I disagree. If anything, the forge gun should have greater effective range, but less splash damage.

+1 forge gun def needs some tweaks in range mostly as well as damage. Also I'm a fan of anti-vehicle weapons being strictly for vehicles, i.e forge guns should only have a splash damage effect on things with a small signature radius, like all guns have in eve. Smaller the ship bigger the gun, less damage it does if it even hits at all.

First off I can tell half you guys are do not even understand what your talking about.

Now on to Militant tanks vs militant AV there is no balance here. Militant AV by far has the advantage. First off most expensive militant swarm fit is free. Most expensive forge fit is less then 2k. Both can 3 hit pure militant fit tanks with out sp put into them. 4 hit if your skills are maxed out and tank is militant fit. Militant tanks cost 150k about to fit out all militant with BPO modules included. Can cost up to 200k with out BPOs BPOs have to be payed for by real life money.

Militant gear performs as good as standard for the most part forge gun is missing 1 round swarms 2 rounds

Militant swarms vs armor actually hit harder then advanced swarms base damage.

So in the main what zitro is saying is there is no balance across the tiers of AV vs the tiers of tanks. In pup matches no one has to go past militant gear to take down most standard tanks even proto tanks can easily be turned by team of smart players with militant AV. AV is not balanced because no one has a reason to really spec into it. why spec into a proto swarm when I can get a group of kids to run in militant and easily destroy any tank out there.

Militant AV is unbalanced currently. get a squad of 4 guys with militant forges they can melt a proto tank like nothing and there is no way for ground people to be quick enough to engage and kill of the 4 guys before they launch there second shot which will kill the tank. Get 4 guys with militant swarms and you will combat any armor tank on the field if you do not stand in the middle of the road as a easy kill. I watch proto armor tanks melt to militia swarms.

Swarms can hid behind cover while locking aim up and fire repeat with out any risk. Forge guys can head glitch while firing a hip fired weapon and I am at there mercy and forced to back up because it is impossible to hit them with my blaster while they are still able to hit me with there hip fired forge. but that is a different **** up on ccps behalf anyways.

And all CCP keeps balancing things such as tanks toward militia gear.

Do you truely think it is fair that a enemy team can take out a proto tank with out having to have one guy speced into AV. Because you just need part of your team to convert to militia gear to take out the tank and all they sacrifice is k/d while tankers sacrifice a couple million isk per tank.

And for militia AV verses militia tanks all you sacrifice is K/D because your AV fit is free against a tanker who risks 350k+ to fit a militant tank to survive more then one person AVing it with milita gear.

Sorry militant gear is cheap and not balanced for its performance lvls. It outperforms any militant vehicle.

And for AV grenades I agree on how deadly they are against armor tanks I can 3 hit any soma and been 3 hitting some guys madrugar all night with my standard AV nades.

If you're infantry, and you're staying still enough to get hit by a forge gun, then you deserve to get hit. It has a very loud and bright charging animation that makes it easy to notice and avoid.

Obviously you don't play eve and wouldn't understand the mechanics, as for staying still, since when has it been hard to nuke a moving target with the forge gun. Also if shooting you from halfway across the map I'm so sure you'll hear that charge up, lucky to even see it.

This is not EVE. I don't see why you need to bring your pompous condescending attitude.

You greatly exaggerate the splash damage and radius of the forge gun. For a gun with no aiming down sights or zoom ability, the splash damage is fair way trade. It has a lack of precision, long charge time, and only heavies can use it only balances; all of this makes the splash damage and radius fair. Because of this, I have no problem with it being used to snipe infantry. If you don't want to be sniped by forge guns, then the range nerf would be enough. There is no need to tie damage to signature radius.
The time it takes for a forge gun to charge and fire, a sniper could have already killed you, and you wouldn't see a sniper across the map either.

Bunch of arrogant and stupid stuff while making the mistake of assuming playing God's Gift to Timesinks makes people stand in awe.

So, to make the thread short, cut the range of a Militia Forge Gun by atleast 1/3. It's far too strong atm.

Been spending time with the Militia Forge Gun today and I feel it has far too much range.

What I've killed today:
Tanks (Pretty easy when you're above them and they cannot hide.)
Infantry (Again, get up higher and they're so toast)
Snipers (lol, splash damage = win. Get done in glitchers)

I think my recent game with a Forge Gun I went 16/0. You simply maintain a height advantage so you can see over cover and buildings and you'll mash everything. Problem is, I was sitting far away most of the time firing shots with amazing accuracy and great range.

So, to make the thread short, cut the range of a Militia Forge Gun by atleast 1/3. It's far too strong atm.

They shouldn't be as effective against infantry as they are now. The argument "They have a slow charge and are hard to aim so anyone who gets hit with one deserves to die" is hollow, because it's really not hard to hit them. Seriously.

To the tank pilots who use the "but my tank costs more than your forge" rebuttal.


Av 'nades cost almost nothing.
My Saga costs around 300,000.
4 av grenades will kill my Saga.

All it takes is a jerk with a nanohive or two people who see me nearby. At least forge guns can only be carried by slow, bulky heavy suits. My LAV can be taken out by any suit on the field, INCLUDING the ones hunting your ass down, and I NEVER know who has the AV 'nades until they throw them. Quit complaining and realize that a forge gun was MEANT to do what it does to your tank.

And if you think it's easy to track you down to kill your tank, you are out of your mind. Once in a while a forge gunner will find himself in a good spot to shoot at you, but most of the time he's dodging bullets and missiles and LAV's, not counting whatever you are shooting at him, trying to get a clear line of sight on you, and once he starts charging up a shot, every red dot in the area hears it and sees that glowing blue light. When a forge gunner can get one shot off without being shot at, he's having a good day.

Forge guns VS tanks are working as intended, minus some hit detection, aiming, and splash damage issues.

Just be glad those aren't fixed yet.

Dude, I love your posts so much! xDD You need a corp?

Possibly. Im still asking what my eve corp wants to do with us mobile organic tank tread and bumper decoration subsystems. If there is no profound evil happening I may hit you up.

I disagree. If anything, the forge gun should have greater effective range, but less splash damage.

If you're infantry, and you're staying still enough to get hit by a forge gun, then you deserve to get hit. It has a very loud and bright charging animation that makes it easy to notice and avoid.

As long as we're talking ONLY about the militia I'll take this seriously. the instant we begin talking about tier 1 and up you get dismissed as a troll, or worse.

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This information is largely irrelevant. In a given day just about any player can reasonably expect to kill tanks, infantry (of which snipers are), LAVs and the occasional dropship doing a faceplant into the ground. Now, when we have vehicle drivers that are running around in marauders with actual proto tank modules this information begins shaping into something we need to look at more seriously.

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Taking the time to take the sure shot on stationary targets will definitely lead to this, especially if your opponents can't figure out where to find you. Forge gun Vs. Shotgun is usually pretty one sided.

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Again, as long as it's a militia weapon, I don't care much. Again, when this starts floating to level 1-5 forges then you have lost your mind. Also if you intend to rip the range out, leave the damage output alone. losing 100 meters of range is a rather sharp kick in the ass and insures redline tanks will be untouchable. Or are you suggesting reducing the range on militia railguns as well?

More pro vehicle whiners.

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That is all.

I normally run with the forge gun and would dissagree with reducing the range as well to be honest its a bloody rail gun its ment to be a long range fire support gun for its squad that being said the assault models with the reduced charge time make them perfect for fire support on the move . its true once you get the tactical advantage of hight and distance its one of the most devistating guns there is but i thought that was the point in the forge gun ?? i also thought having no way of scoping in or any kind of iron sight was to make it more difficult to master at long range.

This about Militia Forge Guns you tool, they are not working as intended considering how easy it is to snipe anything with them.

Realism of railguns aside, we're only discussing nerfing the militia ones. Not all other forge guns. The militia one is too effective for its price, especially when some players can get it as part of a free unlimited fitting by choosing the right specialization in character creation.

Militia is supposed to be basic with extra CPU/PG cost and a smaller clip. This is the paradigm CP set up for militia weapons. And the militia forge gun follows this paradigm.

Forge gun sniping has been QQ'd about since it's inception. If a forge doesn't have proper range, it's useless. It is MADE to be used at a range. It's MADE to be used outside the range of large blaster turrets. You willing to cut the range on all blaster turrets? I'll go with the range nerf. It's made for hinting vehicles, and it can't do that when it has to be fired within the range of anti infantry vehicle weapons.

Side note: Go play Blops 2, that'll change it for you just about as fast as calling people tools.

Edited: for the sake of civility.

There is no actual incentive to go above Militia when it comes to Forge Guns imho, I enjoy sniping with a Forge Gun and see no reason to use anything else but I'm telling you the range is far too high. If players using the Forge were competent, they'd use the terrain to their advantage. The amount of times I've sat in a tank and had a Forge Gunner just charge into the open to shoot me is ridiculous. The CPU/PG doesn't effect me at all since I use about half my CPU/PG fitting the Forge Gun and my Modules, the ammo is nothing when you've got a camping spot and ammo. Reduce the Range by 1/3 so we can't actually snipe everything and it'll work nicely. Still enough range to hit vehicles but not enough that we can continue sniping with it.

Upon doing that we can see if Vehicle Turrets need a range nerf, and if they do, then we need to look at Swarms aswell.