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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:50:00 -
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Ali Mar Sveinsson 1:15 Role on the Battlefield
Give us more power don't give us the big nerfs.. The above is what I love about CCP and has kept me playing EVE for 5going on 6yrs..
Dust so far is the same way (Lets talk heavies since they seem to be the popular nerf discussion)
I personally can't stand heavies they **** me off because of how much damage they do and how much damage they can take... But this is their job and I can work around them in order to kill them.. (I'm sure the same is said about MD users)
Ive become pretty efficient with the MD and I can kill a heavy in 4-5 rounds 1v1 (Some may say that's cause you're a MD user, or some may say that's to many MD it should be 2-3) I don't think so at all... If anything it should take a bit more and may if that heavy is focused trained in armor/HMG..
Now keep in mind that's 1v1 if i have a corpy or even a pub assault along my side shooting at the same heavy, I can successfully suppress and/or kill him in 2 rounds...
I know the whole NERF topic has been discussed multiple times all im asking is to keep the above in the back of your mind. Find where you think the "classes" should be at, then tweak/add modules so we can evolve our builds accordingly...
Prime example I have a solo MD/Ambush build and a Corp match/skirmish assault MD build.. Either one Id be able to take down an infamous "heavy" but each one I would have to adjust my approach and play style..
I'm not saying the builds aren't versatile as is I agree some tweaks are needed but don't nerf one individual "class" tweak our possible builds so we personally give that class a challenge. Similar to what you guys did recently in Retribution and ship re balancing. I don't see anything wrong as is, with any of the generic classes lets just continue to evolve! |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:57:00 -
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Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:04:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
Provide a comparison for me, because im 30yrs old and have played everything from old school Rainbow Six to black ops..
I don't see how heavies are unbalanced, actually I take that back.. If you compare Dust to the "every day FPS game" Sure its unbalanced but this isn't your ordinary FPS game and I have no problem killing heavies... ****, a hardcore COD fan boy local friend of mine hates dying by a heavy but once he understood his class he has dropped many of them, and it feels good to drop a heavy..
I don't want an FPS where every class is equal, what would be the point then.. ? |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:05:00 -
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if there so unbalanced which they're not you'd see nothing but heavies which isn't the case mostly it's scout and assaults with about 4 heavies out of 16 ppl. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:06:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console. Provide a comparison for me, because im 30yrs old and have played everything from old school Rainbow Six to black ops.. I don't see how heavies are unbalanced, actually I take that back.. If you compare Dust to the "every day FPS game" Sure its unbalanced but this isn't your ordinary FPS game and I have no problem killing heavies... ****, a hardcore COD fan boy local friend of mine hates dying by a heavy but once he understood his class he has dropped many of them, and it feels good to drop a heavy.. I don't want an FPS where every class is equal, what would be the point then.. ?
he wants you to play modern warfare 2...... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:10:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:if there so unbalanced which they're not you'd see nothing but heavies which isn't the case mostly it's scout and assaults with about 4 heavies out of 16 ppl. people complain because at this point after the reset heavy's are punching well above their weight |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:10:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote: Ive become pretty efficient with the MD and I can kill a heavy in 4-5 rounds 1v1 (Some may say that's cause you're a MD user, or some may say that's to many MD it should be 2-3) I don't think so at all... If anything it should take a bit more and may if that heavy is focused trained in armor/HMG..
Killing a heavy in 4-5 rounds of a MD is not efficient. You should be able to do it in 2-3. With that big body of his it should not be too hard to land a direct hit on a heavy. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:12:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
I've been mainly an FPS player since Wolfenstein 3D was released. You are conflating rock/paper/scissors mechanics of Dust with "unbalanced". Heavies are supposed to wtfpwn you in face-to-face confrontation in the open. If you go against a heavy in a scout suit like that, the only one to blame for your failure is you. Pick your fights - this is not a twitch FPS, but an MMOFPS with more refined gameplay than who hits first.
Heavies are fine. Here's why they should be kept as is. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:12:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:bolsh lee wrote: Ive become pretty efficient with the MD and I can kill a heavy in 4-5 rounds 1v1 (Some may say that's cause you're a MD user, or some may say that's to many MD it should be 2-3) I don't think so at all... If anything it should take a bit more and may if that heavy is focused trained in armor/HMG..
Killing a heavy in 4-5 rounds of a MD is not efficient. You should be able to do it in 2-3. With that big body of his it should not be too hard to land a direct hit on a heavy.
Oh sorry, you must have amazing aim.... I apologize... If you can get 2-3 direct hits on a heavy while dodging his spray you are god like sir you better be at the top of the e-peen boards!! Id rather not rely on direct hits in the middle of a fire fight its about team work and suppression... An assault and I can knock a heavy's **** in the dirt with 2 AOE shots from myself... |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:14:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
Heavies dont scale up as much as all of the other suits. Wait until more advs and protos drop. Heavies can already easily get chewed up, and anything past the type-II is garbage. So you want them nerf'd more? |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:17:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote: Oh sorry, you must have amazing aim.... I apologize... If you can get 2-3 direct hits on a heavy while dodging his spray you are god like sir you better be at the top of the e-peen boards!!
Actually I am . Go check the KD leaderboards and scroll all the way the 90-100. You will find me there.
Typical troll. Each MD round does 240 base damage. That with 10% weaponry takes it to 264. 264*3 is 792 total damage. More than enough to take out a heavy. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
35
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:21:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:bolsh lee wrote: Oh sorry, you must have amazing aim.... I apologize... If you can get 2-3 direct hits on a heavy while dodging his spray you are god like sir you better be at the top of the e-peen boards!!
Actually I am . Go check the KD leaderboards and scroll all the way the 90-100. You will find me there. Typical troll. Each MD round does 240 base damage. That with 10% weaponry takes it to 264. 264*3 is 792 total damage. More than enough to take out a heavy.
LOL Thanks for doing the obvious math who said it wasn't enough to kill a heavy ? Learn to read bro.. I guess i shouldn't even of compared the heavy class in this post it catches the simple minded people like yourself who can't give **** for input.. |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
92
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:30:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
Been doing some experimenting on my own, since I've been a dedicated heavy for a while. I began thinking, maybe heavy really is imbalanced. Maybe my success really is just a function of HP and DPS.
So I made a militia-fit Shotty Scout suit, and started playing it using the same cover tactics that I use while playing heavy. My K/D ratio and usual max kill count stayed the same, and slaughtering other heavies was hilariously easy (aim the barrel of the shotgun at the back of their neck). Cheaper deaths, too.
My conclusion: either Shotty Scouts need a nerf too, or heavy whiners need to HTFU.
I'll be trying Laser or Mass Driver Logi next. I imagine I'll feel that Logi needs a nerf too by the time I'm done with it. Or it could be that other, truly insidious possibility: the game might actually be balanced. |
zyljan
The Vanguard II
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:38:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console. Been doing some experimenting on my own, since I've been a dedicated heavy for a while. I began thinking, maybe heavy really is imbalanced. Maybe my success really is just a function of HP and DPS. So I made a militia-fit Shotty Scout suit, and started playing it using the same cover tactics that I use while playing heavy. My K/D ratio and usual max kill count stayed the same, and slaughtering other heavies was hilariously easy (aim the barrel of the shotgun at the back of their neck). Cheaper deaths, too. My conclusion: either Shotty Scouts need a nerf too, or heavy whiners need to HTFU. I'll be trying Laser or Mass Driver Logi next. I imagine I'll feel that Logi needs a nerf too by the time I'm done with it. Or it could be that other, truly insidious possibility: the game might actually be balanced.
Shush you! no nerfing my shotty scout..most fun class in the game atm. |
birdog's duster
Nevec Task Force Orbis Imperialis
13
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:46:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console. The game is not unbalanced, your squad is. I can take out a heavy in 2 to 5 hits depending on which sniper rifle I play with, I love seeing a fatso out in the open trying to sprint away after my Thale's rifle has stripped his shields and most of his armour.
So in this thread you can already see that MDs, shotty scouts and snipers can all solo a heavy, that's before you add in team work, turrets, tanks and LAVs. Start thinking about the game, Dust is so much more than point and shoot, it takes intelligence to play this game. |
Xavier Calyxes
Calyxes Academy Calyxes
5
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:59:00 -
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First off all, why is heavies a problem? I see alot of peoplejust running and going 1v1 against a heavie and get splatterd all over the walls. Is that the heavy suit guys fault? Imo, a heavy suit should be counterd by kiting. I've run against heavies, and know that placing your self openly in the midst of his gunfire is just plain stupid. But does it call for a nerf? Not by a long shot. A good machinegunner is no matter what he does, going to be slow. People should think more of their realtime strategy and teamplay, than looking for a way to tell CCP about nerfing heavies. I however will never run in a heavie suit myself as its too slow. they should get a movment speed buff, so i migth consider using them more |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:07:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
wrong. because user skill will never be even. as long as their is a counter and weaknesses for every class its fine. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:07:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console. I disagree. I play FPS games and I think the Heavy is fine, if not easy to kill. You just have to fight them on your own terms, not on their terms.
This post was great. Quit worrying about all this nerf and balance talk, and give us powerful weapons that kill people and let us go at each other. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:14:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:bolsh lee wrote: Oh sorry, you must have amazing aim.... I apologize... If you can get 2-3 direct hits on a heavy while dodging his spray you are god like sir you better be at the top of the e-peen boards!!
Actually I am . Go check the KD leaderboards and scroll all the way the 90-100. You will find me there. Typical troll. Each MD round does 240 base damage. That with 10% weaponry takes it to 264. 264*3 is 792 total damage. More than enough to take out a heavy.
i heard u were also #1 on the we are stupid and our corp got robbed boards too. hehehehe. some heavies have more than 800 health genius. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:21:00 -
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My medic fit will one-shot a heavy if I can sneak in behind him.
If anything, Heavies need a little help. (Or the militia shotgun needs a cut on it's raw power. I'd bee totally cool with that too.) |
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:22:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:bolsh lee wrote: Oh sorry, you must have amazing aim.... I apologize... If you can get 2-3 direct hits on a heavy while dodging his spray you are god like sir you better be at the top of the e-peen boards!!
Actually I am . Go check the KD leaderboards and scroll all the way the 90-100. You will find me there. Typical troll. Each MD round does 240 base damage. That with 10% weaponry takes it to 264. 264*3 is 792 total damage. More than enough to take out a heavy. Uhm... not really.
Both of my heavy fits pre-open beta ran 800+
My armor set literally had 999 EHP.
EDIT: Derp. I was never in the Alpha. |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:33:00 -
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the DPS heavies deal is insane...
but imho there are more important stuff I would take care off: -a shotgun that is supposed be a close range weapon deals more damage than a SMG at medium range -scrambler pistol headshot damage |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:53:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:My medic fit will one-shot a heavy if I can sneak in behind him.
If anything, Heavies need a little help. (Or the militia shotgun needs a cut on it's raw power. I'd bee totally cool with that too.)
militia shotgun=bane of the heavy |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:59:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Uhm... not really.
Both of my heavy fits pre-alpha ran 800+
My armor set literally had 999 EHP.
LOL. Shield Heavies. Flux grenades + MD = 2 shots. Get real dude |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:00:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote: i heard u were also #1 on the we are stupid and our corp got robbed boards too. hehehehe. some heavies have more than 800 health genius.
Monkey see monkey do. Congrats on joining the elite club |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:00:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:Uhm... not really.
Both of my heavy fits pre-alpha ran 800+
My armor set literally had 999 EHP. LOL. Shield Heavies. Flux grenades + MD = 2 shots. Get real dude That's still 870+ on my armor set. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:14:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:if there so unbalanced which they're not you'd see nothing but heavies which isn't the case mostly it's scout and assaults with about 4 heavies out of 16 ppl.
Compare that to the battles I fought yesterday where 9 out of 10 players were Heavies. That might have something to do with the forum madness though, and that someone basically told everyone how to spec one. |
Walker Burcham
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:42:00 -
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Mars El'Theran wrote:Sobriety Denied wrote:if there so unbalanced which they're not you'd see nothing but heavies which isn't the case mostly it's scout and assaults with about 4 heavies out of 16 ppl. Compare that to the battles I fought yesterday where 9 out of 10 players were Heavies. That might have something to do with the forum madness though, and that someone basically told everyone how to spec one.
It's a flavor of the month, once defeating them is common knowledge (hrm, I wonder what rips through shields, or what rips through armor...), the flavor will switch (likely to whatever ends up knocking them off the community's pedestal), and so will the cries of OP.
In fact... here's a fun /r/dust514 post. |
Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama Endless Renaissance
203
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:58:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Play more fps games. More experience in the fps world will help you to better understand why heavies are a problem. They make the game unbalanced. Unbalanced games don't work on console.
Dust is not COD. EVE is not WOW.
If you want lame FPS, go back to it.
If you want the good stuff, stay here and learn to beat heavies like the rest of us. |
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