DUST Search - DUST feels like a job now

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Anyone else have this feeling?
daily cap forcing ppl to get on an play everyday to not fall behind
some cant play so they AFK in MCC and hit their cap that way

serious map balance issues on Manus Peak with 1 side gettin to A and C before enemy can get B
idk the fun for me has been sapped outta the game its nothing but pubs pubs pubs and more pubs
nothing meaningful and this been in beta for almost a year now

like where is the real modes already?
where is the meaningful battles?
corp battles still a joke atm , u have ppl puttin up 100K contracts yet go full tryhard in full proto gear........like wtf?
no one wants to risk anything but everyone wants to be rewarded i dont get it.
And tbqh corp battles dont feel like anything more than gambling, there is no purpose in the dust side of FW atm.

Open beta comes on the 22nd and i pray to god the noobs arent made to play this build im hoping for a new build to spice things up because this SP cap, only 3 maps, bland corp matches, only 2 game modes is not enough to hold ppl attention imo.

The game is gonna be judged as a demo come the 22nd, i hope CCP is ready because if it gets a bad reception from the public there goes ur playerbase.

Anyone else feel like dust is just grind grind grind hit cap log off now?

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Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:06:00 - [1] - Quote Anyone else have this feeling? daily cap forcing ppl to get on an play everyday to not fall behind some cant play so they AFK in MCC and hit their cap that way serious map balance issues on Manus Peak with 1 side gettin to A and C before enemy can get B idk the fun for me has been sapped outta the game its nothing but pubs pubs pubs and more pubs nothing meaningful and this been in beta for almost a year now like where is the real modes already? where is the meaningful battles? corp battles still a joke atm , u have ppl puttin up 100K contracts yet go full tryhard in full proto gear........like wtf? no one wants to risk anything but everyone wants to be rewarded i dont get it. And tbqh corp battles dont feel like anything more than gambling, there is no purpose in the dust side of FW atm. Open beta comes on the 22nd and i pray to god the noobs arent made to play this build im hoping for a new build to spice things up because this SP cap, only 3 maps, bland corp matches, only 2 game modes is not enough to hold ppl attention imo. The game is gonna be judged as a demo come the 22nd, i hope CCP is ready because if it gets a bad reception from the public there goes ur playerbase. Anyone else feel like dust is just grind grind grind hit cap log off now?
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 231	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:09:00 - [2] - Quote Its feeling less and less like a FPS and more and more like a MMO. Oh wait.. Its a FPS/MMO.. hence the daily grind. Better get used to it, this is just the start of it. Just wait for the next big update to shake the New Eden Universe. When that comes.. SoonGäó
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:09:00 - [3] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Anyone else have this feeling? daily cap forcing ppl to get on an play everyday to not fall behind some cant play so they AFK in MCC and hit their cap that way serious map balance issues on Manus Peak with 1 side gettin to A and C before enemy can get B idk the fun for me has been sapped outta the game its nothing but pubs pubs pubs and more pubs nothing meaningful and this been in beta for almost a year now like where is the real modes already? where is the meaningful battles? corp battles still a joke atm , u have ppl puttin up 100K contracts yet go full tryhard in full proto gear........like wtf? no one wants to risk anything but everyone wants to be rewarded i dont get it. And tbqh corp battles dont feel like anything more than gambling, there is no purpose in the dust side of FW atm. Open beta comes on the 22nd and i pray to god the noobs arent made to play this build im hoping for a new build to spice things up because this SP cap, only 3 maps, bland corp matches, only 2 game modes is not enough to hold ppl attention imo. The game is gonna be judged as a demo come the 22nd, i hope CCP is ready because if it gets a bad reception from the public there goes ur playerbase. Anyone else feel like dust is just grind grind grind hit cap log off now? You've finally seen this game for what it is.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:10:00 - [4] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: ... forcing ppl to get on an play everyday to not fall behind ... The merc with the highest SP wins?
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1029	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:11:00 - [5] - Quote So what your saying is dust isn't good? Lame, I can't even troll you more because you are dead on. No worries I will make up for it on the laser thread. - Worst part of job is takes like 3 hours to hit cap when ccp dc's you or kicks you to merc quarter 50% of the time.
3nder Wigg1n Keepers of the Sacred Cloth 27	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:13:00 - [6] - Quote I can see how it could be viewed that way, but I don't see it that way. If a videogame ever feels like a job, you probably shouldn't be playing it (unless you're a pro and making money at it). I personally have a lot of fun playing Dust, and if I didn't, I wouldn't play it. I agree the game needs work. It needs polish and content, but we know those things are coming. This game does not have the same development cycle as any other fps really, because CCP plans to support it for years to come. The game has some great foundations laid out, and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:14:00 - [7] - Quote to be fair the cap will be endless. They want it to take 7 years to max out. And they will add more skills. You will NEVER max out a character, EVER. EVER EVER EVER. Just like eve online, get used to it. I do however support more sensible so cap systems many of which have been suggested on the forums in the feedback section and you should go post in them to show your support. The current daily system is trash, but the same goal canbe accomplished without making it feel like ajob. Instead having a rolling cap that carries over a weeks worth of sp. So you also gain sp when you play unless you play nonstop. If you played once a week you'd have to play 10 hours to cap out. If you play every it takes 2 hours a day. I think that's sensible. Let use choose when to earn our sp. Don't make us log in every day. ugh, you can still limit the cap on people who play every day.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:17:00 - [8] - Quote Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I'm guessing that a lot of people in the top 10% aren't there because they have all the best gear, they have specialized in one or two things that they've figured out how to use well.
V Shadow DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:19:00 - [9] - Quote do feel that having some sort of skill pool for storing up to a weeks worth of unplayed for sp would be more beneficial.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:19:00 - [10] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: ... forcing ppl to get on an play everyday to not fall behind ... The merc with the highest SP wins? Good point really. Also CCP needs to let us train passive sp on every character. Becuase unless eve online, this game is free. So you can make 3 accounts, and have 3 characters training sp passively. So if it can be avoided with a work around there is literally no reason to not let all three characters train passive sp. Obviously boosters would be tied to a character. But please it wouldn't work in eve online, but it dust, come on.

fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Anyone else feel like dust is just grind grind grind hit cap log off now? Most definitely. As an example, I got home last night at 10 PM after running all over doing kids\family stuff... I felt obligated to log in because I needed to get my skill points for the day..... just couldn't make it past 1 game... now I feel like I cheated myself out of SP because i didn't play for 2 hours.. it's feeling more cumbersome just to log in.. and when I do during the week.. often times I find myself just jumping into games with randoms wanting to get it over with as quickly as possible... Go back to the weekly cap. The daily cap gives much less feeling of accomplishment. The feeling of return is diminished and is resulting in less fun for a large number of people, in my opinion.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote This is exactly what I've argued the SP cap causes, and I feel the same. It's a running joke amongst the gaming community that EVE is a second job and a glorified spreadsheet, so it shouldn't come as a surprise. That's no excuse for Dust to be the same. My proposal for a fix here.
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Free Beers wrote: - Worst part of job is takes like 3 hours to hit cap when ccp dc's you or kicks you to merc quarter 50% of the time. This has gotten really bad. Half the time I'm on, i'm getting nothing out of it... so 2 hours turns to 3-4 hours.. .JUST to hit the daily cap. I used to hit the weekly cap in that much time alone... which is fine I guess.. If they're wanting to slow the gain down per game. That's fine... but don't do that and make it a daily cap at the same time. Go back to weekly cap !!
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:30:00 - [14] - Quote fahrenheitM wrote: Free Beers wrote: - Worst part of job is takes like 3 hours to hit cap when ccp dc's you or kicks you to merc quarter 50% of the time. This has gotten really bad. Half the time I'm on, i'm getting nothing out of it... so 2 hours turns to 3-4 hours.. .JUST to hit the daily cap. I used to hit the weekly cap in that much time alone... which is fine I guess.. If they're wanting to slow the gain down per game. That's fine... but don't do that and make it a daily cap at the same time. Go back to weekly cap !! tbh i dont mind the gains being slow its just that thats ALL we do....SP SP SP SP SP SP SP like srsly it took almost a year to get stability and gameplay down and it still isnt even full 100% right yet either im in the same boat as u fahren last night i was running on 2 hrs sleep took a power nap and forced myself to get on just to finish off my cap and log off the game wouldnt feel like its cheating u so much if CCP implemented an SP pool BEFORE doin this cap bs personally i prefer a weekly cap and a pool so ppl tht miss days/weeks wont be punished
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:31:00 - [15] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Open beta comes on the 22nd and i pray to god the noobs arent made to play this build im hoping for a new build to spice things up because this SP cap, only 3 maps, bland corp matches, only 2 game modes is not enough to hold ppl attention imo. Anyone else feel like dust is just grind grind grind hit cap log off now? Dust 514 in a nutshell.
Duo H Maxwell SyNergy Gaming 38	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:33:00 - [16] - Quote Free Beers wrote: So what your saying is dust isn't good? Lame, I can't even troll you more because you are dead on. No worries I will make up for it on the laser thread. - Worst part of job is takes like 3 hours to hit cap when ccp dc's you or kicks you to merc quarter 50% of the time. Beers be trollin'. Agreed this does feel like a job, just gotta hit that cap, make that money! I mean, sure I like DUST but I don't like it that much to be forced to play it every single day and deal with the silly DCing(yes i know it's a beta, get off me "CCP nut lickers"). Unless we talking competitive matches which remain to be seen for the most part. But ya, open beta...gonna be interesting.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:37:00 - [17] - Quote I agree. For the first time since June I feel less and less inclined to play this game each day. Even the meta game is growing stale with the daily sp cap in place.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:38:00 - [18] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Its feeling less and less like a FPS and more and more like a MMO. Oh wait.. Its a FPS/MMO.. hence the daily grind. Better get used to it, this is just the start of it. Just wait for the next big update to shake the New Eden Universe. When that comes.. SoonGäó It doesn't feel like an MMO. If you're lvl 50 in a MMO you just destroy lvls 1 with your breath. Proto/Advance/Standar/Militia all the same
Noraa Anderson Nox Aeterna Security 184	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:41:00 - [19] - Quote Personally I only started playing last month and I'm getting tired of the current affair. So screw grinding for SP! I'm only going to play a little every day and then have fun with my Corp mates on the weekend. It's not like you need anything other than Militia equipment anyway!
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:43:00 - [20] - Quote Green Living wrote: I agree. For the first time since June I feel less and less inclined to play this game each day. Even the meta game is growing stale with the daily sp cap in place. The weekly cap was fun becuase you got a HUGE amount of skill points in 2-3 days. The start of the week you got to feel liek you could unlock whole new builds. And then for the next 4 days you had low sp returns, but you had tons of new stuff to play with if you want to keep playing. While It keeps the sp limit in place, the feel like the start of the week was fun becuase people would jump up super fast into new builds and I'd say that it makes progression feel faster. also it should be 500sp at least not 50 once you hit cap.

crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:45:00 - [21] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Its feeling less and less like a FPS and more and more like a MMO. Oh wait.. Its a FPS/MMO.. hence the daily grind. Better get used to it, this is just the start of it. Just wait for the next big update to shake the New Eden Universe. When that comes.. SoonGäó It doesn't feel like an MMO. If you're lvl 50 in a MMO you just destroy lvls 1 with your breath. Proto/Advance/Standar/Militia all the same Yes a proto logi with 4 mids and 4 lows and 4 equipment is not better than militia at all in anyway. It's not like I could fit it out for a 500/400 tank with extra damage and speed mods.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 36	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:46:00 - [22] - Quote My take on this situation: The new skill cap has nothing to do with game balance (i.e. The amount of SP earned per week is no different). CCP wasn't selling enough seven day active booster, because all the hardcore gamers would plow through they're weekly skill caps in less than three days; in which case nearly all hardcore players only bought three day active boosters, thus, completely eliminating the need to ever purchase a seven day skill booster. Advised course of action: RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 639	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Its feeling less and less like a FPS and more and more like a MMO. Oh wait.. Its a FPS/MMO.. hence the daily grind. Better get used to it, this is just the start of it. Just wait for the next big update to shake the New Eden Universe. When that comes.. SoonGäó It doesn't feel like an MMO. If you're lvl 50 in a MMO you just destroy lvls 1 with your breath. Proto/Advance/Standar/Militia all the same oh really? Then why did people use Proto suits / guns before the reset? If they are the same then surely people would use a cheaper set up, over a proto set up which costs more isk than you make a game...right?
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:57:00 - [24] - Quote Calling them all the same is a straight troll post. Just the jump from the skinweave to the Assault-II feels like a huge change.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:01:00 - [25] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Its feeling less and less like a FPS and more and more like a MMO. Oh wait.. Its a FPS/MMO.. hence the daily grind. Better get used to it, this is just the start of it. Just wait for the next big update to shake the New Eden Universe. When that comes.. SoonGäó Agreed! Welcome to the world of MMO! Better get used to it...it only gets worse over time. They all feel like a job after a while with the grind for daily/weekly/monthly limits. I've gotten really (and I mean REALLY) wrapped up in 3 different MMOs in my lifetime and all 3 of them were the same, as far as grinding every day to reach the limits. One thing that should (and hopefully will) make things a little more interesting once Dust is released is side quests. I'm not sure how they will be implemented but surely there will be something more to the game than what we have now. Also, I fully expect Sony to blow it with this game just like they do with nearly every (exclusive) game they ever release....just saying! Most people I've talked to about it have never even heard of it yet, which seems par-for-the-course with any new Sony exclusive. Word-of-mouth advertising works well and is the best method, for some businesses....video games isn't one of them! I will also add: I'm sure this has been said 1,000,000 times already but........remember, it still is a beta! The full game will hopefully have a little more excitement added.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:01:00 - [26] - Quote protogear will become useful once we can get our pay from eve players.
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote is someone lacking faith in their own skills?
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 324	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:16:00 - [28] - Quote The daily cap should be less of a big deal once people get to high levels in their favorite specialization, since at that point when they're using their preferred fit they're just as effective as the guy who has every skill in the game trained to level 5. That's how eve works. You start off as a weak little noobship pilot but with a couple months of focused training you could fly frigates or destroyers just as effectively as any veteran can. Once you're at that point the active SP will feel more like a bonus that gets you toys you might play with once in a while. The tutorials should probably direct people to play around with lots of different militia gear to find what they like, and then specialize in that to start. If you train a little bit of a lot of things you're going to feel like you're being left behind.
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2013.01.15 20:55:00 - [29] - Quote I agree with the author. I think when people requested a daily cap, I think they believed they'd accrue more SP but the max SP is basically the same as it was and now the game is a pain. At least weekly, you could get to your cap at your leisure and make up time if necessary. Now if you don't play, you are falling behind everyone else who is playing. This really is limiting players as not everyone can play everyday. I know my wife is getting tired of me trying to find time for this daily.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2013.01.15 21:17:00 - [30] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: ppl puttin up 100K contracts yet go full tryhard in full proto gear lolwut?



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