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Hektor Flex
The Piddlez Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.23 05:16:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I get the feeling you saw the title of this thread, didn't read anything written in it, and just hit the Reply button and started mashing keys. You're aware we're talking about dropsuit slot changes? Something that doesn't mean anything to people who aren't already playing Dust? So unless your genius contribution is that CCP changed the dropsuit configuration because they're trying to market their game to people who are already playing the game then I'm not sure what to tell you. I get the feeling that the number of drop suit slots were irrelevant to the person making a cgi trailer for a game that is still in beta. Since a cgi is never intended to represent actual game play in the first place, speculating about getting new slots in said jump suits which only appeared in said cgi trailer might seem... I don't know, stupid. I also suspecting you might be the genius I spoke of earlier. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
10
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Posted - 2013.01.23 05:55:00 -
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Here is the answer its a Anti - Infestation suit.
You see them fighting drones.
Drone infestation.
PVE Suits are stronger because there balanced against NPCs.
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Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:18:00 -
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i wanna go up against rogue drones, hopefully some nice loot to be had from taking on those suckers.
characters in the trailer look pretty human, whereas the first gen Templars had pale skin and visible blue and pruple veins running all over their bodies according to the books. May be just using Carbon, or that our characters are a more perfected generation of clone.
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:44:00 -
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Centurion mkII wrote:Here is the answer its a Anti - Infestation suit.
You see them fighting drones.
Drone infestation.
PVE Suits are stronger because there balanced against NPCs.
This doesn't make any sense at all and is almost certainly not the answer. They're not going to make a separate version of every item in the game for the purpose of fighting NPCs, when they could simply design the NPCs to be balanced around the items we fight players with.
You're also incorrect if you believe the starter suit we see there is "stronger". It has more/different slots, but its CPU/PG is the same. You'd be able to outfit a wider variety of stuff, but if you were to do so your modules/equipment couldn't be as high of quality. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
10
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Posted - 2013.01.23 08:34:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Centurion mkII wrote:Here is the answer its a Anti - Infestation suit.
You see them fighting drones.
Drone infestation.
PVE Suits are stronger because there balanced against NPCs. This doesn't make any sense at all and is almost certainly not the answer. They're not going to make a separate version of every item in the game for the purpose of fighting NPCs, when they could simply design the NPCs to be balanced around the items we fight players with. You're also incorrect if you believe the starter suit we see there is "stronger". It has more/different slots, but its CPU/PG is the same. You'd be able to outfit a wider variety of stuff, but if you were to do so your modules/equipment couldn't be as high of quality.
Eve online drone infestation level 1 and 2.
When i said stronger I meant better(diverse) slot layouts.
http://www.dust514.org/home/item/the-horde-is-coming
Search for the word infest. Its pretty clear to me what that snippet means. In retrospect it was wrong for me to think they'd make it so you can only use certain drop suits for pve. I believe I am correct in thinking that's a drop suit made for drone pve. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:07:00 -
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The forge like weapon the assault fired looked smaller then the heavy's. Are we getting a light slot mini-forge(weaker of course) at some point? We are getting variant suits eventually, maybe they have different slot layouts. |
Hehaw Jimbo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:47:00 -
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If you're familiar with EVE, you should know that CCP's game trailers lie. Their EVE trailers are always spiffed up to look cool, when a ton of the stuff shown isn't actually in the game, doesn't work how the video shows, or has significantly better graphical effects than the actual in-game. It's something a lot of people have criticized over the years. They're meant to attract new players and look awesome, but in general, aren't very accurate to how things really are. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:04:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbo wrote:If you're familiar with EVE, you should know that CCP's game trailers lie. Their EVE trailers are always spiffed up to look cool, when a ton of the stuff shown isn't actually in the game, doesn't work how the video shows, or has significantly better graphical effects than the actual in-game. It's something a lot of people have criticized over the years. They're meant to attract new players and look awesome, but in general, aren't very accurate to how things really are.
A CCP employee explicitly stated in a recent video done just before the open beta that people will be able to use heavy weapons with scout suits. He also said squad size is being upped to 6 and team sizes to 24 vs. 24 soon.
In short, no, the evidence suggests that CCP is loosening restrictions/expanding options more. It's possible that there may be changes to heavy suits/heavy weapons accompanying the separation of those two items, but in any case it seems fairly clear that assault suits will be able to use forge guns, scout suits HMGs, and everything in between. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:20:00 -
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Found that one of the mercs are holding a lollipop. |
Hehaw Jimbo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:36:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Hehaw Jimbo wrote:If you're familiar with EVE, you should know that CCP's game trailers lie. Their EVE trailers are always spiffed up to look cool, when a ton of the stuff shown isn't actually in the game, doesn't work how the video shows, or has significantly better graphical effects than the actual in-game. It's something a lot of people have criticized over the years. They're meant to attract new players and look awesome, but in general, aren't very accurate to how things really are. A CCP employee explicitly stated in a recent video done just before the open beta that people will be able to use heavy weapons with scout suits. He also said squad size is being upped to 6 and team sizes to 24 vs. 24 soon. In short, no, the evidence suggests that CCP is loosening restrictions/expanding options more. It's possible that there may be changes to heavy suits/heavy weapons accompanying the separation of those two items, but in any case it seems fairly clear that assault suits will be able to use forge guns, scout suits HMGs, and everything in between.
Soon(TM) |
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Test Cazaderon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:52:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Or maybe it was all just for show. Not actually game play.
It`s an assault suit, but it isn/'t any of the assault listed. It's a starter suit, but it has the slots of a standard fit. and weapon slots unlike any other suit. Has 2 of said suit, but doesn't actually list the amount of suits she has on the list. She picked an Anti armor suit, but is running with weapons for Anti infantry (Ar, SMGs, and so on.) She had Av grenades when she went into a fight with no grenades. Assault suits that are lower then proto suits do not have 2 equipment suits. LAV's can actually do sharp turns. That tank killed that LAV in one shot. A blaster turret usually takes at-least 5 shots to fill a starter LAV. That mini Rail gun had the rate of fire of a blaster.
NOT ACTUAL GAME PLAY, THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK "COOL"
I agree. The suit with 3 slots had ridiculous amount of PG\CPU and such. It appeared to be a starter fit. So 3 weapons and 2 equipment ? Meh.
The assault dude with a forge gun on the other hand is more interesting. But the footage is still not actual gameplay.
So, outside of the PVE drones, nothing really clear or sure is to be taken out of this trailer. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:07:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbo wrote:If you're familiar with EVE, you should know that CCP's game trailers lie. Their EVE trailers are always spiffed up to look cool, when a ton of the stuff shown isn't actually in the game, doesn't work how the video shows, or has significantly better graphical effects than the actual in-game. It's something a lot of people have criticized over the years. They're meant to attract new players and look awesome, but in general, aren't very accurate to how things really are.
Could you please post here a screenshot from an EVE trailer where they showed a starship fitting screen, and some details there were inaccurate? If there is one, then I'll believe you. Otherwise... right now you have just words and assumptions, while Fivetimes Infinity and I have evidence to support our argument. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:17:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Check the moment right before the weapons go into their slots, it clearly says H, L, S. It's the same precise moment when you can see the tri-dash high-powered slot symbols. P.S. Here us a screenshot from my phone: http://imgur.com/hlvj4J8.jpg I also just noticed how it says H, M, L, most likely standing for High, Medium, and Low. I wonder if it's just a different name for Heavy, Light, Sidearm, or weapons are going to be classified differently now... Probably the former.
thats my guess, heavy med and light is a little more intuitive then heavy light and side, less descriptive but more intuitive. |
Janeera
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:30:00 -
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Always keep in mind that such videos are sometimes prepared/created months in advance (even if we're just talking about some sub-sequences).
Apart from that, it's definitely a bit of "artistic freedom" in there (e.g. the view without a helmet in the fitting screen at first). They wanted the fitting window to be in there, so they added an incarnation of it (whether it's been up to the artist or being based on an outdated or future design... we don't know). As for the slot labels, I think it's just due to something like "hey, what to do with all the empty slots, people won't understand them or be able to differentiate them if I just use cryptic icons" - "well, just make it easy to tell whether the weapons are heavy, normal or light." Always keep in mind such trailers are usually geared to new people not knowing the game yet (primary) and existing players (only secondary; unless it's a pure addon/dlc or something like that)
One specific example regarding artistic freedoms would be right in the last scene of the new Dust trailer:
Around the top of the video, you should be able to see several Rokh battleships (http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rokh). If you have a closer look, you'll notice that they're having some kind of camouflage painting on them, something not available in the game (at least not so far and not on the Rokh). |
Tac Com
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:55:00 -
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Cosmetics though are more in the relm of artistic freedom whereas fitting mechanics are more the relm of the game designers. Often the art department making the video will just ask for a fitting screen or what slot layout and that's what they will put into the video, even if that slot layout isn't finished yet.
But according to what CCP has said, it looks like we will have loosened restrictions on fittings but will place a greater emphasis on CPU and grid for fitting. A heavy would still be the king of the heavy weapon as they could fit a heavy weapon and still fit a good amount of gear whereas a scout or assault would have to sacrifice a lot of thier fit to do so. Although where I see it being used more is using the H slot for another L weapon.
Regardless we have some interesting times ahead should even a fraction of this turn out to be true. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:00:00 -
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http://www.gamespot.com/dust-514/videos/where-eve-online-and-dust-514-collide-6402760/
@ 6:50. Guy talks about being able to make a scout suit which uses heavy weapons. This plus the stuff from the trailer suggests this wasn't simply artistic license.
The dropsuit screen is visible for literally ~2.5 seconds. They aren't going to spend a bunch of time adding, removing, and editing the icons of it because they're concerned people won't understand them. You think people are going to understand three lines in an icon significantly better than two lines? Having a H, M, and L slots is that much more understandable than L and S? These are things you think they spent time doing, because they didn't want to confuse people during the 2.5 seconds that stuff is visible? Really? |
I SHOT ANOOB
The Piddlez Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:14:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Hehaw Jimbo wrote:If you're familiar with EVE, you should know that CCP's game trailers lie. Their EVE trailers are always spiffed up to look cool, when a ton of the stuff shown isn't actually in the game, doesn't work how the video shows, or has significantly better graphical effects than the actual in-game. It's something a lot of people have criticized over the years. They're meant to attract new players and look awesome, but in general, aren't very accurate to how things really are. Could you please post here a screenshot from an EVE trailer where they showed a starship fitting screen, and some details there were inaccurate? If there is one, then I'll believe you. Otherwise... right now you have just words and assumptions, while Fivetimes Infinity and I have evidence to support our argument.
You and Five Times are both brilliant. Right now neither of you have any evidence. A dev hasn't said anything about this trailer. Furthermore if there is evidence of anything it's a long history of CCP misrepresenting their products. In fact about ten years of evidence. Anybody who has played Eve knows this. Grow a brain. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:07:00 -
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We have a CCP guy saying something and we have images from a trailer. If you remain unconvinced, that's cool, but you're wrong in that we have no evidence for thinking they're making these changes at some point in the near future. |
GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:12:00 -
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I thought at first it might just be a militia dropsuit with a weapon mod slot...
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.23 22:27:00 -
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@Fivetimes Infinity - There seems to be no point whatsoever in arguing with those who don't read this thread... *Sigh* They just come, post their "invaluable" input, and leave. I wonder if they'll believe devs when the latter announce these changes.
@Everyone else who states the whole trailer is a lie - bring counter-evidence to back up your claim, otherwise your prejudiced assumptions can't be considered valid arguments. |
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.24 13:19:00 -
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Also the assault suit is holding the forge gun on his left, while heavy suits hold the forge gun on the right. So the animations are different and therefore this isn't some tacked on thing and assault suits and probably every other suit are getting heavy weapons in a future build.
http://i.imgur.com/J8npRRN.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/w43Nc3V.jpg
And that probably means the H, M, L weapon slot format we saw in the trailer's dropsuit selection, with the removal of the grenade slot, is how weapons will work in the future for all dropsuits. H is for heavy weapons like assault rifles, HMGs, forge guns, and shotguns. M is for medium weapons like SMGs, pistols, and maybe other stuff. And L is for something else. Possibly either grenades or nova knives? Maybe other stuff? If the addition of the equipment and low slot was actually on a militia suit, as the trailer suggests, perhaps grenades are equipment now. Should be interesting. Extra slots overall, while retaining PG/CPU levels, would be interesting.
And finally, check out the AR: http://i.imgur.com/dbJkuj5.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/SBJRgQD.png and http://i.imgur.com/fxYMnfW.jpg
It has a blue/white/grey camouflage pattern to it.
So, in this trailer we've most likely seen: New dropsuit fitting configuration at least for weapons, that heavy weapons will become usable by any dropsuit, and possibly a couple of the looks you'll be able to craft for your armor and weapon, as we see with the central character in the trailer sporting her white assault suit and blue/white/grey assault rifle.
New dropsuit fitting shown in the trailer, for reference: http://i.imgur.com/hlvj4J8.jpg |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:32:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Also the assault suit is holding the forge gun on his left, while heavy suits hold the forge gun on the right. So the animations are different and therefore this isn't some tacked on thing and assault suits and probably every other suit are getting heavy weapons in a future build. http://i.imgur.com/J8npRRN.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/w43Nc3V.jpgAnd that probably means the H, M, L weapon slot format we saw in the trailer's dropsuit selection, with the removal of the grenade slot, is how weapons will work in the future for all dropsuits. H is for heavy weapons like assault rifles, HMGs, forge guns, and shotguns. M is for medium weapons like SMGs, pistols, and maybe other stuff. And L is for something else. Possibly either grenades or nova knives? Maybe other stuff? If the addition of the equipment and low slot was actually on a militia suit, as the trailer suggests, perhaps grenades are equipment now. Should be interesting. Extra slots overall, while retaining PG/CPU levels, would be interesting. And finally, check out the AR: http://i.imgur.com/dbJkuj5.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/SBJRgQD.png and http://i.imgur.com/fxYMnfW.jpgIt has a blue/white/grey camouflage pattern to it. So, in this trailer we've most likely seen: New dropsuit fitting configuration at least for weapons, that heavy weapons will become usable by any dropsuit, and possibly a couple of the looks you'll be able to craft for your armor and weapon, as we see with the central character in the trailer sporting her white assault suit and blue/white/grey assault rifle. New dropsuit fitting shown in the trailer, for reference: http://i.imgur.com/hlvj4J8.jpg Maybe just for the purpose of the video, but the stock of the AR also seems to be different. |
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