Release the Kraken!!!

Dear god, please stay away from my Flux grenades. They are the only "manly" grenades out there.

haha, like i said it hurts me too because i am an avid flux nade user, even when i roll AR i like using flux because everyone shield tanks like its their job. But look at those numbers and there is no denying that they are out of whack with the rest of the grenades, except perhaps AV nades since we dont know the direct damage value of them yet.

Edit-- Im not asking for this nerf per se im just leaving it their for discussion, i havent even suggested it to Nova Knife yet because i dont want CCP going nuts, but i would like to get opinions from others. Its a shame that we just dont have enough people using flux given the current state of locus use, so its really underrepresented.

flux has been broke forever. I get it you spam flux then use the noob tube. I do the same on my alt because I would be embarrased as a gamer to banter knowing thats how i get my kills.

flux should effect suits or vehicles based on profile size so a flux aka damage scaling. So tanks get full damage while a scout may only lose half its shields. Heavies could lose most (since some have more)

I solve the problem. next item

No the problem is already solved. When an infantry loses all of its shields it is totally different than when a vehicle loses most of its shield. Already the grenade is a lot less 'effective' in the HP damage its done.

Also, an additional downside of the flux grenades is that if you lose your shields and then you die to weapon fire, you can still be injected on the field. With regular grenades thats not an option.

Also, it says they hurt electronics, but can anyone confirm that this actually happens to anything like sensors, shiled modules, or vehicle mods?

Dude, its rock paper scissors. As a logi, I use my flux nades and MD to keep you fast shield scouts and assaults away from me and my HMG heavy. I don't need more of you shooting at us. Go armor tank if you have a problem with flux grenades. Everything has its hard counter. If the team you are playing seems to be anti shield, make sure you have a tank setup ready to respawn with.

This is not your mothers FPS. HTFU.

Dude, its rock paper scissors. As a logi, I use my flux nades and MD to keep you fast shield scouts and assaults away from me and my HMG heavy. I don't need more of you shooting at us. Go armor tank if you have a problem with flux grenades. Everything has its hard counter. If the team you are playing seems to be anti shield, make sure you have a tank setup ready to respawn with.

This is not your mothers FPS. HTFU.

Hey i spent a lot of SP so i could chuck flux and spam "noob" tube. Im not embarrased by it as a squishy logi i want to use the only weapon slot i have to make sure i can "clear out" enemies and rez/rep my buddies. I mean im always yeling back the eff up on comms when im firing it cause i want ppl to run and quake when im around....makes me feel manly darnit.

I do like you're scaled damage idea just not sure if it is doable from a coding aspect if a flux is thrown at a tank with enemies near it as well. Also i think having the variants make it less of an all-purpose shield stripping nade and forces players to be more concious of their flux nade selection.

HTFU? put up a corp contract for 20 mill for imperfects to take then. Wait.. whats that sound yeah it's you STFU. Corp Battle or your just a *****

Want to disagree and provide supporting reasons? Go ahead and we can argue back and forth about it. Saying **** like this proves that you know that "Your weapon/nade combo" Is broken and all you can do is talk **** instead of defend it.

So many players in dust only do one thing or us one weapon and their world revolves around it. Those are the opinions in dust that mean ****

First off beers, its an effective combo and one that makes sense to use, like flux and swarm launcher on a shield tank, or AR/Smg or scout suit and shotty.

I mean if everything became just an AR vs AR battle(not suggesting thats what you want just using as an example) the game would be utterly boring. Yes i want good gunfights but i also want weapon versatility and combinations of weapons/nades/vehicles and everything else. I just want to make sure its done in a balanced manner.

Also using a flux nade follwed by any gun other than LR is a good effective combo and just as good a reason to use them.

But the reason why i made this thread is specifically in how effective that combo is because of the INSANE level of shield damage flux nades currently do.
If that was the point of your previous thread i apoligize for the misinterpretation.

Oh i see it now, yea my response was also meant in a normal manner too. But i try to also play devils advocate and try to help both sides on the argument.

According to your numbers though, a standard grenade will knock out most if not all of the shields of the majority of the community. In fact a standard grenade will knock out all the shields AND do armor damage to most scouts and logis. The Flux, while devastating in shield damage, doesn't really do anything that a standard grenade can't do.

According to your numbers though, a standard grenade will knock out most if not all of the shields of the majority of the community. In fact a standard grenade will knock out all the shields AND do armor damage to most scouts and logis. The Flux, while devastating in shield damage, doesn't really do anything that a standard grenade can't do.

@ beers.

I think you might be wrong about the all or none effect of flux nades, ive had instances of flux nades only doing partial shield damage when at the periphery but perhaps at the very very edge of it(like having a foot just inside breaking the border of the field), given their high level of damage its possible it goes unnoticed since even a poorly tossed nade with the radius is enough to strip away the entire shielding.

Dust Revelations 1:1

"Rock is overpowered, Paper is fine"
-Scissors

Good quote. but like I said when you meet a corp that exclusively runs gallente/amarr combat doctrine people will immediately start griping that Flux grenades are worthless.

they'd ***** in EVE that gallente blasters and rails were OP if they weren't the most difficult weapon types to deploy in their respective classes with anything resembling efficiency.

HTFU? put up a corp contract for 20 mill for imperfects to take then. Wait.. whats that sound yeah it's you STFU. Corp Battle or your just a *****

Its called the meta game.
If weapon A is really powerful and people use it a lot, and there is a weapon B that counters it, then people will start using weapon B to counter weapon A.
So the numbers using weapon A drop and then weapon C is brought in to take care of weapon B.
And it goes like that forever, it keeps the game fresh.

In EVE for example, if people started using armor all the time, then people would switch to explosive ammo, but then armor users focus resistance on explosive so the others resistances are weak.
Then they switch to shields because armor is being countered too much, and it goes on forever.
You see how it works?

Flux grenades have the same diminishing effect bassed on range as locus.

HOWEVER.

Flux grenades START at 1200 EM damage with armor being 100% resistent. they're the happy medium between AV and locus grenades, and they're not exactly OP because if you escape your shields regen a LOT faster than armor ever could. thirty seconds later you're back in the fight at full throttle. this is why mass drivers synergize so well with them. If you can catch 2-3 people with a flux then your mass driver becomes the sandpaper grinder of terror.

but flux are pretty much wasted on heavy dropsuits and armor tanked minmatar logistics suits. they're mostly effective against caldari vehicles, and scout/assault dropsuits.

Once CCP introduces all classes of dropsuit to all races Flux will become a niche toy used via corporation combat doctrine based on most frequently encountered opposition. primarily useful against caldari and minmatar and next to worthless against gallente and amarr.