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Chibi Andy
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.02.06 06:54:00 -
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oh oh oh i have an idea, how about we pit him against zion, imperfects AND serephim in one match and lets see how his "AUR" bought items/dropsuits will hold out against that  |
Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
80
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:14:00 -
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The reason why you're killed by Militia Assault Rifles is not because they're too cheap, or overpowered, it's because everyone and their grandmother is using them. If players have any sense in them, they'll gradually buy new skills, new equipment, dropsuits, modules etc. and eventually discard the militia level stuff. And besides, in the most basic starter fits you are given a militia assault rifle, some of the newberries might not even realize they can switch around their weapons, resulting in them staying forever in militia grade stuff. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:17:00 -
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There's also the fact that when you get the AUR version of something, you usually miss out on 5% of passive bonus from a skill also, required to use the ISK version. So in some cases, the AUR version isn't even as effective as it may have been, had they gone for the ISK version. |
Buzzin Fr0g
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:33:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Quite a few people still use militia gear because they don't want to spend good suits on pub matches or matches that they aren't winning. That doesn't take away from the player's given skills at playing the game though. They may be more prone to dying because instead of say 350 shields they have 200 shields, but if they're any good, there's really no changing that.
I don't really see the point in playing in militia only stuff unless you're fighting a losing battle, to be honest. I like the thrill of the potential for losing my stuff. I agree, I love that there is a consequence to dying in this, which annoys me more that people can play using starting gear where all my gear is from skills and I don't have an advantage, I know thats sounds childish but the point of an MMORPG is that players who put time into the game and get the better gear are better stat wise to people who don't.
You do have an advantage, but it isn't a landslide. In MMOs that rely on "dice roll" systems to calculate hits, in-game stats are the primary determinant in your character's effectiveness. Dust is an MMO, but it's also an FPS, and as such player skill enters into the equation. Both SP/Skills and familiarity with FPS matter. It gives new players at least a chance to be successful in firefights. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:45:00 -
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Quote:Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items.
For starters CPP needs an income and there is no better income then from people fielding 200-300 Aur per death in gear, second Militia gear is crap, please use it as i burn trough in less then a second or before you say "What teh F..'insert your death here"...uck
I am at 42m ISK, have all the skillbooks i need and don't need that i can buy @1.6m SP and run in the most expensive suit i can wear atm, no costs spared (55K ISK a suit) and got 200+ suits in reserve.
The only time i tend to die allot (3-5 times a match) is when i am up against a dedicated team that's using voice to communicate, but even then ive gone trough some teams like they weren't even there and some others had to actively use cover to advance towards my position and sit tight waiting for one of theirs to flank me and these are guys with 3+ mill SP each.
Even if i am not bad at shooters, i am not that good to pull that off in a militia suit with 160 shields vs people with duvvoles & proto suites.
It's one thing seeing a Militias fit shields go down and chew up its armor in 20 rounds vs a seeing a Proto suit turn around after spending a clip in it with half its armor intact and yer stuck reloading and yer thinking aw sh*t i should have gone with a scrambler pistol instead of an SMG and die because of range :p |
Gundo Sens
MK2 Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:45:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking.
oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P
Heya, just wondered if you have a link or anything about this? Or is it from IRC?
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:40:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:since last month and hammered it but just seems like I only get killed by militia, I even tear someone in half with my HMG or he downs me with a militia assault rifle. Maybe I'm just raging but feels pointless spending time skilling up for good gear when in comparison and in game use their as effective as the stuff you started with.
I made a pilot character just to drive a tank, he has no combat skills other than what he maybe had to begin with and I'm fighting on par or better than the people I get put up against. Alright the dropsuit and modules ain't super but the guns are more than enough
trust me high level gear makes a HUGH difference. Should you be spending most of your time in militia gear? hell yes its too easy to get sloppy in high end gear and the pricing makes it impossible to run it all the time(Its supposed to).
when you do find your self needing higher end gear you will be capable of playing on a higher level and you will find your self stomping people in militia gear and those that run almost exclusively high end stuff. |
Jay Sterling
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
13
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:52:00 -
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I couldn't disagree with the OP more - I've got ALL the militia gear and after a couple of weeks you realise how much it sucks - even the dropsuits.
The militia stuff is useful to begin with for hording a few million ISK, but that is it.
As soon as I can by better stuff with ISK it's bye bye to militia stuff forever, believe me.
This game is very well balanced in the sense that it's not pay-to-win, it's pay-to-get-your-goodies-a-little-bit-faster. |
Spaceman-Rob
Galactic Alliance 514
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:08:00 -
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If you run around using milita gear the whole time you can kiss goodbye to a positive kd, you will die, and you will die a lot. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:51:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Why put time into a game I can spend what? 5-7 pounds and be as good as people who have put time into the game? better yet why do that, militia gear is incredibly cheap or even free and is as good as AUR items.
This maybe me ranting but I'm not the only one who see's something wrong with that? why should I bother spending so much isk on a good loadout when I can pick any of the starter kits and kill people as if I'm using a prototype weapon
There is nothing wrong with a better player killing you with an inferior weapon.
There is also nothing wrong with being killed by an inferior weapon in a situation that gives that weapon a tactical advantage.
If you are in high end gear with a high end gun and you face a guy in militia gear of the same type across an open field and you both start shooting at the same time and you both hit your targets, he will not stand a chance against you.
In practice your high end gear allows you to take a few more shots before dying, or kill someone in slightly less time. This is a real advantage, but it is not enough of an advantage to outclass someone who is more skilled or in a better tactical position, nor should it be.
If Militia gear was too weak, new players would not stand a chance. If new players donGÇÖt have any hope of achieving even a small amount of success they will not stick around. They will say GÇ£this sucks!GÇ¥ and leave long before they manage to earn good enough gear to be effective. Remember, you may be raging about dying to a newberry in a match where you went 20/4, but that newberry who got that lucky shot may have gone 1/14 in the same game and that one lucky shot may give him the hope he needs to stick with it.
Dust is based on EVEGÇÖs skill and gear development model, where even new players can contribute in a battle. In EVE they may fit scramblers and webs to a cheep frigate to hold a target down while their veteran teammates dish out the damage. In Dust the new players are the basic foot solders(cannon fodder), while the veterans are the commandos or drive the tanks/dropships.
Besides, there is going to be a lot more of a difference between someone with 2 years of skill training and T2 gear versus new players in Militia gear than you are seeing now after just a month of skill training, and some Proto gear.
To put it in perspective, I just purchased a skill book on my EVE account for 350,000,000 ISK. (It was the Capital Ship skill.) Eventually EVE players will be able to transfer ISK to Dust players. Do you really want expensive gear to guarantee victory? |
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arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:09:00 -
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Gundo Sens wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:also lets at least wait a couple weeks, prototype gear might not even be in the game anymore by then if you listen to how the devs are talking.
oh why oh why is this game open beta allready :P Heya, just wondered if you have a link or anything about this? Or is it from IRC? Ta gundo
Yeah, WTH are you referring to that even remotely suggest this. |
Mortal Maximus
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:07:00 -
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i only got the militia heavy gear cuz i looked cooler than the regular ones thats why, other than that, there is really no difference i see with the militia and the first or second tier dropsuit modules at all ~.~ |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:11:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I mean yeah I've gone through games with 20/4 K/D in my loadout but just infuriates me when I get pinged off from a distance by a militia assault rifle
You get pinged off from a distance by a militia assault riffle because that's the weakness of your suit/gun combo.
Heavy/HMG is king of CQC. But if you're not under proper cover, you're going to get mulched in the open by ARs at range.
You're fundamentally complaining about the fact that the game is balanced. |
Rynx Sinfar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
186
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:21:00 -
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You're getting killed by militia because there are a ton of new players and most are using the militia AR. Older players have the Exile but have moved on to the GEK.
Even those who can use GEKs might be saving up ISK or running more low cost suits.
if 30% of a team is using Militia AR for whatever reason, and the rest is a distribution of HMG, SMG, Shotgun, Sniper of various levels. Guess what you'll see a lot of deaths from. |
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