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Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:27:00 -
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I have noticed that almost everyone is using the assault rifle to the point where the rest of the weapons seem to be just amusing sidebars to be dabbled in rather than actual weapons to be used in combat.
I started wondering why everyone uses them then it hit me. Right now assault rifles are basically the only weapon one need bother using because they have no drawbacks to them like the rest of the weapons.
Easy on pg/cpu effective at basically any range that one might wish to employ it. (up to that pesky point where your bullets stop) do more damage and are more accurate that just about anything else. (yes i know the laser is more accurate but its a beam of light what possible recoil could it create?)
I realize that it is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades weapon its missing the key component to that old saying "master of none"
I really want to see this game become more than AR 514. so curse me for being the blasphemer i am think that something on the assault rifle has to give. It should be good at everything but not great. Right now there is no real reason to use anything else unless you really like the idea because almost everyone else uses the thing.
I think that the assault rifle should be tweaked so as to make it a viable weapon but not the only viable weapon this is the future of war not modern warfare so while i understand its the most easily relate-able weapon in the game i feel it should be tweaked as to make people feel that specializing in other weapons it worth it. |
Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:40:00 -
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ARs are just the popular meta right now, they're easy and familiar in this strange new world. I'm seeing a lot more shotgunners and HMGers than before, still surprisingly few lasers though. |
Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis
245
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:41:00 -
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I think it's fine the way it is ... Every army in the world today uses an AR as their main Infantry weapon... Even other games like CoD and BF3 the main weapon is the assault rifle... We have already suffered a tweak, you know ? I myself love my AR, but in some cases a Laser Rifle is more suitable... |
Tryhard514
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
111
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:43:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:I have noticed that almost everyone is using the assault rifle to the point where the rest of the weapons seem to be just amusing sidebars to be dabbled in rather than actual weapons to be used in combat.
I started wondering why everyone uses them then it hit me. Right now assault rifles are basically the only weapon one need bother using because they have no drawbacks to them like the rest of the weapons.
Easy on pg/cpu effective at basically any range that one might wish to employ it. (up to that pesky point where your bullets stop) do more damage and are more accurate that just about anything else. (yes i know the laser is more accurate but its a beam of light what possible recoil could it create?)
I realize that it is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades weapon its missing the key component to that old saying "master of none"
I really want to see this game become more than AR 514. so curse me for being the blasphemer i am think that something on the assault rifle has to give. It should be good at everything but not great. Right now there is no real reason to use anything else unless you really like the idea because almost everyone else uses the thing.
I think that the assault rifle should be tweaked so as to make it a viable weapon but not the only viable weapon this is the future of war not modern warfare so while i understand its the most easily relate-able weapon in the game i feel it should be tweaked as to make people feel that specializing in other weapons it worth it.
just no
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James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
151
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:43:00 -
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It's fine. It's normal for assault rifles to be the most popular weapon because it's almost always the most versatile. A jack of all trades anti-infantry weapon. Other weapons are still plenty viable. The drawback is not specializing at any range specifically, so if you're against a laser rifle, you're at a huge disadvantage at range. If against a HMG or shotgun, at a huge disadvantage in close quarters (and medium range for HMG). Mass drivers also don't seem so bad. Laser rifles seem amazing as long as people get the right positioning, they melt my type II heavy in a matter of a second or two from full health.
My point is, ARs aren't the best at everything.. not even close. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
155
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:44:00 -
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Oh I don't know. I've seen more Toxin submachine guns than GEKs, for example.
If you don't count the Exile and Militia ARs, which are obviously used to save ISK, then there's definitely more of almost every weapon currently. Perhaps when we go into open beta there'll be a flood of newbies and AR usage will spike, but right now, fresh off the wipe, people seem to definitely be experimenting with weapons other than ARs. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.19 06:01:00 -
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I use most every infantry weapon, but they're all situational aside from the ARs. Lasers are too weak at close range, shotguns too weak at long range, etc. With ARs I can handle any situation. I'll maybe die to a shotgun more often than if I were also using a shotgun, and lasers of course kill everyone in about 2 seconds at range, but I appreciate the flexibility of ARs a lot. And having an Exile is just icing on it, saving me some money in the meantime.
That said, I don't believe the current setup is flawed. If I were running in a squad I'd probably be way more likely to use something specialized, as I'd be able to count on my squad mates to cover my weaknesses. And I've definitely seen more of the specialized weapons being used in organized squads than anything else, as far as I can tell, probably for just that reason. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.19 06:42:00 -
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The assault rifle(gallente) is the only service rifle we have. When we get scrambler rifles(amarr), gauss rifles(caldari) and claws (minmatar) we will see people using a variety of them. Personally I look forward to the scrambler since it would seem to fit my playstyle better then ar, the gauss I figure will fit between the sniper and ar and will probably replace most of my sniper fits.
I used to use the smg as my primary weapon(light slot was used for mass/swarm/sniper/shotgun but they were used as specialized secondary in most fits), but the skill bonus was changed to nerf it, new build seems to restore some of its former utility.
It would be nice it short ranged weapons like shotgun and smg had damage for operation and accuracy for proficiency, opposite of longer ranged scrambler pistol and ar. This would help give each more a niche.
The ar and laser are good as they are now. It took some tweaks to get them there but they are right now. If other weapons are subpar they need improved, not the ar nerfed. We only have one factions main service weapon, once others are added it will be more variety.
Real life note... Most nations use assault rifles(m-16/ak-14/famas) for the bulk of the troops, some use battle rifles(m-14/fal/m1/g3). PDW, shot guns, smg, salvo rifles, light machine guns, mini rocket launchers, and needle guns fave been tested as replacments but found lacking in some way. Russia equipped entire units with smg in WWII, longer ranged then dust version though. The U.S. considered replacing it's rifle with a pdw(based on hk7) in 1990's, a shotgun(with long range sabr ammo) or needle gun(very high velocity smooth bore dart) in the 1980's, salvo rifle(fires a group of small bullets from multiple barrels with each pull) and light machine gun in 1950's. The mini-rocket idea was mainly just pushed by the company making them, but seem similar to the minmatar flaylock so could show up in dust.
Something with good versatility like ar will be more common then specialized weapons, this is not a problem as long as they do well in there niche. There are options that could compete with ar, we just don't have them yet. I hope the racial variants of the ar won't be more ar, but something else that fills the same role, like gauss battle rifles or flaylock rocket rifles. |
Kalante Schiffer
UnReaL.
183
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Posted - 2013.01.19 08:22:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:ARs are just the popular meta right now, they're easy and familiar in this strange new world. I'm seeing a lot more shotgunners and HMGers than before, still surprisingly few lasers though. i tried the laser but i was like man this laser takes a long time to kill some one. The laser is cool and all, specially at long range but it just doesn't get work done most of the time. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2013.01.19 08:24:00 -
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Assault rifles have been king since this beta began, it's an ongoing process. I'm garbage with them in basically any game, so I'm not a good judge of balance on them, all I know is they're very popular and very accurate. Plus, they put out some serious dps if you can in fact aim. |
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.19 08:25:00 -
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i'm sure with a couple more posts like these CCP will nerf them again, they do consult the experts on everything they do after all- that is they check the front page of the forums for any cry posts and nerf accordingly |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2013.01.19 08:32:00 -
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Sobriety Denied wrote:i'm sure with a couple more posts like these CCP will nerf them again, they do consult the experts on everything they do after all- that is they check the front page of the forums for any cry posts and nerf accordingly
You'd be amazed at what they take note of and what they ignore
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crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:07:00 -
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Thread saying HMGs make ARs obsolete , and thread saying how ARs making everything else obsolete.
Both on the front page, how sad. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:36:00 -
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Tailss Prower wrote:Sobriety Denied wrote:i'm sure with a couple more posts like these CCP will nerf them again, they do consult the experts on everything they do after all- that is they check the front page of the forums for any cry posts and nerf accordingly You'd be amazed at what they take note of and what they ignore By and large they ignore the highly biased whine posts, they mostly go where their data tells them to go (contrary to popular belief, the logs show EVERYTHING). |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.01.19 11:32:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:I have noticed that almost everyone is using the assault rifle to the point where the rest of the weapons seem to be just amusing sidebars to be dabbled in rather than actual weapons to be used in combat.
And whats worse is, a vocal minority of assault rifle users seem to perpetually want all other weapons nerfed. Code of the
samurai or some ****, unless your using and assault rifle you are somehow morally inferior to everyone else. |
Hawkings Greenback
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.01.19 11:49:00 -
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crazy space 2100046106 wrote:Thread saying HMGs make ARs obsolete , and thread saying how ARs making everything else obsolete.
Both on the front page, how sad.
Indeed |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
191
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Posted - 2013.01.19 12:09:00 -
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I love my flux grenade + mass driver. People are just too lazy to learn how to use new weapons and cry for OVERPOWERED(hmg/mass driver/lazors/shotgun)!1!1! when they get killed by people who did learn. |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:I love my flux grenade + mass driver. People are just too lazy to learn how to use new weapons and cry for OVERPOWERED(hmg/mass driver/lazors/shotgun)!1!1! when they get killed by people who did learn. I just want to point this out, but flux plus mass driver is brillant |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:01:00 -
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I personally think it's fine, aside from the fact that they're cheaper and easier to fit than everything else. The reason most people use ARs is because they aren't capable of specializing in anything. All this does is tip the scale in the favor of teams who mix in MDs, LRs, and shotguns for light infantry. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1029
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:47:00 -
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AR is a general weapon just like in all other FPS games. FPS players always go with whats familar first or what they are good at. Since AR skills are rifle skills in general that skill is easily transferable from game to game. The amount of ARs in game has no direct correlation to the stats it has and more of a product of player preference and SKILL.
Keep calm, STFU on |
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:59:00 -
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I feel that ARs at one of the best balances the have been in since I started playing this game. In serious CQ they most of the time lose to a SMG and fighting a MD in CQ is tricky to. At long range the laser will also when most of the time as well. But they are the king of the middle game, due to their accuracy, dps at mid range and, instant hit. HMGs I don't know where to put them really in this scale due to the fact that they require you to use a heavy suit which all but completely destroys your mobility gun game and should win in a straight on fight any day.
And if you think it will win in the middle game every time I would love to have my MD KDR or a good LR user's stats. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:16:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:I have noticed that almost everyone is using the assault rifle to the point where the rest of the weapons seem to be just amusing sidebars to be dabbled in rather than actual weapons to be used in combat.
I started wondering why everyone uses them then it hit me. Right now assault rifles are basically the only weapon one need bother using because they have no drawbacks to them like the rest of the weapons.
Easy on pg/cpu effective at basically any range that one might wish to employ it. (up to that pesky point where your bullets stop) do more damage and are more accurate that just about anything else. (yes i know the laser is more accurate but its a beam of light what possible recoil could it create?)
I realize that it is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades weapon its missing the key component to that old saying "master of none"
I really want to see this game become more than AR 514. so curse me for being the blasphemer i am think that something on the assault rifle has to give. It should be good at everything but not great. Right now there is no real reason to use anything else unless you really like the idea because almost everyone else uses the thing.
I think that the assault rifle should be tweaked so as to make it a viable weapon but not the only viable weapon this is the future of war not modern warfare so while i understand its the most easily relate-able weapon in the game i feel it should be tweaked as to make people feel that specializing in other weapons it worth it.
Build after build the variants of the AR have been nerfed into uselessness. Why? Because people such as yourself are absolutely terrible at this game, and needed CCP to homogenize everything to the point where standard variants were the only ones worth using. Now we have DUST514 a dumbed down poormans version of COD/BF/MAG/Halo all rolled into one game. |
Sextus Hardcock
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
63
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:41:00 -
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The AR is fine as it is. It is a versatile weapon, anywhere within its range band you can effectively engage with it. It will more often then not lose to another weapon with a specialized range (i.e. Shotgun, or Laser)
Its versatility is its strength and a lack of specific engagement range is its weakness.
Working as intended. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:57:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:I have noticed that almost everyone is using the assault rifle to the point where the rest of the weapons seem to be just amusing sidebars to be dabbled in rather than actual weapons to be used in combat.
I started wondering why everyone uses them then it hit me. Right now assault rifles are basically the only weapon one need bother using because they have no drawbacks to them like the rest of the weapons.
Easy on pg/cpu effective at basically any range that one might wish to employ it. (up to that pesky point where your bullets stop) do more damage and are more accurate that just about anything else. (yes i know the laser is more accurate but its a beam of light what possible recoil could it create?)
I realize that it is supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades weapon its missing the key component to that old saying "master of none"
I really want to see this game become more than AR 514. so curse me for being the blasphemer i am think that something on the assault rifle has to give. It should be good at everything but not great. Right now there is no real reason to use anything else unless you really like the idea because almost everyone else uses the thing.
I think that the assault rifle should be tweaked so as to make it a viable weapon but not the only viable weapon this is the future of war not modern warfare so while i understand its the most easily relate-able weapon in the game i feel it should be tweaked as to make people feel that specializing in other weapons it worth it. Build after build the variants of the AR have been nerfed into uselessness. Why? Because people such as yourself are absolutely terrible at this game, and needed CCP to homogenize everything to the point where standard variants were the only ones worth using. Now we have DUST514 a dumbed down poormans version of COD/BF/MAG/Halo all rolled into one game.
I have to say the only variant I have ever seen was the tac and, it needed to be adjusted it was just a stronger longer ranged regular AR which is just better than the regular AR all the way around other than ammo count. I feel it should be more like a (sorry for the real life comparison) FAL a single shot really powerful smaller clip increased fidelity AR. The only reason the burst is off is because of the weird kick it has now. The breach I can't say anything about I haven't used it personally since the E3 build |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:53:00 -
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hmmm, can't decide if wana troll or actually give valid points ..hm.... guess validity it is
Firstly, the AR's as of now, have NO, let me repeat NO advantage in engagement ranges. NOw before you jump down my throats saying BS it is still massively used; ill forward you to Free Beers post on most players go to what they know best in any FPS, and thats usually an AR. WIth that said, here are the weapon engagment zones
CQB: these all are great at this range Shotty SMG Heavy Grenades
Mid: they out range and tear up suits far easier & better then an AR Laser
Long: Laser
Extreme: Sniper
As it is, for those who say an AR is good at CQB, i can easily say a Toxin as it, is rips apart an AR in CQB. Mid range lasers out class b/c of zreo recoil and easy aiming ability. That and if you say Mid rage is around ~50m, even an HMG is lethal.
So the main area and benefit of a AR has been stripped from the game more or less. Yes it will still be run since people are use to it; but in no way is it as good as you say it is. The AR's are no longer this god sent of a weapon. Can they be used, yes; but they aren't are useful and potent as there were or should be
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:59:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Build after build the variants of the AR have been nerfed into uselessness. Why? Because people such as yourself are absolutely terrible at this game, and needed CCP to homogenize everything to the point where standard variants were the only ones worth using. Now we have DUST514 a dumbed down poormans version of COD/BF/MAG/Halo all rolled into one game.
Actually it's because children like you camped spawns 24/7 because you have nothing better to do, and you only ever used one weapon. Then CCP looks back and goes, oh, these kids are topping leaderboards and only ever using this one weapon, maybe we should look at it.
Then the same kids come to the forums, and complain about CCP attempting to bring the stats more in line, since god forbid they touch 'their' toys. So, since CCP won't pander to you, you do the next best thing, and lobby to get the things you dislike nerfed instead.
That's why they've been nerfed. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:17:00 -
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and on the last post I don't think I will come back to this thread because it probably is not going to get any prettier. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Build after build the variants of the AR have been nerfed into uselessness. Why? Because people such as yourself are absolutely terrible at this game, and needed CCP to homogenize everything to the point where standard variants were the only ones worth using. Now we have DUST514 a dumbed down poormans version of COD/BF/MAG/Halo all rolled into one game. Actually it's because children like you camped spawns 24/7 because you have nothing better to do, and you only ever used one weapon. Then CCP looks back and goes, oh, these kids are topping leaderboards and only ever using this one weapon, maybe we should look at it. Then the same kids come to the forums, and complain about CCP attempting to bring the stats more in line, since god forbid they touch 'their' toys. So, since CCP won't pander to you, you do the next best thing, and lobby to get the things you dislike nerfed instead. That's why they've been nerfed.
To be honest, xprotoman has a point. People never wanted to advance past militia gear and then complained about getting smoked with duvolle variants and adv GEKs. Flattening the weapons ruins the concept of levelling up and using adv gear. They can nerf the damage but they shouldn't have brought them close together to the point, where it's not necessary to use adv weapons.
To the OP...uhhh, no. AR weapons require the most skill as you can't spray and pray and expect to wn 1v1s. They aren't one-shot kill weapons. And you actually have to aim & hit the target as opposed to MDs where you get a kill for missing them. Be happy, players are mostly using a weapon that requires skill instead of everyone spamming MDs or shotguns or HMGs |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
45
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:19:00 -
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Tweak it so less people will use it? Seems silly. It's all about choice and if it works for people then why "tweak" it so that the choice is taken away? |
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