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BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:33:00 - [1] - Quote Why would anyone want to run this suit? Really? One less equipment spot. No upgrade or changes to shields and armor....it's just faster w/ more stamina. No CDP or PG upgrades either. It's basically a poorly shielded Assault suit at this point. No additional hardpoints. I don't get it
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote If a logi wants to spec into only 2 pieces of equipment, injectors and reppers for example, then using the T-II is favorable over the T-I. It's kind of a assault-logi hybrid, still has the high CPU and PG numbers of a logi coupled with the speed of an assault. Perhaps a side-arm slot wouldn't hurt here.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:43:00 - [3] - Quote Armor tanking with lower speed penalty. Hack and dash fitting with speed and hacking modules. Could be more useful in a squad where logis could specialize. It is an item like this that often make games with lots of options for character building so much fun. Take the one suit no one uses and find a way to dominate with that suit. Or it could just suck.
Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.01.28 00:53:00 - [4] - Quote oh if you only knew...you dont see it do you? To bad I reached my "help"quota today.Maybe next time.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.01.28 01:07:00 - [5] - Quote Evicer wrote: oh if you only knew...you dont see it do you? To bad I reached my "help"quota today.Maybe next time. *Runs away from the scene of a recent shotgun kill.
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F 132	Posted - 2013.01.28 01:17:00 - [6] - Quote proto has 3 equipment slots with a 7.4 sprint speed and 4 high and 4 low slots. now thts why i would use the other version of a logi suit
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 200	Posted - 2013.01.28 01:26:00 - [7] - Quote I feel it's more for medics. You have the faster sprint speed to get in and revive. It has only two slots because all a medic really needs is the rep tool and nanite. When ever I use the three slots suit I never really use the rep hives that much.
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.01.28 01:54:00 - [8] - Quote The key advantage of the type-II (and B-series and vk1 proto) is the fact that you go from being slower, less stamina than an assault suit to being able to move at a speed between assault and scout levels, as well as having the fattest endurance and best stamina recovery to boot. Basically, you sacrifice 25% equipment versatility to gain mobile versatility.
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 200	Posted - 2013.01.28 02:02:00 - [9] - Quote Veritas Vitae wrote: The key advantage of the type-II (and B-series and vk1 proto) is the fact that you go from being slower, less stamina than an assault suit to being able to move at a speed between assault and scout levels, as well as having the fattest endurance and best stamina recovery to boot. Basically, you sacrifice 25% equipment versatility to gain mobile versatility. 33% equipment versatility
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.01.28 02:42:00 - [10] - Quote Mobility is good plus, but I still like free BPO LOGI better. I can die and not care.

crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.28 02:44:00 - [11] - Quote Look at how huge its stamina is.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.28 02:46:00 - [12] - Quote Dr Debo Galaxy wrote: Veritas Vitae wrote: The key advantage of the type-II (and B-series and vk1 proto) is the fact that you go from being slower, less stamina than an assault suit to being able to move at a speed between assault and scout levels, as well as having the fattest endurance and best stamina recovery to boot. Basically, you sacrifice 25% equipment versatility to gain mobile versatility. 33% equipment versatility He's talking prototype type2/1 Its 3 equipment instead of 4
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 49	Posted - 2013.01.28 02:46:00 - [13] - Quote you must not understand how useful speed is on a logi.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.01.28 05:52:00 - [14] - Quote crazy space 2100046106 wrote: Dr Debo Galaxy wrote: Veritas Vitae wrote: The key advantage of the type-II (and B-series and vk1 proto) is the fact that you go from being slower, less stamina than an assault suit to being able to move at a speed between assault and scout levels, as well as having the fattest endurance and best stamina recovery to boot. Basically, you sacrifice 25% equipment versatility to gain mobile versatility. 33% equipment versatility He's talking prototype type2/1 Its 3 equipment instead of 4 ok... Logi 1 has 3 equipment slots, Logi II has two. That's a 33% decrease in equipment slots. Medic? Yeah, good luck with that. Allow me to expand further: When I moved up to the Logi I suit I was super jazzed, Because now I could throw out a Nanohive and carry the medic gear. Awesome! couldn't wait to try it out. See, for my Articifer loadout I had replaced the Injector with nano hives. Simple fact is, there aren't a lot of opportunities to get someone up on DUST for a lot of different reasons: 1) Big maps, I mean, they're just huge, you may not always be around the group. Especially in Skirmish, which is what I play predominantly. 2) The way the "Soldier needs rezz'd here" indicator shows up...it's not super accurate. 3) Never fails, 2m from the downed teammate, he hits bleedout. Part of this, I think, is because there is no "roam around view" for the downed soldier. The other day I was in an ambush match and guys were auto bleeding out. 4) There's always someone just waiting for you to bring him back up...and then you look like the ******* just going for 60 points when they just die again. 5) Personal issue: I am very fortunate to play in a large clan with some really awesome players. They don't die all that often. And when they do, it's practically useless to try to bring them up because whatever killed them is going to kill me even faster. Also, as a squad, we run out of ammo more than we die. As long as I keep repping the team, I practically NEVER uses an injector. I actually run with two nano's and a repper and am seeing larger point returns and as a squad we seem to be doing better. So from my perspective, moving faster doesn't mean anything considering the 200+points I'm practically guaranteed to get per round. I'm actually heading back to the resupplies several times a game to switch suits to get more hives if thing's are going well for us. Now, once we get larger teams and squad on squad action is more common, a nanite injector in pub rooms might be more valuable. For me, Logi is more about healing and supplying than playing defibrillator. Granted CCP has made it worth it's while to be one at 60 SP per rezz, but it's implementation is not so viable at this time. PS: I should note, there was no one in my clan on MAG that had more Golden Crosses (15 rezz's in a game) than I did. It's not like I don't know how to play the role. I guess it comes to your personal situation. For me, at this time, 3rd slot > speed.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 313	Posted - 2013.01.28 06:44:00 - [15] - Quote If you don't like the type 2 then skip it and go straight to the A series. I did that last build and it was totally worth the SP.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:05:00 - [16] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: If you don't like the type 2 then skip it and go straight to the A series. I did that last build and it was totally worth the SP. This. The A Series is badass. Bringing one of these out will usually be a WP farm till you explode as you keep your buddies alive, or doing bad things like setting remote assplosives.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.28 07:34:00 - [17] - Quote The VK1 is faster than any assault suit. It's like a hybrid between Assault and Logi. This suit seems to be better for a more offensive logi. Remote explosives, prox mines, and whatever else CCP will add in the future. Medic logi can carry medic stuff, and assault logis can carry assault stuff so assault can focus on mods/weapons instead of equipment. Move speed helps a lot. VK1 logi is between assault and scout. Type 2 logi suit... meh. Many suits have one that sucks. IE the assault dropsuit that comes after type-II... useless.
Daddrobit Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 277	Posted - 2013.01.28 08:08:00 - [18] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: The VK1 is faster than any assault suit. It's like a hybrid between Assault and Logi. This suit seems to be better for a more offensive logi. Remote explosives, prox mines, and whatever else CCP will add in the future. Medic logi can carry medic stuff, and assault logis can carry assault stuff so assault can focus on mods/weapons instead of equipment. Move speed helps a lot. VK1 logi is between assault and scout. Type 2 logi suit... meh. Many suits have one that sucks. IE the assault dropsuit that comes after type-II... useless. Yeah, the VK1 is the only logi suit that I'd use besides the standard. Because at that point it raises up to 3 equipment slot in addition to the speed and stamina boost. So basically I'll be going from a 3 low, 3 high, 3 equip slow suit, into a 4 low, 4 high, 3 equip faster than assault suit. However before that point, losing an equipment slot it just too much to justify imo.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.01.28 08:17:00 - [19] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: The VK1 is faster than any assault suit. It's like a hybrid between Assault and Logi. This suit seems to be better for a more offensive logi. Remote explosives, prox mines, and whatever else CCP will add in the future. Medic logi can carry medic stuff, and assault logis can carry assault stuff so assault can focus on mods/weapons instead of equipment. Move speed helps a lot. VK1 logi is between assault and scout. Type 2 logi suit... meh. Many suits have one that sucks. IE the assault dropsuit that comes after type-II... useless. And VK1 Logi has 4 Hi and Lo slots, giving the ability to pile on the tanking. The type II suit is just as squishy as the Type I....so basically you move faster towards your untimely death.
Reout Karaal Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.01.28 13:16:00 - [20] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: The type II suit is just as squishy as the Type I....so basically you move faster towards your untimely death. Or you could use your head and move faster away from your not-so-ultimate death. T1 for medics and would run T2 for spec equipment stuff (like ammo+remote explosives). It's noticeably faster. Still "Sever" is my favourite suit, beaten only by "Dragonfly". My gameplay and speed needs depend on squad function. This is why we've got variations here. Just don't use what you don't like -- maybe you'll need it some day. ;-)

Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 186	Posted - 2013.01.28 13:44:00 - [21] - Quote (mistaken post)
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.01.28 13:49:00 - [22] - Quote I thought this was a waste of a suit too. Because i saw the movement increase and laughed and thought that barely makes a difference im talking between Type I and Type II not at proto level yet. Well then i unlocked it, I was so used to moving like a crippled assault player that when i started rocking this suit people just couldnt touch me, the difference in numbers may seem small but that mobility jump is huge, i can get to cover faster, strafe and dodge bullets faster, jump more often to get a bit of height with my MD shots. I will say it right now pound for pound the logi suits are the best in the game with the assault type II/B series varaiants the next best.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:33:00 - [23] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: Mobility is good plus, but I still like free BPO LOGI better. I can die and not care. The SVER logi suit is nice.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:38:00 - [24] - Quote nothing more frustrating as a logi than repping people on the move, only to have them get out of your range due to speed (or lack there of)... "I wanted to help you, Speedy"
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:41:00 - [25] - Quote This would be an ideal hacking focused suit.
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 16:48:00 - [26] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: This would be an ideal hacking focused suit. Or a suit that can actually keep up with the bloody assaults running away from your deadly rep.
LXicon Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.01.28 19:02:00 - [27] - Quote it's like there are two flavours of logi suits and the progression goes like: type-I -> A series -> vk0 type-II -> B-series -> vk1
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.01.28 19:08:00 - [28] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Why would anyone want to run this suit? Really? One less equipment spot. No upgrade or changes to shields and armor....it's just faster w/ more stamina. No CDP or PG upgrades either. It's basically a poorly shielded Assault suit at this point. No additional hardpoints. I don't get it Its great for sniping. You already have improved speed and stamina and hence dont need stamina mods when you have this. You have the option of 4 x 66 shield and 1 CPU upgrades with 2 x 115 armor and 1 Complex armor rep. Thats 494 hit points there itself. That with the 20% in movement penalties makes you light and fast. If you equip a proto AR or laser you can pretty much hold your ground. Overall you are looking at almost 900 HP with little or no movement penalties.
BattleCry1791 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.01.29 08:48:00 - [29] - Quote I tried this suit last night. While the increased speed was night, I felt totally gimped and had to make three different fits for it. Still no likey.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.01.29 08:52:00 - [30] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Why would anyone want to run this suit? Really? One less equipment spot. No upgrade or changes to shields and armor....it's just faster w/ more stamina. No CDP or PG upgrades either. It's basically a poorly shielded Assault suit at this point. No additional hardpoints. I don't get it Its great for sniping. You already have improved speed and stamina and hence dont need stamina mods when you have this. You have the option of 4 x 66 shield and 1 CPU upgrades with 2 x 115 armor and 1 Complex armor rep. Thats 494 hit points there itself. That with the 20% in movement penalties makes you light and fast. If you equip a proto AR or laser you can pretty much hold your ground. Overall you are looking at almost 900 HP with little or no movement penalties. I thought we were talking about Logistics Type-II suit here? Type II suit has 2 high and 2 low slots.



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