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Iam Krogan
Tuchanka Wrecking Crew
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:20:00 -
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I've been playing with a HMG lately. It's kind of fun, but somehow this combination seems to make me everyone's favorite target. Red dots coming in from front, back and sides, all wanting to kill me. I get swarmed playing the assault AR guy every once in a while, mostly in hotspots, but nothing like this. This seems to be on all the time.
Is it just me? Are you seeing this too?
Any tactics advise? |
Wako 75
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
76
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Posted - 2013.02.03 13:25:00 -
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get a logi but thats the thing with heavys and tanks the bigger the targget the more people go after it thats why i will see like after i kill ten people atleast 3 will go av its funny. but train up field mechanics and just keep using it you will find your style it might just take time. |
KryptixX
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.02.03 14:46:00 -
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Dont run out in the open, make sure cover is close by.
Upgrade to the type II ASAP, speed increase as well as shield tanking is a big upgrade.
Pocket logi's always help, as well as running with any kind of squad.
I prefer damage mods in my high slots, but if you are getting shot from behind often you may want to use shield extenders.
If you are having trouble turning to see people try turning your X sensitivity up a bit. |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:17:00 -
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The better you do in a heavy suit the more you become a target for either a whole squad, or parts of their entire team.
This means you are doing something right. Either that or you are making yourself a bigger target than you need, and people are focusing on you because you are giving them an option to get at you.
Kryptix is correct that you should avoid open spaces, but you should also avoid long lanes, where someone with a sniper or laser can get an unobstructed shot at you for more than 1 second.
In the communications menu, look up a chat channel called logi/heavy, there is normally a logi hanging out at the bar, and it is better to go into battle with a mic-less logi than with no one at all. Even an assault with nanites can be enough, although I would recommend investing some SP in armor repair systems if you plan on playing with guys who only carry nanites.
You already know you are big and slow, and you know that a lot of enemies can survive encounters with you if they can strafe, or jump in and out of cover. Don't let them get away with this. If you can, work with a wall on one side, to prevent the enemy from circling you in at least one direction. Backing yourself into a corner may seem stupid, but there are some very rare times where ti will prevent the squad that just rounded the corner from being able to surround and destroy you. If an enemy is using cover, close the distance, but do not chase them around that corner. What you want is for him to duck into cover with a heavy 15m away, then the next time he pops out, you are 5m away. Use caution against shotgun troops. This ends in a face wiping if you don't realize what you are fighting against.
Yes, you are slow. Very slow if you run armor plate. This doesn't mean that you should stand still to shoot. In fact, the more you keep moving with the HMG, the better, because once you start firing, they start flanking. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:54:00 -
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Very good explanation as a logi/heavy +1 |
Iam Krogan
Tuchanka Wrecking Crew
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:12:00 -
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Thanks for great advise. I'm sure it helps other noob heavies too.
I think I figured it out now with some trial and error. Basically I was trying to play solo assault, because that's what I thought I had seen other heavies do. Didn't quite work out. 
I don't have the type II armor yet. I decided to drop the extra armor plates to get better mobility, instead I have an armor repairer and shield extender and recharger. I peek around a corner and fire short bursts, then go back in cover for shield recharge. And it seems a lot of people haven't figured out yet that coming around the corner is a bad idea if there's a HMG guy waiting for you. 
Now I just wish more people would carry nanohives with them... |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.02.03 17:20:00 -
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Iam Krogan wrote:I've been playing with a HMG lately. It's kind of fun, but somehow this combination seems to make me everyone's favorite target. Red dots coming in from front, back and sides, all wanting to kill me. I get swarmed playing the assault AR guy every once in a while, mostly in hotspots, but nothing like this. This seems to be on all the time.
Is it just me? Are you seeing this too?
Any tactics advise?
I hate heavies. I try to focus them every time I see them, and I know most people in my squad like to do the same.
I hate heavies
I hate heavies
I hate heavies
I hate heavies
I hate heavies
and I hope you all get nerfed and die in a fire ^__________________^
But seriously, I hope that answers your question. You probably will get red dots from everywhere trying to kill you. The only target that is slightly more fun to kill are those proto red line snipers.
Also, do what KryptixX said :P |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.03 18:04:00 -
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Iam Krogan wrote:Thanks for great advise. I'm sure it helps other noob heavies too. I think I figured it out now with some trial and error. Basically I was trying to play solo assault, because that's what I thought I had seen other heavies do. Didn't quite work out. I don't have the type II armor yet. I decided to drop the extra armor plates to get better mobility, instead I have an armor repairer and shield extender and recharger. I peek around a corner and fire short bursts, then go back in cover for shield recharge. And it seems a lot of people haven't figured out yet that coming around the corner is a bad idea if there's a HMG guy waiting for you. Now I just wish more people would carry nanohives with them...
Peak and fire is a great tactic, but try not to forget that your weapon is very, very inaccurate on short bursts. Those first 20 rounds go every direction within your aiming circle, and you will need up to a half second with the standard HMG to get rounds consistently on target at anything over 30m.
What this normally means is that if you are running a shield heavy fit, that you stay out shooting until your shields are almost gone, then pop back into cover. This is where having a logi with you comes into play. Logi with a good rep means you can be exposed to shoot slightly longer, or can trade more damage with the enemies in front of you.
You might consider dropping the shield extender for a complex damage mod. 10% more DPS goes a long way towards dropping hordes that are swarming you, more so than 22 shield HP is going to save you. With circuitry to level 3 you can run a complex damage mod, MH82, and an armor plate, which makes for a great setup if running with a logi. You don't get a sidearm, but you shouldn't need one anyway. You might have to drop your grenades to if you are short on CPU, but if that is the case, I would stick with the standard HMG until you get more levels into either circuitry, or HMG Upgrade to reduce the CPU consumption/boost output. |
Templar Eight
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:24:00 -
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I use heavy's and I get a lot of hate in the battlefield =) |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
47
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:09:00 -
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Speaking as a HMG heavy myself I find it is case of 'oh shi- heavy HMG! take him down or he will mow us down" it's a case of tactics, aim for the bigger threat. Plus you gotta think, your slower moving than other people so your less likely to get behind cover if your caught in the open. |
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Kombaticus Maximus
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.04 14:41:00 -
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All good tips above. I am also a heavy and here are some tactics I use, I go into a map knowing the sections I will patrol using cover and sticking close to teammates. Keep an eye on your ammo its your lifeblood and plan your ammo supply route or find nanohive sooner than later. You can cause TONS of damage and so you will be primary get used to it, tactics and team work is name of game for any class/fitting. |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
54
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:11:00 -
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On the subject of survivability, anybody drop some SP into rapid reload? Could I get a noticeable change from a level, or should I wait and throw three in a week or two, after investing in HMG sharpshooter first? |
Rynx Sinfar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
185
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:38:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:On the subject of survivability, anybody drop some SP into rapid reload? Could I get a noticeable change from a level, or should I wait and throw three in a week or two, after investing in HMG sharpshooter first?
I put one in reload and I noticed a slight difference. I'd probably wait to put 2-3 in. Fact is if you find yourself low on a clip and have to hide while you're reloading, the decrease absolutely could have saved me a couple times. With that said though, I don't know if it is enough to warrant it over something else that might save me more.
Personally I love sharpshooter but I spent a lot of time with a rifle and had trouble adjusting to the new range. To me range is a pseudo replacement for speed because if you can't reach an area at least you can affect it.
Also what are the advantages of the MH82? I've been focusing on Circuitry but I am about to put more into my defenses and I'm trying to decide how far to go there before I put some more in weapons. (Field mechanics just about topped off, level 3 shield enhancement(? first one)) |
GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
54
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:35:00 -
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Rynx Sinfar wrote:
Also what are the advantages of the MH82? I've been focusing on Circuitry but I am about to put more into my defenses and I'm trying to decide how far to go there before I put some more in weapons. (Field mechanics just about topped off, level 3 shield enhancement(? first one))
MH-82 has a slightly longer ranger (+3-5m)
slightly less heat build up (+1 per S I think)
and more damage(+0.8)
all for only 30k ISK more per unit. |
DJINN Kujo
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:48:00 -
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The thing about the heavies now is that they are extremely potent against a lot of players, the open beta testers and myself dependent on the skill level of the Heavy I go to toe to toe with. However, if you want to live longer get a logi to run with you. But at the end of the day, a lot of heavies will soon hate themselves and shoot themselves in the foot if allowed as players progress in the game. This happens every reset, Heavies are untouchable at the beginning simply because you can't do enough damage to them without dying in the process. Just remember, as players like myself (Assault) or even more abroad, as players spec into using the Duvolle with Proficiency skills specced into it, a lot of heavies will start to melt! |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
47
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:35:00 -
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Speaking as a heavy I find by hugging cover and trying to flank people is a good way to rack up kills and assists, if you spot a fire fight, try get around them while your team keeps their attention. No one likes being caught between a heavy and a firing squad |
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