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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:36:00 -
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High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad Most heavies don't have that 5 kdr simply because heavies sacrifice a VERY important part of an FPS. Movement. Movement speed is extremely important.
As for the HMG thing... It's the only thing us heavies have going for us
Edit : 1 You sir are a bad troll |
Andrew Sheaffer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
24
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Posted - 2013.01.17 00:40:00 -
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leave the heavys alone there soppot to be powerful there heavys . they are soppot to kill assaults easly that there job there weakness is the snipers get some sniper on your team you crybabys i am talking to you Mr Zitro your are the worst of them all you just want to be a god |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
417
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:01:00 -
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Andrew Sheaffer wrote:leave the heavys alone there soppot to be powerful there heavys . they are soppot to kill assaults easly that there job there weakness is the snipers get some sniper on your team you crybabys i am talking to you Mr Zitro your are the worst of them all you just want to be a god Even when I wrote quick ****** post at least English is my first language not my 3rd. So based of your logic my tank should win the game than? Ok I'm fine with that but I didn't really ask for it |
Solo the Silent
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:18:00 -
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As a new heavy, I find them rather hard to play. A squad of 4 should be thinking 'Oh Shite! A heavy' instead of 'LOL.. look at this whale! Let's fire 10 shots each at him and watch him flop about like the oversized trout that he actually is!' |
High Commander' Rhnz
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:22:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad Most heavies don't have that 5 kdr simply because heavies sacrifice a VERY important part of an FPS. Movement. Movement speed is extremely important. As for the HMG thing... It's the only thing us heavies have going for us Edit : 1 You sir are a bad troll
Really last time I checked Heavies could use every weapon THAT I could use... but wait that is all you got, or maybe its the weapon you got, because you suck with every other because that requires some skill
You logic is as broken as the HMG |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:34:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:38:00 -
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High Commander' Rhnz wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad Most heavies don't have that 5 kdr simply because heavies sacrifice a VERY important part of an FPS. Movement. Movement speed is extremely important. As for the HMG thing... It's the only thing us heavies have going for us Edit : 1 You sir are a bad troll Really last time I checked Heavies could use every weapon THAT I could use... but wait that is all you got, or maybe its the weapon you got, because you suck with every other because that requires some skill You logic is as broken as the HMG
You have 0 kills, 0 deaths, 0.00 kd/r, 0 war points and a 0.00 w/l ratio. Post with your main. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:38:00 -
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High Commander' Rhnz wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad Most heavies don't have that 5 kdr simply because heavies sacrifice a VERY important part of an FPS. Movement. Movement speed is extremely important. As for the HMG thing... It's the only thing us heavies have going for us Edit : 1 You sir are a bad troll Really last time I checked Heavies could use every weapon THAT I could use... but wait that is all you got, or maybe its the weapon you got, because you suck with every other because that requires some skill You logic is as broken as the HMG Heavies can use any weapon in the game... But that doesn't mean we heavies should. A shotty assault can be good. A heavy shotty is plain dumb. I'm saying that the only real perk to being a heavy is the HMG. The extra health is cancelled out by the lack of speed.
You seem to believe that the HMG takes no skill. I assume you also believe that every other main weapon takes no skill either.
I assume you think that the AR is the only skill weapon. Am I right? |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:41:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Heavies need a buff.
The reason everyone notices the heavies right now is cause we have hit our sweet spots. As the build goes longer all the other suits have a hug advantage and ours stays flat.
We have one weapon choice and the ability to use one damage mod maybe two if you can Max out your CPU. While the higher suits for everyone else gives them, many more slots to use allowing mire damage/shield or armor mods.
The heavy suit then gets out paced at the top end for the rest of the time.
Truer words have been been spoken. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:43:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:
You have 0 kills, 0 deaths, 0.00 kd/r, 0 war points and a 0.00 w/l ratio. Post with your main.
Haha I love that you're tracking him down. Hims too scared to post on his main |
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:45:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:A heavy shotty is plain dumb.
I used to feel the same way, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that a heavy with a Breach shotgun, good aim, and a couple damage mods would actually be pretty damn fearsome, so long as he had a few guys in the squad with nano hives.
I gained a new found respect for the breach, that thing is NASTY. I just wish it was 3 shot, instead of 2. |
Julius Vindice
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
40
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:46:00 -
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Heavy machineguns are meant to be powerful, I fired my friend's gattlingun(don't ask, he got it, he said it literally fell out of the sky when he used to live near an military airport) and it cut thru nearly everything we set out as targets, a rusted buike, beer bottles and trees and they got 3rd worlded right before our eyes. so my point being is the guns are meant to eviscerate anything its looking at and the heavies we usually encounter are likely reinforced with friends or are used to using them. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:49:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:A heavy shotty is plain dumb. I used to feel the same way, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that a heavy with a Breach shotgun, good aim, and a couple damage mods would actually be pretty damn fearsome, so long as he had a few guys in the squad with nano hives. I gained a new found respect for the breach, that thing is NASTY. I just wish it was 3 shot, instead of 2. Hmmm... Ill try it when I get on (weekend ) I'm a bit skeptical though. Without the speed to lessen the gap between you and an enemy, I don't think the shotgun would be all that useful.
Again ill experiment. The LAV with shotty heavy will be extremely good though i think. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
241
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:54:00 -
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Julius Vindice wrote:Heavy machineguns are meant to be powerful, I fired my friend's gattlingun(don't ask, he got it, he said it literally fell out of the sky when he used to live near an military airport) and it cut thru nearly everything we set out as targets, a rusted buike, beer bottles and trees and they got 3rd worlded right before our eyes. so my point being is the guns are meant to eviscerate anything its looking at and the heavies we usually encounter are likely reinforced with friends or are used to using them.
Realism and competitive shooters do not work well together... |
Solo the Silent
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:56:00 -
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Julius Vindice wrote:Heavy machineguns are meant to be powerful, I fired my friend's gattlingun(don't ask, he got it, he said it literally fell out of the sky when he used to live near an military airport) and it cut thru nearly everything we set out as targets, a rusted buike, beer bottles and trees and they got 3rd worlded right before our eyes. so my point being is the guns are meant to eviscerate anything its looking at and the heavies we usually encounter are likely reinforced with friends or are used to using them. TL:DR version reads 'We stole a gun more powerful than our BB gun and shot some beer bottles' |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
417
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:56:00 -
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Lol all the heavies want to be stronger? Good troll the only possible change I can understand is the slots changing on the suits. The rest would be nerfs |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:57:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:tracking a scout suit should be impossible when a heavy is vomiting out ammunition
No. To hell with scout suits. If you die to a HMG in a scout suit you should also be insta-gibbed upon respawning, so as to punish you for attempting to take on a heavy+HMG head-on. There should be no room in this game for scout suits to prance around in the middle of a close-range firefight and expect to survive the first few seconds of it. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:02:00 -
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High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad
Pretty much this, its said in an abrasive way looks kinda trollish but it basically stole the words from my head. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:04:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lol all the heavies want to be stronger? Good troll the only possible change I can understand is the slots changing on the suits. The rest would be nerfs Hell.... A slot change is all I'm really hoping for. 5 slots on proto heavy is kinda... Well you know.... |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:06:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:A heavy shotty is plain dumb. I used to feel the same way, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that a heavy with a Breach shotgun, good aim, and a couple damage mods would actually be pretty damn fearsome, so long as he had a few guys in the squad with nano hives. I gained a new found respect for the breach, that thing is NASTY. I just wish it was 3 shot, instead of 2. Hmmm... Ill try it when I get on (weekend ) I'm a bit skeptical though. Without the speed to lessen the gap between you and an enemy, I don't think the shotgun would be all that useful. Again ill experiment. The LAV with shotty heavy will be extremely good though i think.
Yea, it's just a theory. The reason I say breach is because it has really nasty range on it, but you have to be really careful with your aim. This is also why I think heavies might rock this, because they can actually afford to sit and line up the shot under fire.
::shrugs:: Just a thought. |
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DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:06:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad Pretty much this, its said in an abrasive way looks kinda trollish but it basically stole the words from my head. At least I'm above the "bad heavy" mark. (Sarcastic) *phew*. . I wonder what the "bad assault player" mark would be... Hmm... |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:21:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Necrodermis wrote:tracking a scout suit should be impossible when a heavy is vomiting out ammunition No. To hell with scout suits. If you die to a HMG in a scout suit you should also be insta-gibbed upon respawning, so as to punish you for attempting to take on a heavy+HMG head-on. There should be no room in this game for scout suits to prance around in the middle of a close-range firefight and expect to survive the first few seconds of it.
I have to disagree on this, having been a shotgun scout for a very long time. It's all about abusing your speed and mobility to hop over and around their line of fire, while tearing through their armor in 2-3 shots. If anything, I think shotgun scouts vs HMG Heavies are possibly the most balanced "matchup" there is right now, it feels very dynamic when both players are playing to their classes strengths. Also, HMGs do basically no damage up close to scouts, unless they literally sit still for you.
I don't know about other heavies, but if I actually see a shotgun scout moving past my lethal range and into theirs, I drop to my SMG. It seems much easier to kill them up close that way, for me anyways. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Necrodermis wrote:tracking a scout suit should be impossible when a heavy is vomiting out ammunition No. To hell with scout suits. If you die to a HMG in a scout suit you should also be insta-gibbed upon respawning, so as to punish you for attempting to take on a heavy+HMG head-on. There should be no room in this game for scout suits to prance around in the middle of a close-range firefight and expect to survive the first few seconds of it. I have to disagree on this, having been a shotgun scout for a very long time. It's all about abusing your speed and mobility to hop over and around their line of fire, while tearing through their armor in 2-3 shots. If anything, I think shotgun scouts vs HMG Heavies are possibly the most balanced "matchup" there is right now, it feels very dynamic when both players are playing to their classes strengths. Also, HMGs do basically no damage up close to scouts, unless they literally sit still for you. I don't know about other heavies, but if I actually see a shotgun scout moving past my lethal range and into theirs, I drop to my SMG. It seems much easier to kill them up close that way, for me anyways. Shotgun scouts scare me to death. I used to just pull out my pistol and hope for a lucky headshot. Now I kinda just spray everywhere randomly. Works 50% of the time |
Wicked Glory
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
98
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:27:00 -
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High Commander' Rhnz wrote:LOL at heavies think their good at the game when they a need +800HP and a pray spray weapon by definition
HMG has +2000 RPM with 16-17 damage per shot; add that with a Instant hit mechanic system and you got one OP weapon on your hands... Oh I forgot to add that the weapon becomes more accurate the longer you fire. ^ BTW this is the definition of a unskilled weapon
If you don't have at least a 5.0 KDR with a heavy then your just bad True story. |
Betty-White Chipped You
Doomheim
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Sorry guys but facts are facts, WARRIORS use the easiest classes possible. But much respect towards them :) Says the guy who complains about Armor tanks, yet rolls nothing but
nice comeback
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Betty-White Chipped You
Doomheim
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:51:00 -
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heavies are fine. i think for how slow they move they need something powerful to help them in the kill dept.
my issue is the grenade spam and the exile being more powerful then a fully upgraded gowreck. as far as everything else i think this game is slowly making progress they just need to put an option for scopes to be used on ar's if they are planning on rolling with the iron sights idea.
and i agree with the guy that said we need bigger maps because the small one with 3 objectives is a pain in the ass and its easy to get yourself trapped or be the ones to trap the enemy with no way out.
i also love the work of logis now... more medics in the field its actually great to see people reviving armor and teamates. much respect to those who are doing it. |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:57:00 -
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Im laughing about the ppl take heavy just because they are good..... Its sure the suit get nerfing and ppl lose their SP in the heavy because no reboot LOLOL
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:10:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:A heavy shotty is plain dumb. I used to feel the same way, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that a heavy with a Breach shotgun, good aim, and a couple damage mods would actually be pretty damn fearsome, so long as he had a few guys in the squad with nano hives. I gained a new found respect for the breach, that thing is NASTY. I just wish it was 3 shot, instead of 2. Hmmm... Ill try it when I get on (weekend ) I'm a bit skeptical though. Without the speed to lessen the gap between you and an enemy, I don't think the shotgun would be all that useful. Again ill experiment. The LAV with shotty heavy will be extremely good though i think.
I can't imagine there being much difference using the shotgun VS the HMG on a heavy. You guys are CQC masters after all, you're used to using extremely dominant weapons in close range. Plus the shotguns effective range is pretty similar to the HMG (which is much further than it should be IMO, for both weapons).
I think it would be quite interesting if assault or scout players could carry around a HMG, I'd hedge my bets that is what 95% of the player base would run around with. Because these maps are far too small and condensed for the minor lack of range to really be an issue. Most gunfights in this game occur within the HMG's ideal distance (especially on ambush), not even you guys can deny that.
That is the biggest problem with the HMG, it's range is much too great. An AR and HMG pretty much have identical ideal ranges, because as the HMG rounds spread, the AR's bullets lose intensity. Therefore AR player has to get closer in, and that means the HMG has more bullets hitting, mix that with the massive heath of a heavy and the high RPM of the gun, HMG/heavy have the advantage by a long shot.
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KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
207
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:44:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Heavies need a buff.
The reason everyone notices the heavies right now is cause we have hit our sweet spots. As the build goes longer all the other suits have a hug advantage and ours stays flat.
We have one weapon choice and the ability to use one damage mod maybe two if you can Max out your CPU. While the higher suits for everyone else gives them, many more slots to use allowing mire damage/shield or armor mods.
The heavy suit then gets out paced at the top end for the rest of the time.
Well said tastee...and in terms of overall balance I think this is 100% correct. Up to the type II I think the balance is there. After that the SP&ISK investment vs effectiveness just isnt there. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:46:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:tracking a scout suit should be impossible when a heavy is vomiting out ammunition
No worries man, in the beginning of each build scouts always start out with the short end of the stick, once you get your a-series and complex shield extenders that's when things begin to look up.
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