grenades don't need a dedicated button. They should have to be swapped to like any other piece of equipment, and thrown using R1.

Problem: Frame-rate. It's way too low for competitive multi-player gaming. Sub 20fps alot of the time.

Fix: Can there be one? The engine is not optimised this far in development.

I cant even begin to understand the decision to make grenades the way they are now. They were working quite well last build. It's like remote explosives all over again

i agree sometimes the frame rate gets bad, but if it cant be fixed during this next week or two i believe it should just come after we get the easiest most frustrating bugs out the way first. i dont always get bad frame rate

Problem: I say fix the damage when you get stuck on the hill parts as you climb certain areas in the terrain. Why you loose half your shield hp.

You do, you probably just notice it when the things get busy.

This should have been priority number 1 about 4 builds ago. Stable, smooth frame-rate is the cornerstone of a competitive FPS. I the frame-rate is too low, it hurts controller responsiveness (input lag in other words).

We're talking about about first impressions here really. First time player boots up the game, plays Ambush, laughs at how amateurish it is and quickly goes back to one of the countless other shooters out there that feel smoother/better to play.

This is the enormous task that Dust is up against. It is vying for the most precious commodity of all; a persons time. The FPS market is unbelievably competitive at the moment. If your game isn't competing with the big boys, then you are looking at a premature demise.

There's not a hope in hell (unless they are planning to release a new build) that the frame-rate and general polish is getting sorted in two weeks.

I honestly can't see CCP not changing this back (grenades). There has been such a community backlash that they are most def. changing the fuse.

Now with spawns, the idea of being dropped in, a la starhawk, always seemed like a good spawn solution. I totally agree we need more game modes, especially the old rush style map. I think ccp is really underestimating what that map did for the game.

My beef, vehicles, especially the DS are not a tactical option. Give us back a little of what u took from the missile nerf, and make the vehicles a better source of game play. Get bored running from obj. to obj. all the time, would like to fly and do other things but it isn't rewarding at all.

great post, this is why i made this thread. we need to let CCP know that these types of issues NEED to fixed before open beta or at least right after it launches.

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Like I said, it just doesn't seem to be progressing at all and the lack of developer feedback is draining. Build after build arrives and the fundamentals still feel as amateurish as the last. More stats are implemented, more tweaking options, more bollocks in other words. More noise that the average player doesn't give a **** about. Less time spent making the core gameplay something special.

You know what? It annoys the living **** out of me because if this was in the hands of a more capable developer we'd have the best of both worlds. We'd have game-play and technical mastery to die for, amazing sound design, gun-play to match the very best to go hand in hand with probably the most interesting idea that has ever been tried with an FPS.

Problem: Frame-rate. It's way too low for competitive multi-player gaming. Sub 20fps alot of the time.

Fix: Can there be one? The engine is not optimised this far in development.

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3). Undo the damage flattening : enough said

Problem: Spawns are horrible in Ambush. They are very much Call of Duty style. What do i mean by this? Basically there is a random spawn system in COD which is very bad for competitive play. Once many people make the jump to DUST 514 they will be very disappointed with spawning into 2-3 different enemies. That really makes these players mad.

Fix: Somehow we need to make a return to the style of map first shown in the first DUST build. With the task of escorting the MCC past objective A&B and into the enemy base. We NEED more of those types of maps. The feeling of actually having to push forward and push the enemy back till we reach their main base was awesome. That map eliminated random spawns so it was very rare to have someone spawn right behind or in front of you. It felt like tug-of-war instead of the "run around with our head cut off" direction the current maps have. We need more direction in these maps.

uhm should this help newbies to keep playing dust? don't think so... as somebody before me said, first impression is really important and a new guy that gets slaughtered isn't a good one. Still I think this open beta is going to fail. It's not a matter of grenades or damage flattening, it's just because it's so rough that more than a ready-to-be-open beta seems like a pre alfa. An example? Snipers owns just because maps are rough with just some rocks here and there and no "vegetation" or similar things. Tanks owns and get owned for the same reason. And i mentioned just one of the millions of bugs and problems this beta has. And it's a pity because I really enjoy this game's concept and really appreciate ccp's hard work

uhm should this help newbies to keep playing dust? don't think so... as somebody before me said, first impression is really important and a new guy that gets slaughtered isn't a good one. Still I think this open beta is going to fail. It's not a matter of grenades or damage flattening, it's just because it's so rough that more than a ready-to-be-open beta seems like a pre alfa. An example? Snipers owns just because maps are rough with just some rocks here and there and no "vegetation" or similar things. Tanks owns and get owned for the same reason. And i mentioned just one of the millions of bugs and problems this beta has. And it's a pity because I really enjoy this game's concept and really appreciate ccp's hard work

ok; well, considering new players too will upgrade gear; they will also notice the lack of difference b/t weapons damage. Once the massive income notice this, they will put the game down & find something that shows the advantage of progress, which as is, weapons do not.

Ok so I'll explain better, maybe it's just me my english might not be that good especially at 6 AM.
What I meant is that people don't like to get owned, especially FPS players, because they/we think/s that everything's literarily in our hands (sometimes our connections but that's another topic). If a new guy shoot you in the back, and you beta tester shoot him back with your brand new Duvolle AR fitted with 2 damage mod, who will win? With the damage flattening it's still unfair, but reasonable let's say 70% for you and 30% for him. Without it it's a 99.9% for you at least.
The newb get owned. Try again to kill someone else. get owned. the newb leave the game.

we don't need to bring in "newbies" thats the problem CCP has now.

Yeah but that was the topic. And by the way, if you don't have other players to fight, who would you fight?

if anything getting killed by that weapon would only make the noob what to work toward getting that weapon. listen while i spit this lol how many times have you been i a match and seen most of your team go 4-10, 1-9, 0-15? even with weapon flattening noobs will always be noobs. CCP needs to stop trying to close the gap....NOOBS WILL BE NOOBS.

if anything getting killed by that weapon would only make the noob what to work toward getting that weapon. listen while i spit this lol how many times have you been i a match and seen most of your team go 4-10, 1-9, 0-15? even with weapon flattening noobs will always be noobs. CCP needs to stop trying to close the gap....NOOBS WILL BE NOOBS.

problem: they favor shields over armor by miles
give some cons to shields or give mor pros to armor

problem: they favor explosives AV
they have 30% effeciency against armor which on an av grenade that does 1750 = 2,187 per av nade -.- swarms if all 4 militia hit do 1500 per volley which is fine for swarms but av nades? they should do equal damage to shield and armor like the forge gun but nope they do 69% against shields

problem: they limit of gametypes
the only reason i TDM is cause its quicker and the blues dont weigh you down as much as skirmish. new gametypes like CTF, headquarters, search and destroy, rush etc.

problem: they favor shields over armor by miles
give some cons to shields or give mor pros to armor

problem: they favor explosives AV
they have 30% effeciency against armor which on an av grenade that does 1750 = 2,187 per av nade -.- swarms if all 4 militia hit do 1500 per volley which is fine for swarms but av nades? they should do equal damage to shield and armor like the forge gun but nope they do 69% against shields

problem: they limit of gametypes
the only reason i TDM is cause its quicker and the blues dont weigh you down as much as skirmish. new gametypes like CTF, headquarters, search and destroy, rush etc.

grenades don't need a dedicated button. They should have to be swapped to like any other piece of equipment, and thrown using R1.

Ok, you have to wake up. Grenades were already ok in beta before, your solution is obviously not the correct one. What kind of fps would make you switch to grenades to throw them, dear god. I don't even, these forums...