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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:18:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Skihids wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
Will there be griefing? Yes. It's inevitable. Happens in most games, but with FF there will be a recourse to retaliate.
And the griefer with a full BPO suit will dance and laugh as you chase him around the map for killing your proto suit or stealing your Sagaris only to run it into the red zone. It's attention and tears that they crave and your attempts at retaliation will just fuel their desires. I see you using the ever popular 1 v 1 concept for your argument. Players, who actually play as a team, will figure out rather quickly, by watching battle feeds and through direct experience, who a TKer is in their current match and will declare them as a target to their squad, if not their whole team. Then the TKer will have blues and reds hunting them. TKing will have much higher risks than many believe. All these calls for penalties just shows me that many people lack critical thinking. When FF goes live and you get intentionally TKed, how about you just remember who it is so you can gank them whenever you see them or even, *gasp* dare I suggest it, offer a reward for confirmed TK kills against the person who Intentionally TKed you to a state of QQ.
and thus the lynch mob formed... |
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:27:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:gbghg wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Skihids wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:
Will there be griefing? Yes. It's inevitable. Happens in most games, but with FF there will be a recourse to retaliate.
And the griefer with a full BPO suit will dance and laugh as you chase him around the map for killing your proto suit or stealing your Sagaris only to run it into the red zone. It's attention and tears that they crave and your attempts at retaliation will just fuel their desires. I see you using the ever popular 1 v 1 concept for your argument. Players, who actually play as a team, will figure out rather quickly, by watching battle feeds and through direct experience, who a TKer is in their current match and will declare them as a target to their squad, if not their whole team. Then the TKer will have blues and reds hunting them. TKing will have much higher risks than many believe. All these calls for penalties just shows me that many people lack critical thinking. When FF goes live and you get intentionally TKed, how about you just remember who it is so you can gank them whenever you see them or even, *gasp* dare I suggest it, offer a reward for confirmed TK kills against the person who Intentionally TKed you to a state of QQ. and thus the lynch mob formed... Exactly.
you will give 11 year old TK'ers from cod heart attacks |
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:15:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Enabling FF will not work and it will accomplish what CCP does not want, which is a lot of dedicated DUST players will rethink their priorities. It will be fine with me because I have plenty of games to play that are significantly better RPGs. RPGs that are not choked by the seven year plan of CCP. It will reconfirm my opinion of back shooters like you and the filth that haunt FPSs.
The goons will love it and DUST will become an unplayable mess.
May you be the first to die by Friendly Fire. It's funny how every the carebears come in and start spreading the same FUD about griefing in every FPS forum. Yet I've never played an FPS which is ruined by FF - and every single FF mode is better then the one without. Us pro-FF players are not griefers, and there are plenty of reasons to desire FF as listed in the OP, and in numerous follow-ups by me and others. What??? So, you think FF will greatly improve the gameplay of Dust?? The difference between FF in other shooters and Dust is that a death means nothing in other shooters but it means ISK and aur loss here. And people don't mind dying but to get TKed from a troll and lose that currency is NOT cool. And that's the sole reason why I'm against FF in Dust. It isn't cool to lose a dropsuit cause a blue want the hacking points. Or, because he feel like you shouldn't hack the CRU cause he wants to cap it. FF isn't going to positively impact gameplay. There are other additions that CCP should implement like a good SP system, faster gameplay, faster player movements, more players per battle, etc. How can FF even compare to those when talking about improving gameplay?? Hell, even graphics ranks higher than adding FF. In terms of impacting gameplay, FF ranks with adding debris flying in the air.
i'm going to interject here.
First off the stuff you're complaining about, FF in pub matches? most people will be running militia or basic suits, say around 30000 isk at most, you get TK'ed well there goes 30000 isk, but even the worst players are earning 100k isk per match, and decent players at least 300k, so the argument about loss of isk doesn't really hold weight, you can earn back that money quite quickly. Now if i lost a proto fit to FF i would be pissed, but the only time you're gonna see proto suit's is corp battles, which brings me to my second point.
Corp battles are the biggest reason there is to implement FF, the number of options it offer corp's to screw with each other in the middle of fights is huge and is true New Eden style. if you're losing huge amounts of isk to a couple of well placed traitors, well that's crap for your team, and a huge advantage to your enemies. FF in this situation would mean that Dust is a proper part of the EVE universe and grants corp's a range of options you don't see in a normal FPS which is one of the biggest draws of Dust, it's different and everything you do has some form of impact no matter how small.
And thirdly would you please tell me what FF enabled game's you have played, how long you have played them, and how many times you have been TK'ed in that time. Because i personally have been playing hardcore battlefield for 5 years now and have only been maliciously TK about 6 times
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:41:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:I'll just note (probably I'm not the first one in this thread) that CCP does not plan to turn on FF in pub matches (I think it was stated in one of the interviews).
That said, if you are getting intentionally TKed in corp battles, well, there is a black sheep in your flock. This is New Eden. Spies happen. Your problem that you didn't figure the mole by yourself.
You remember where that interview was? if so I'd appreciate a link |
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Posted - 2013.02.03 22:27:00 -
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addsta01 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:"Ruin the fun"?? FF was never here, yet you're still playing this game. This isn't about removing FF but adding it. You didn't downloand Dust and said, "Yes! They have friendly fire...I can't wait to play it". You dl'ed dust for other reasons. I never say this but if you want FF, then you should go and play the games that has FF No, it's not there yet. The key word being yet. And yet I see you haven't actually read everything I've been saying, or you have been reading and just not understanding. One point is that there's a possibility that it will be implemented over all, and not just in faction/corp warfare. Another point is that malicious TKing won't be as big of an issue as many think. There are many FF enabled games that don't have extreme penalties where TKing is not some game killing epidemic. And yet again another point is that there is no evidence that I can find where TKing is ruining, or has ruined, a game that has allowed FF therfore leaving most of these arguments against FF baseless. Like gbghg said... gbghg wrote:most people will be running militia or basic suits, say around 30000 isk at most, you get TK'ed well there goes 30000 isk, but even the worst players are earning 100k isk per match, and decent players at least 300k, so the argument about loss of isk doesn't really hold weight, you can earn back that money quite quickly. Now if i lost a proto fit to FF i would be pissed, but the only time you're gonna see proto suit's is corp battles, If you take more costly gear into pub matches, then that's all on you. One point is that there's a possibility that it will be implemented over all, and not just in faction/corp warfare. Another point is that malicious TKing won't be as big of an issue as many think. There are many FF enabled games that don't have extreme penalties where TKing is not some game killing epidemic. And yet again another point is that there is no evidence that I can find where TKing is ruining, or has ruined, a game that has allowed FF therfore leaving most of these arguments against FF baseless. Where have you been under a rock...duno what games you have been playing??? If you take more costly gear into pub matches, then that's all on you Then why am i gaining sp to not use good gear?? If theres restictions to holding one back because of other jackasses doing stupid s**t then WTF going on? thats just crap.
Invest your sp into core skills that improve all your kit, like the CPU/PG upgrades and basic weapon skills like sharpshooter or rapid reload. you use upgraded gear in fights that count, not some random pub. |
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