just hear me out, so as i was board and had some money on hand i want skill book shoping buyed a most of the skill books i can get and dump my skill points more or less evenly and tested the hmg and going to test few others as well, now i have not played a lot a shooters after the "golden days"( if you will) but this gun has no delay i mean non at all and i was able to get my first blood more or less right out of the gate now i just started using it but maybe a delay of sort like a real hmg or gattling gun would at least keep the qqing on the down low other wise it seems like a fair gun (and i keep in mine that i have 154 deaths and 19 kills so i may not be the best to judge)

i am trying to say is it not so much the stats but more that its too user frieandly me thinks and that it althought you cant go rambo do to the over heat, its open for First Order Optimal Strategies with is a good thing and bad thing.

just hear me out, so as i was board and had some money on hand i want skill book shoping buyed a most of the skill books i can get and dump my skill points more or less evenly and tested the hmg and going to test few others as well, now i have not played a lot a shooters after the "golden days"( if you will) but this gun has no delay i mean non at all and i was able to get my first blood more or less right out of the gate now i just started using it but maybe a delay of sort like a real hmg or gattling gun would at least keep the qqing on the down low other wise it seems like a fair gun (and i keep in mine that i have 154 deaths and 19 kills so i may not be the best to judge)

The heavy at present will of course feel a bit OP, as there is a bunch of new folk in militia suits, only starting to learn the game. It does not need a nerf or extra added like 'spool up'. Just learn it's strengths and weakness'.

There are plenty of threads on this. the OP might want to try the search next.

Real HMGs are more or less instant fire. Once the trigger is pulled, the bolt which is generally in the open position will shoot forward loading a round and firing it. Modern day Gatling guns, like the Vulcan or the Minigun, have about 0.3 of a second between pulling the trigger and the gun firing full auto. Seen as this a wee it in the future this would be further refined.

The heavy at present will of course feel a bit OP, as there is a bunch of new folk in militia suits, only starting to learn the game. It does not need a nerf or extra added like 'spool up'. Just learn it's strengths and weakness'.

the heavy will feel OP to a newberry when people like me are running a A-type with enhanced damage mods, an MH-82 HMG and 2x complex armor reps for max recovery. Of course it will feel OP until they get into an A-type assault suit with a GEK-38 and complex shield extenders or damage mods with reps in the lows.

the heavy will feel OP to a newberry when people like me are running a A-type with enhanced damage mods, an MH-82 HMG and 2x complex armor reps for max recovery. Of course it will feel OP until they get into an A-type assault suit with a GEK-38 and complex shield extenders or damage mods with reps in the lows.

thanks four you imput and updating my gun knowledge (here in canada it a pain in the ass to get a gun, so first hand experans is low in none)

hey now im not a newberry i just suck and i think i have die to everything perrty evenly besides av's as i love playing chicken with them...

Rock. paper, scissors.

HMG is fine.








For the next bunny to post an OP thread in general discussion, lets make a blackbook thread and put them on it and hunt them down in-game every chance we can. There is a "feedback" forum, please go there with your unsubstantiated claims of OP.

i would not say it was qq jerkfest sota it was more me going by what it fealt like being a heavy for the frist time not the best way to test some thing but not the worse ether

Ah - I didn't mean this thread in particular. There's a lot of these. Just them in general. Didn't mean any offense.

Though i wont say the gun is OP, it does have a few minor issues.

First off not a newbie so thats clear. Now when the standard, not adv or proto HMG is cutting me down from the hills above the retaining wall by B on the 4 letter map to inside and under the buidling by charlie thats a bit of a range issue even when im behind cover, using tactics and etc etc etc, its not my first rodeo so dont bother with the dumb commentary.

Another distance equivalent would be from the opening of the dividing wall above A on the same map to the top of the hill just above next to the tower closer to to D is a bit of a range issue. This well into the mid/mid-long terriorty and the absolute dumbfounding notion that the accuracy of the weapon is higher than AR's and maintains a higher and tighter cone the longer you hold the tirgger when the cone should be wider and sloppier (as any broadside, street sweeping close range destroy and shatter multiple enemies at will weapon should) the mechanics and statistics of the HMG weapon is simply off.




That said Heavies themselves are not OP in fact id say they are UP. The dropsuit needs more buff but that weapons class definitely needs a tweak in range, accuracy. With that change an increased RPM across the board and a slightly longer time to overheat to compensate for the reduction in accuracy and you have a true balanced "MINIGUN" the thing spools is it s a chain/gattling/minigun NOT an HMG.

If there's an OP weapon in the game right now, then it's the Militia Shotgun.

I went 19-1 on my first try with that thing as a logi.

I felt soooo bad.

If there's an OP weapon in the game right now, then it's the Militia Shotgun.

I went 19-1 on my first try with that thing as a logi.

I felt soooo bad.

I am just now discovering this fact for myself...

If Heavy/HMG does somehow get nerfed, I'm finding the play style transfers very easily over to Scout/Shotty. Playing as Heavy teaches you to use cover or die, and that skill has a pretty wide application.

maybe my title was not the best but rethinking abit it still a meat grinder of a weapon (as it should be but a on off delay would be nice) it not the god bomb that everyone says it is (i can hear the snipers say "look at that big fat boy yum") and like i said it was a.o.m.s (second blood was mine to a sniper)

just hear me out, so as i was board and had some money on hand i want skill book shoping buyed a most of the skill books i can get and dump my skill points more or less evenly and tested the hmg and going to test few others as well, now i have not played a lot a shooters after the "golden days"( if you will) but this gun has no delay i mean non at all and i was able to get my first blood more or less right out of the gate now i just started using it but maybe a delay of sort like a real hmg or gattling gun would at least keep the qqing on the down low other wise it seems like a fair gun (and i keep in mine that i have 154 deaths and 19 kills so i may not be the best to judge)

just hear me out

A few people have mentioned the lack of a firing delay. The HMG has a cointerrotaion system that offsets the torque caused by the barrels spoiling up to full speed almost instantly. This is why the gun suffers a noticible loss of accuracy when you start first start firing.

It's illogical to say there's a rock paper scissors mechanic of any kind working here. Any weapon can take out any weapon. Heavies give an advantage to that weapon, and that advantage best serves the HMG who uses raw firepower to mow down enemies at a decent distance. There's a certain way every heavy needs to play to be consider decent - and guess what, with the maps out right now it's very easy to figure out corners = you ganna mess people up. If every map was wide open terrain we wouldn't be seeing any of these damn QQing session for nerfing the HMG. You'd be laughing at our fat asses trying to get closer to make it nearly as effective as the AR.

If you want a decent complaint to the HMG - ask CCP the statistics to the maps that show what weapon where is killing and discover if it's truly OP or people are morons coming to close to them in closed areas.

[quote=Panoscape]Rock. paper, scissors.


a little too soon to make a hit list of sorts dont you think? also im a crash test dummy i live to be killed

also i was going by what it feels like then and there more or less with the mind set discusssed in extra credits 2 part video: Playing Like a Designer

i would not say it was qq jerkfest sota it was more me going by what it fealt like being a heavy for the frist time not the best way to test some thing but not the worse ether

please read the first page befor you rip my a** to ribbons you guys, i mean come on it was my first time being a heavy.,...

I wouldn't take it personally man. The internet can be a pretty nasty place.

That being said, you really ought to test stuff out outside of pubmatches. Blueberries have a tendency to run headfirst into everything and get shot full of holes no matter what the enemy is using.

I wouldn't take it personally man. The internet can be a pretty nasty place.

That being said, you really ought to test stuff out outside of pubmatches. Blueberries have a tendency to run headfirst into everything and get shot full of holes no matter what the enemy is using.

i am still stuck in an NPC corp, cant get out of pub matches

please read the first page befor you rip my a** to ribbons you guys, i mean come on it was my first time being a heavy.,...