloading and yer thinking aw sh*t i should have gone with a scrambler pistol instead of an SMG and die because of range :p
Gundo Sens MK2 Enterprises 13	Posted - 2013.02.06 12:45:00 - [36] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking. oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P Heya, just wondered if you have a link or anything about this? Or is it from IRC? Ta gundo
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 212	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:40:00 - [37] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: since last month and hammered it but just seems like I only get killed by militia, I even tear someone in half with my HMG or he downs me with a militia assault rifle. Maybe I'm just raging but feels pointless spending time skilling up for good gear when in comparison and in game use their as effective as the stuff you started with. I made a pilot character just to drive a tank, he has no combat skills other than what he maybe had to begin with and I'm fighting on par or better than the people I get put up against. Alright the dropsuit and modules ain't super but the guns are more than enough trust me high level gear makes a HUGH difference. Should you be spending most of your time in militia gear? hell yes its too easy to get sloppy in high end gear and the pricing makes it impossible to run it all the time(Its supposed to). when you do find your self needing higher end gear you will be capable of playing on a higher level and you will find your self stomping people in militia gear and those that run almost exclusively high end stuff.
Jay Sterling IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:52:00 - [38] - Quote I couldn't disagree with the OP more - I've got ALL the militia gear and after a couple of weeks you realise how much it sucks - even the dropsuits. The militia stuff is useful to begin with for hording a few million ISK, but that is it. As soon as I can by better stuff with ISK it's bye bye to militia stuff forever, believe me. This game is very well balanced in the sense that it's not pay-to-win, it's pay-to-get-your-goodies-a-little-bit-faster.
Spaceman-Rob Galactic Alliance 514 64	Posted - 2013.02.06 14:08:00 - [39] - Quote If you run around using milita gear the whole time you can kiss goodbye to a positive kd, you will die, and you will die a lot.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 165	Posted - 2013.02.06 15:51:00 - [40] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items. This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon There is nothing wrong with a better player killing you with an inferior weapon. There is also nothing wrong with being killed by an inferior weapon in a situation that gives that weapon a tactical advantage. If you are in high end gear with a high end gun and you face a guy in militia gear of the same type across an open field and you both start shooting at the same time and you both hit your targets, he will not stand a chance against you. In practice your high end gear allows you to take a few more shots before dying, or kill someone in slightly less time. This is a real advantage, but it is not enough of an advantage to outclass someone who is more skilled or in a better tactical position, nor should it be. If Militia gear was too weak, new players would not stand a chance. If new players donGÇÖt have any hope of achieving even a small amount of success they will not stick around. They will say GÇ£this sucks!GÇ¥ and leave long before they manage to earn good enough gear to be effective. Remember, you may be raging about dying to a newberry in a match where you went 20/4, but that newberry who got that lucky shot may have gone 1/14 in the same game and that one lucky shot may give him the hope he needs to stick with it. Dust is based on EVEGÇÖs skill and gear development model, where even new players can contribute in a battle. In EVE they may fit scramblers and webs to a cheep frigate to hold a target down while their veteran teammates dish out the damage. In Dust the new players are the basic foot solders(cannon fodder), while the veterans are the commandos or drive the tanks/dropships. Besides, there is going to be a lot more of a difference between someone with 2 years of skill training and T2 gear versus new players in Militia gear than you are seeing now after just a month of skill training, and some Proto gear. To put it in perspective, I just purchased a skill book on my EVE account for 350,000,000 ISK. (It was the Capital Ship skill.) Eventually EVE players will be able to transfer ISK to Dust players. Do you really want expensive gear to guarantee victory?

arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.02.06 16:09:00 - [41] - Quote Gundo Sens wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking. oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P Heya, just wondered if you have a link or anything about this? Or is it from IRC? Ta gundo Yeah, WTH are you referring to that even remotely suggest this.
Mortal Maximus KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 8	Posted - 2013.02.06 17:07:00 - [42] - Quote i only got the militia heavy gear cuz i looked cooler than the regular ones thats why, other than that, there is really no difference i see with the militia and the first or second tier dropsuit modules at all ~.~
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 92	Posted - 2013.02.06 17:11:00 - [43] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: I mean yeah I've gone through games with 20/4 K/D in my loadout but just infuriates me when I get pinged off from a distance by a militia assault rifle You get pinged off from a distance by a militia assault riffle because that's the weakness of your suit/gun combo. Heavy/HMG is king of CQC. But if you're not under proper cover, you're going to get mulched in the open by ARs at range. You're fundamentally complaining about the fact that the game is balanced.
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 186	Posted - 2013.02.06 17:21:00 - [44] - Quote You're getting killed by militia because there are a ton of new players and most are using the militia AR. Older players have the Exile but have moved on to the GEK. Even those who can use GEKs might be saving up ISK or running more low cost suits. if 30% of a team is using Militia AR for whatever reason, and the rest is a distribution of HMG, SMG, Shotgun, Sniper of various levels. Guess what you'll see a lot of deaths from.


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