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ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:55:00 - [1] - Quote [THIS THREAD IS MADE TO BE LINKED] - http://bit.ly/DUST514facts This is DUST 514. There are some rumors, falsities, and complete trolls out there, that may have you confused, and/or disillusioned with this game. They have likely given you bad, or simply wrong information. This thread is to set things straight So from someone who has ACTUALLY played the game, listens and reads official posts and generally isn't a troll... HERE ARE THE FACTS: - This game is FREE to play. No one is/should be making you pay to play this game. - It is NOT pay to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. CCP is very aware of player views on this and are careful with what they offer for real world money. - NO more Re-sets. This is IT people. No more character resets. Your characters and skills are saved. - Updates are FREE. CCP will be updating this game for free. Multiple times. This game will constantly be developed. - Not just for Christmas. DUST 514 has a development plan measured in years. It is also written into, and going to be an integral part of, CCP's other successful game EVE Online. - This is a BETA. This game works! but it is still in development. It is a "true" beta. If you played it a month ago and played it now you would see a marked improvement. No game play feature is set in stone. So if you think something is "Unbalanced" report it. - This is a BETA (again). Needs to be said again. This is not a "finished" game! Game play, textures, balance, content. All are all improving/getting added to. Game stability (lag) is being improved almost weekly. Hope this helped clear things up a bit. Below are some very useful links that might also help. Links: Dust FAQ GamePlay Help Fanfest 2013 I will be updating this post, adding links and generally looking at this thread. If anyone can think of anything to add, post and i will see it
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous SyNergy Gaming 242	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:58:00 - [2] - Quote Preaching to the choir... for the most part anyways
Bigglesworth McQueen On The Brink 43	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote This is truth. I support this post. You should also mention a part of the reasoning behind the SP cap that people moan about. Free to play game relies on marketplace sales to fund development etc. If everyone hit max SP and skilled everything, there would be no need for them to buy AURUM, so development slows. This game is designed to take forever to completely skill into everything. Without an SP cap, it would die fairly quickly.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 444	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:02:00 - [4] - Quote Is this "DUST Facts" in the same way we got "Climate Change Facts" websites?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 413	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:15:00 - [5] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Is this "DUST Facts" in the same way we got "Climate Change Facts" websites? what, stating the obvious and having everyone ignore them?
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:18:00 - [6] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. PAY TO WIN, not PLAY.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:21:00 - [7] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. PAY TO WIN, not PLAY. Woops LOL
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 413	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:29:00 - [8] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. PAY TO WIN, not PLAY. play to win, whoever would have guessed?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:31:00 - [9] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. PAY TO WIN, not PLAY. It's not PLAY to win either. You can create a character and activate passive SP, then just walk away for 6 months, come back and have enough SP for a competent build in whatever area you want to focus on.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 13:31:00 - [10] - Quote I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol

steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2013.02.04 14:05:00 - [11] - Quote its called EvE-online. ... CCP has never charged for new content and i doubt they are going to start anytime soon that would be a huge policy shift that would cause a riot if it ever happened
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 14:18:00 - [12] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: its called EvE-online. ... CCP has never charged for new content and i doubt they are going to start anytime soon that would be a huge policy shift that would cause a riot if it ever happened Yeah i KNOW updates are free... i just cant find a quote lol

GM Unicorn Game Masters C C P Alliance 320	Posted - 2013.02.04 14:47:00 - [13] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol Updates are and will be free, like we do in EVE Online. +1 for this thread!

Pays 2 Win Shining Flame Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:06:00 - [14] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT pay to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. Say it aint so! Say it aint so! Everyone else thinks it is pay to win. Me too! ! The pain! The anguish! The Heartbreak!
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:09:00 - [15] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol Updates are and will be free, like we do in EVE Online. +1 for this post! all the stuff for you my good Unicorn!! Now to link the tread in the thread
Re-FLeX Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 155	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:16:00 - [16] - Quote Good post!, not up to troll standards though....
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:22:00 - [17] - Quote Re-FLeX wrote: Good post!, not up to troll standards though.... Ahh im an old eve player, my trollings fine. I just turned it off for this. Once i have everything linked, and allowed time for people to suggest additions. Il go forth and finalize some threads lol
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1064	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:53:00 - [18] - Quote Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement.
Bigglesworth McQueen On The Brink 43	Posted - 2013.02.04 15:58:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Then instead of pay to win, seeing as though all the items are available to everyone, with or without AUR, you could call it 'pay to use items a week before everyone else'. Kind of like how a premium subscription works. Actually, we should just deactivate the marketplace all together. No more AURUM, let CCP have none of our money, and let the game die because of lack of funds for development. Shut up.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:00:00 - [20] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. If by winning you mean earning SP faster and getting earlier access to stuff, then yeah, pay to win against militia. That equipment doesn't give an advantage over standard fit players. People complain about new players not having a chance. This just helps give them a bit of a boost.

Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 975	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. That's pay to "Do more faster" as the announcer in the war barge states. Pay to Win means that there are powerful assets that can only be purchased with real world funds. There are no such assets in DUST.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 285	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:03:00 - [22] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Your postage is based on 3 false assumptions:- 1) your assuming that skill system makes you a "better player", it doesn't. There is a whole list of cognative errors players make in regards to SP totals. Both in eve and in dust, higher SP totals are not "win", the SP system is designed to limit your progression not empower you later. I could gas on about this but... 2) The items you get in the merc pack have statistical equivilents on the market available in isk. With no exceptions. 3) You believe that AUR items give you some kind of qualitative advantage. It doesn't. All it does is allow you to compete with players who have started sooner than you its a moot point when you start maxing out skills (see 1). The only advantage AUR items genuinely give is it mitigates some of the isk/Death attrition every player feels and replaces it with real money. And Im not really sure thats an advantage, if you think of it as paying a monthly subscription ("im only going to buy one merc pack a month") There is no real difference between this game and a pay at counter title.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:04:00 - [23] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. You realize this thread specifically states you cant buy an in match item with AUR, that doesn't have an equivalent isk item... The only thing your paying for is getting them a little faster Edit: im just going to go and add more examples into the OP
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 243	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:05:00 - [24] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Yea but that isn't Pay to win, it is pay to get ahead. Plenty of players who haven't spent a single AUR in this game and after 2-3 days of setting up their character build properly have had great success with the game.
Pays 2 Win Shining Flame Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:07:00 - [25] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Yea but that isn't Pay to win, it is pay to get ahead. Plenty of players who haven't spent a single AUR in this game and after 2-3 days of setting up their character build properly have had great success with the game. Yo! Gunner! Its dark cloud and he is ALWAYS right. What he has mentioned so far is all Pay 2 Win! Pay 2 Win for the win curtosy Pays 2 Win
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2868	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote Dark Cloud is only human though.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 320	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:12:00 - [27] - Quote I think a lot of problems arise from the fact that development of Dust is taking a very different path from what most people are used to. This is called an open beta right now but traditionally the beta period does not have an impact on what happens after release. This is why it sounds odd to call it a "true beta" and why people are confused about the idea of no future character wipe. There is also confusion over what release means since the game will continue to change after that point (and there is no planned character wipe). What distinguishing characteristic will mark that change? And pay to win is always a tricky argument. Pretty much every Free to Play game has stuff to buy that will give you an advantage over non paying players. Dust will get around that argument quite well once we have a player market that allows us to trade such items for in game currency (but that is going to be a while). Until then there will always be two sides to that argument.
Pays 2 Win Shining Flame Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:13:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dark Cloud is only human though. How dare you say that you mere mortal? Dark Cloud is a God! Show some respect man
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 218	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:13:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dark Cloud is only human though. I dunno, when I was in squad with him, he sounded like the Terminator to me...

GM Unicorn Game Masters C C P Alliance 320	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:39:00 - [30] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: GM Unicorn wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol Updates are and will be free, like we do in EVE Online. +1 for this post! all the stuff for you my good Unicorn!! Now to link the tread in the thread Sorry, I herp derped. I was thinking "+1 to the OP" but I did not write "OP". The +1 are supposed to be for you, not for me :)


ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:40:00 - [31] - Quote Hmm... "OHHH almighty GM overlord! I beseech thee once again!!" \o/ Please...Give this weary soul a concise quotable ruling on CCP's view of "play to win" and micro-transactions!! As of this time i realize CCP's business plans evolve and have to stay uptodate... (You deserved a +1 for answering anyway its all good)
Primarch2 Air Red Alliance 55	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:43:00 - [32] - Quote I'm not paying to play, or paying to progress. or paying for anything. I'm paying to support CCP. most of the stuff I got in my -ú15.99 donation i havent eben looked at yet alone used.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 48	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:48:00 - [33] - Quote This thread needs sticking lol
Tregar Kerrigan Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 36	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:57:00 - [34] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff) now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage. So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Investing money you can ypass the skill system a little bit, but every aurum item has an ISK equivalent that can be used with appropriate skills.
Amorale Lyadstafer Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:58:00 - [35] - Quote Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:01:00 - [36] - Quote Amorale Lyadstafer wrote: Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 218	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:04:00 - [37] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Amorale Lyadstafer wrote: Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. But there are CPU/PG things... CCP removed most, but not all. I think there's an SMG as well as a sidearm damage modifier that has lower CPU/PG requirement as well as being prototype. So I'd say the truth is somewhere in between.
The Infected One CrimeWave Syndicate 127	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:08:00 - [38] - Quote Bump for newberries to see if they are browsing.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 217	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:11:00 - [39] - Quote gbghg wrote: D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. PAY TO WIN, not PLAY. play to win, whoever would have guessed? LMAO
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 217	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:12:00 - [40] - Quote GM Unicorn wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol Updates are and will be free, like we do in EVE Online. +1 for this thread! the methical Unicorn has commented!!! it must be true!!

arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:16:00 - [41] - Quote The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around.
Amorale Lyadstafer Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.02.04 18:03:00 - [42] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Amorale Lyadstafer wrote: Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. Which is still and advantage nonetheless. I'm not telling that it's a huge one, there are games with way heavier business model. My only regret is that CCP didn't make this game with only cosmetic items for AUR.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.04 18:08:00 - [43] - Quote Liked and tagged for later. Stupidity on the part of the player base is what will kill Dust 514. Hopefully this topic will help to stop the tide of lies and misinformation spreading around.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:36:00 - [44] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around. I intend too, every time i see "stupid"
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 217	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:39:00 - [45] - Quote Amorale Lyadstafer wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Amorale Lyadstafer wrote: Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. Which is still and advantage nonetheless. I'm not telling that it's a huge one, there are games with way heavier business model. My only regret is that CCP didn't make this game with only cosmetic items for AUR. i've fought plenty of people who use aur. items. they die like everyone else. it gives a SMALL advantage that goes away at the top tiers of items. have no problem fighting people that use that stuff. if it helps pay for new content it should stay :)
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 61	Posted - 2013.02.05 07:40:00 - [46] - Quote I am so linking this thread to everyone from now on. Must spread awareness!
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.05 07:44:00 - [47] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around. I think I'll take to the habit of doing this. There needs to be information on what they can expect so far from EvE and Dust interactions and details about the importance of corp, then this thread will be a complete "FACTS OF DUST."
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 61	Posted - 2013.02.05 07:46:00 - [48] - Quote Here, I did it: http://bit.ly/DUST514facts easy to paste and click.
Mars El'Theran Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness 52	Posted - 2013.02.05 08:17:00 - [49] - Quote Haven't tried any of the grenades and stuff, but the Dragonfly suit isn't super anything, even if it is alright and free/unlimited. Toxin SMG beats Militia with ease I'll admit, but is subpar to others, and the Raven and Sever suits are just unlimited Standards. Nothing special except they can save you a bit of ISK while allowing you slightly more variation in fit over a Militia variant. The other stuff is limited too; it runs out of you use it. Don't know about the Shotgun, but I assume it is rather like the SMG in impact on the game. I'm just glad nobody gets free LRs or Heavy Suits, or even unlimited Heavy Suits or ARs as yet. I think it is reasonable that those that want to own with them should pay for it. Stil, they own a little too much imo. The Killswitch is a beast. OP marginally or a lot idk, but it is OP and too easy to aquire for that.
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2013.02.05 08:40:00 - [50] - Quote lol @ the argument about pay to win. even if you have the best gear in dust, if you were a 0-22 player when you started, all the gear is going to do is make your negative KDR expensive. the term "Shiny Turd" comes to mind. pay for convenience? sure. pay to win? nope. you show me the nuke that requires AUR with no ISK varient, I'll show you 10 pages of rant threads.

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.05 09:37:00 - [51] - Quote I need links! If you know of an "official" statement, or blog, or dev post, that would fit into the OP point me to it I can only Google so much...
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.05 16:25:00 - [52] - Quote A bit of a shameless bump, but I have generally improved the OP (spelling ftw) and added more links (proof)
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1601	Posted - 2013.02.05 16:40:00 - [53] - Quote Once the player-run secondary market opens us and allows us to sell AUR items like boosters and UVTs, the pay-to-win argument will have its final nail on its coffin. As for the BPO stuff, they don't have much of an advantage over their ISK variants. I don't see any difference between them.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 199	Posted - 2013.02.27 11:37:00 - [54] - Quote The same questions are creeping in again, so i updated the OP
Ludwig Van Beatdropin Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 195	Posted - 2013.02.27 14:19:00 - [55] - Quote Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: This is truth. I support this post. You should also mention a part of the reasoning behind the SP cap that people moan about. Free to play game relies on marketplace sales to fund development etc. If everyone hit max SP and skilled everything, there would be no need for them to buy AURUM, so development slows. This game is designed to take forever to completely skill into everything. Without an SP cap, it would die fairly quickly. Where do people come up with these names? Bigglesworth McQueen! Lololololol
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 656	Posted - 2013.02.27 15:30:00 - [56] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: [THIS THREAD IS MADE TO BE LINKED] - http://bit.ly/DUST514facts HERE ARE THE FACTS: - It is NOT pay to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. CCP is very aware of player views on this and are careful with what they offer for real world money. - NO more Re-sets. This is IT people. No more character resets. Your characters and skills are saved. - Updates are FREE. CCP will be updating this game for free. Multiple times. This game will constantly be developed. - This is a BETA. This game works! but it is still in development. It is a "true" beta. If you played it a month ago and played it now you would see a marked improvement. No game play feature is set in stone. So if you think something is "Unbalanced" report it. - This is a BETA (again). Needs to be said again. This is not a "finished" game! Game play, textures, balance, content. All are improving/getting added to. Game stability (lag) is being improved almost weekly. 1. It has ELEMENTS of P2W. These "cheap" Neo protosuits are just one example, the Killswitch is another. While these items are not better than comparable isk items in the game, they are easier to use. The NEO protosuits only require lvl3, comparable isk item is regular proto suits. Time saved by using these items, 1 month in game. So while not a true P2W, it is a Pay to be better faster (ie: elements of P2W). 2. They have stated no more resets, but they did leave a loophole, so COULD it happen, damn skippy. Will it, doubtful. 3. Yes it is very cool we get free updates to the game. 4&5. This is not a beta anymore. I've been in closed beta for 10+ months and that was a true beta. When you put the game on PSN, advertise it as a F2P and ANYONE can play it, it's not a beta anymore. Just because it isn't a finished game (its all semantics) doesn't mean it's a beta. CCP still works on EVE and says jokingly its still in beta (see the comparisons?). If the product is downloadable by everyone and the company is making money off the product, it's not a beta. By saying its still a beta, all the flaws of the game can be washed away but money can still be made on it. As stated, been in this game for awhile. I'm not dissing the game or the company. I enjoy playing it when I get to, but making excuses (to me, "its a beta" is an excuse) for the VERY slow development time of this sofware shouldnt happen.


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