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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:40:00 -
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Hmm...
"OHHH almighty GM overlord! I beseech thee once again!!" \o/
Please...Give this weary soul a concise quotable ruling on CCP's view of "play to win" and micro-transactions!!
*As of this time i realize CCP's business plans evolve and have to stay uptodate...*
(You deserved a +1 for answering anyway its all good) |
Primarch2
Air Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:43:00 -
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I'm not paying to play, or paying to progress. or paying for anything. I'm paying to support CCP. most of the stuff I got in my -ú15.99 donation i havent eben looked at yet alone used. |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:48:00 -
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This thread needs sticking lol |
Tregar Kerrigan
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:57:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Not pay to win? Hmm let me tell you what i got from merc packs: -all 3 mag variant suits (special offer together with the merc pack) -30 day booster -50 fused locus grenades (still have a nice stack of them and wait for the playermarket) -50 HKM4 prototype shotgun that does not require any SP - dragonfly scout suit - toxin SMG - 50 hacked uplinks 40.000 AUR (of course i got more then that but thats just the regular stuff)
now im aswell aible to buy passive boosters to increase my SP gain even more. Another thing is you can buy weapons which are sooner unlocked then their prototype variants. Like the Killswitch or CBR-7 darkside swarm launcher and other stuff that gives you a advantage.
So with investing money into this game you will have much faster access to better gear and better gear can be purchased even sooner due to the lowered SP requirement. Investing money you can ypass the skill system a little bit, but every aurum item has an ISK equivalent that can be used with appropriate skills. |
Amorale Lyadstafer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:58:00 -
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Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:01:00 -
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Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example.
Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk)
This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear...
Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:04:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it.
But there are CPU/PG things... CCP removed most, but not all. I think there's an SMG as well as a sidearm damage modifier that has lower CPU/PG requirement as well as being prototype.
So I'd say the truth is somewhere in between. |
The Infected One
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:08:00 -
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Bump for newberries to see if they are browsing. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote: - It is NOT play to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else.
PAY TO WIN, not PLAY. play to win, whoever would have guessed?
LMAO |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:12:00 -
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GM Unicorn wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:I'm looking for a link with CCP stating updates are free... cant actually find one lol Updates are and will be free, like we do in EVE Online. +1 for this thread!
the methical Unicorn has commented!!! it must be true!! |
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arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:16:00 -
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The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around. |
Amorale Lyadstafer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:03:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. Which is still and advantage nonetheless. I'm not telling that it's a huge one, there are games with way heavier business model. My only regret is that CCP didn't make this game with only cosmetic items for AUR. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:08:00 -
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Liked and tagged for later. Stupidity on the part of the player base is what will kill Dust 514. Hopefully this topic will help to stop the tide of lies and misinformation spreading around. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
199
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:36:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around.
I intend too, every time i see "stupid" |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:39:00 -
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Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:Stop this demagogy with the game not being pay to win. While it's not completely true, it's not wrong either, since the AUR equipment and boosters do give you advantage over the unwashed masses. AUR equipment either have a slightly better attributes or have lower CPU/PG requirements, which will let you fit better modules/weapons before reaching suits limits. 50% from boosters is quite a big bonus. Sadly this game didn't chose the business model of a DOTA 2 for example. Those slightly differing stats are infact the next "tier" equivalent. (which you can get with isk) This is why there isnt an AUR version on the highest level gear... Aurum gives you things faster. Thats it. Which is still and advantage nonetheless. I'm not telling that it's a huge one, there are games with way heavier business model. My only regret is that CCP didn't make this game with only cosmetic items for AUR.
i've fought plenty of people who use aur. items. they die like everyone else. it gives a SMALL advantage that goes away at the top tiers of items. have no problem fighting people that use that stuff. if it helps pay for new content it should stay :) |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:40:00 -
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I am so linking this thread to everyone from now on. Must spread awareness! |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:44:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:The OP should post this in local chat at least once a day, then maybe you'll have an impact on the rampant misinformation going around. I think I'll take to the habit of doing this.
There needs to be information on what they can expect so far from EvE and Dust interactions and details about the importance of corp, then this thread will be a complete "FACTS OF DUST." |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.02.05 07:46:00 -
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Here, I did it: http://bit.ly/DUST514facts easy to paste and click. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.02.05 08:17:00 -
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Haven't tried any of the grenades and stuff, but the Dragonfly suit isn't super anything, even if it is alright and free/unlimited. Toxin SMG beats Militia with ease I'll admit, but is subpar to others, and the Raven and Sever suits are just unlimited Standards. Nothing special except they can save you a bit of ISK while allowing you slightly more variation in fit over a Militia variant.
The other stuff is limited too; it runs out of you use it.
Don't know about the Shotgun, but I assume it is rather like the SMG in impact on the game.
I'm just glad nobody gets free LRs or Heavy Suits, or even unlimited Heavy Suits or ARs as yet. I think it is reasonable that those that want to own with them should pay for it. Stil, they own a little too much imo.
The Killswitch is a beast. OP marginally or a lot idk, but it is OP and too easy to aquire for that. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2013.02.05 08:40:00 -
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lol @ the argument about pay to win.
even if you have the best gear in dust, if you were a 0-22 player when you started, all the gear is going to do is make your negative KDR expensive.
the term "Shiny Turd" comes to mind.
pay for convenience? sure. pay to win? nope. you show me the nuke that requires AUR with no ISK varient, I'll show you 10 pages of rant threads. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:37:00 -
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I need links!
If you know of an "official" statement, or blog, or dev post, that would fit into the OP point me to it
I can only Google so much... |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
199
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:25:00 -
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A bit of a shameless bump, but I have generally improved the OP (spelling ftw) and added more links (proof) |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:40:00 -
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Once the player-run secondary market opens us and allows us to sell AUR items like boosters and UVTs, the pay-to-win argument will have its final nail on its coffin. As for the BPO stuff, they don't have much of an advantage over their ISK variants. I don't see any difference between them. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
199
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:37:00 -
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The same questions are creeping in again, so i updated the OP |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:19:00 -
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Bigglesworth McQueen wrote:This is truth. I support this post.
You should also mention a part of the reasoning behind the SP cap that people moan about. Free to play game relies on marketplace sales to fund development etc.
If everyone hit max SP and skilled everything, there would be no need for them to buy AURUM, so development slows. This game is designed to take forever to completely skill into everything. Without an SP cap, it would die fairly quickly.
Where do people come up with these names? Bigglesworth McQueen! Lololololol |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
656
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:30:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:[THIS THREAD IS MADE TO BE LINKED] - http://bit.ly/DUST514factsHERE ARE THE FACTS:- It is NOT pay to win. There is nothing in this game, that you can buy, that makes you better than anyone else. CCP is very aware of player views on this and are careful with what they offer for real world money. - NO more Re-sets.This is IT people. No more character resets. Your characters and skills are saved. - Updates are FREE. CCP will be updating this game for free. Multiple times. This game will constantly be developed. - This is a BETA. This game works! but it is still in development. It is a "true" beta. If you played it a month ago and played it now you would see a marked improvement. No game play feature is set in stone. So if you think something is "Unbalanced" report it. - This is a BETA (again). Needs to be said again. This is not a "finished" game! Game play, textures, balance, content. All are improving/getting added to. Game stability (lag) is being improved almost weekly.
1. It has ELEMENTS of P2W. These "cheap" Neo protosuits are just one example, the Killswitch is another. While these items are not better than comparable isk items in the game, they are easier to use. The NEO protosuits only require lvl3, comparable isk item is regular proto suits. Time saved by using these items, 1 month in game. So while not a true P2W, it is a Pay to be better faster (ie: elements of P2W).
2. They have stated no more resets, but they did leave a loophole, so COULD it happen, damn skippy. Will it, doubtful.
3. Yes it is very cool we get free updates to the game.
4&5. This is not a beta anymore. I've been in closed beta for 10+ months and that was a true beta. When you put the game on PSN, advertise it as a F2P and ANYONE can play it, it's not a beta anymore. Just because it isn't a finished game (its all semantics) doesn't mean it's a beta. CCP still works on EVE and says jokingly its still in beta (see the comparisons?).
If the product is downloadable by everyone and the company is making money off the product, it's not a beta. By saying its still a beta, all the flaws of the game can be washed away but money can still be made on it.
As stated, been in this game for awhile. I'm not dissing the game or the company. I enjoy playing it when I get to, but making excuses (to me, "its a beta" is an excuse) for the VERY slow development time of this sofware shouldnt happen.
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