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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:52:00 -
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We, the undersigned, will ask for nerfs and buffs on skills and equipment only if all of the conditions below are met:
- I have tested how the skill or equipment works myself for extended periods of time
- I have been at the receiving end of the impacted skill or equipment for extended periods of time
- I have carefully weighed available countermeasure skills, equipment and tactics, and deemed them inadequate in balancing said skill or item
- I will not ask for buffs or nerfs just because I'm having trouble dealing with someone who uses a skill or equipment for its designed purpose, and a viable countermeasure is available by changing my own skills, equipment, or tactics
- I will objectively assess my own SP and personal FPS skill level, and gauge the need for nerfs and buffs affecting the entire Dust playerbase of varying skill levels
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would undermine Dust's rock-paper-scissors design
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would give players too many incentives to choose only certain equipment, skills and tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs adversely reducing variety of playstyles, viability of skill selection or dropsuit fittings which are out of the mainstream, or attractiveness of powerful but niche, highly specialized items, skills, builds or tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs just because an earlier build had it like that, or another game does it this way
10. I recognize that nerfs and buffs will have a cascading effect across the entire game, possibly requiring follow-up rounds of nerfs and buffs elsewhere for further balancing, and to assess the need for the original buff or nerf accordingly
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Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
191
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:55:00 -
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Amen. |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:06:00 -
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#4 makes no sense. Of course things are going to do what they are supposed to do. That's what they are made for. It's a question if things are too powerful.
#6 No game should be a switch class to play.
#10 Nerfs and buffs are necessary for balance, which this game lacks. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:15:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:#4 makes no sense. Of course things are going to do what they are supposed to do. That's what they are made for. It's a question if things are too powerful.
Makes perfect sense. First of all, #4 is one statement requiring both terms to be met, not two independent statements.
Also, some equipment may be used for a purpose that is not its stated purpose. In some cases - but not all - it is an exploit, and should be treated accordingly. Example of this would be exiting an LAV at high speeds to slingshot you to places you couldn't access otherwise. This has been acknowledged by CCP to be part of emergent gameplay, implicitly allowing such activity. Although LAV is not being used for its stated purpose, there has been no need to nerf exiting them at high speeds. (haven't tested this out myself recently, maybe it has)
Quote:#6 No game should be a switch class to play.
What?
Quote:#10 Nerfs and buffs are necessary for balance, which this game lacks.
OP is not about calling and end to nerfs and buffs, but a call to end frivolous, unnecessary and unbalancing nerfs and buffs. I agree there is some balancing to be done, but the game is in beta, and much better balanced than some games are at launch. |
Kaserai Mandrag
DUST University
Ivy League
57
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:21:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:#4 makes no sense. Of course things are going to do what they are supposed to do. That's what they are made for. It's a question if things are too powerful.
#6 No game should be a switch class to play.
#10 Nerfs and buffs are necessary for balance, which this game lacks.
You do realize that the original poster is being sarcastic, right?
Amen OP. Amen |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:06:00 -
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/sign |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:28:00 -
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+1
I can't stand people asking for nerfs based on ignorance. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
235
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:34:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:#6 No game should be a switch class to play.
LOL why have classes then? Its a team game where classes support and augment each other like any mmo or hell any good teamwork multiplayer game ever. its just such a ignorant comment. Go play another game if you don't want depth. |
Guildo Crow
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
15
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:38:00 -
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This needs to be a sticky. Hell this list needs to be a popup whenever someone decides to post something. Make it happen! |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:07:00 -
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-1
Not enough use of the phrases "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not" to be real commandments  . |
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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:29:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:-1 Not enough use of the phrases "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not" to be real commandments .
I'm Minmatar, you insensitive clod! |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
443
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:34:00 -
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And another,
Amen. |
1LTNORFLEET
Lost-Legion
24
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:43:00 -
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finaly some one who gets the basic nerf buff scheme all ive read on the forums were crying about how they got killed with a weapon and they didnt even try #'s 2-10
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
212
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:53:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:#6 No game should be a switch class to play.
tell that to us scouts, tell that to the AV players, tell that to the heavies, tell that to drop ship pilots, and tell that to the laser rifles next build. **** YOU!! no one should have to switch class to play unless they are not assaults with ARs.
look at my stats I suck and yet when I play assault with AR I regularly take down every other class and weapon with impunity.
Not only that because of dumb fucks like you I have to spread my self thin specing into multiple rolls because no one else wants to roll anything other then Assault with AR.
shut your mouth and sign.
thank you OP this has need to be said if we had done this earlier in beta and got a list of dedicated testers, maybe we could have prevented a lot of headaches. Props for putting the time, effort, and thought into this.
/signed |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:01:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:We, the undersigned, will ask for nerfs and buffs on skills and equipment only if all of the conditions below are met:
- I have tested how the skill or equipment works myself for extended periods of time
- I have been at the receiving end of the impacted skill or equipment for extended periods of time
- I have carefully weighed available countermeasure skills, equipment and tactics, and deemed them inadequate in balancing said skill or item
- I will not ask for buffs or nerfs just because I'm having trouble dealing with someone who uses a skill or equipment for its designed purpose, and a viable countermeasure is available by changing my own skills, equipment, or tactics
- I will objectively assess my own SP and personal FPS skill level, and gauge the need for nerfs and buffs affecting the entire Dust playerbase of varying skill levels
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would undermine Dust's rock-paper-scissors design
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would give players too many incentives to choose only certain equipment, skills and tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs adversely reducing variety of playstyles, viability of skill selection or dropsuit fittings which are out of the mainstream, or attractiveness of powerful but niche, highly specialized items, skills, builds or tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs just because an earlier build had it like that, or another game does it this way
10. I recognize that nerfs and buffs will have a cascading effect across the entire game, possibly requiring follow-up rounds of nerfs and buffs elsewhere for further balancing, and to assess the need for the original buff or nerf accordingly
this is good, definetly something CCP should confirmwhen considering players requests for nerf/buffs |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.28 01:04:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Ryder Azorria wrote:-1 Not enough use of the phrases "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not" to be real commandments . I'm Minmatar, you insensitive clod!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
this made my day |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.02.02 23:23:00 -
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+1 |
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
242
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Posted - 2013.02.03 00:16:00 -
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This is good... Especially #6.
Game is role based and there is meant to be specialization, not 1 fit can take on everything equally, defeats the entire unique premise of the game. |
Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama
Endless Renaissance
203
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:26:00 -
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Hallelujah, brother! |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
382
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:36:00 -
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Bumping due to all the nerf threads popping up. |
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Shane Darko
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
34
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:50:00 -
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This,needs to be a sticky. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
983
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:51:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:
I have tested how the skill or equipment works myself for extended periods of time
And none of that "this weapon is EZ mode, I went 50-0 with a militia variant" crap. Video, or it didn't happen. |
alten hilt
DUST University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.26 17:57:00 -
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+1
Crybabies will by crybababies. This game is about tactics, strategy, and team gameplay, let's keep it that way! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
1257
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:13:00 -
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Shane Darko wrote:This,needs to be a sticky.
Agreed, ironwolf/othercpmpeople get this sticky'd, prove your worth to the community. |
Turan chiron
Raymond James Corp
2
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:13:00 -
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Sticky now! |
Sev Alcatraz
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
235
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:19:00 -
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Thou shelf not QQ
+1
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2615
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:28:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Thou shelf not QQ
+1
Shelf?
I'd prefer "thou cabinet not" over "though shelf not" personally.
Also, +1 to OP, signed, and all that other good stuff. And I'd -1 the complaint about #6 if I could. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:15:00 -
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Finally some sense. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
358
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Posted - 2013.05.10 20:20:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:We, the undersigned, will ask for nerfs and buffs on skills and equipment only if all of the conditions below are met:
- I have tested how the skill or equipment works myself for extended periods of time
- I have been at the receiving end of the impacted skill or equipment for extended periods of time
- I have carefully weighed available countermeasure skills, equipment and tactics, and deemed them inadequate in balancing said skill or item
- I will not ask for buffs or nerfs just because I'm having trouble dealing with someone who uses a skill or equipment for its designed purpose, and a viable countermeasure is available by changing my own skills, equipment, or tactics
- I will objectively assess my own SP and personal FPS skill level, and gauge the need for nerfs and buffs affecting the entire Dust playerbase of varying skill levels
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would undermine Dust's rock-paper-scissors design
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs which would give players too many incentives to choose only certain equipment, skills and tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs adversely reducing variety of playstyles, viability of skill selection or dropsuit fittings which are out of the mainstream, or attractiveness of powerful but niche, highly specialized items, skills, builds or tactics
- I will not ask for nerfs or buffs just because an earlier build had it like that, or another game does it this way
10. I recognize that nerfs and buffs will have a cascading effect across the entire game, possibly requiring follow-up rounds of nerfs and buffs elsewhere for further balancing, and to assess the need for the original buff or nerf accordingly
this is good, definetly something CCP should confirmwhen considering players requests for nerf/buffs
to bad CCP broke the [insert word of choice] out of them and said meh it'll be fine its meant to be broken like that. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
141
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:01:00 -
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*1 |
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