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Vgi185
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:50:00 -
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The Assault rifles really need to be nerfed. They do damage quickly, and work at long range, when they should only work at medium to short range. More recoil needs to be added to them to discourage long range use of them, and the amount of damage they do needs to be decreased. The fact that the default gun is basically the most powerful gun in the game, decreases peoples want for trying out new weapons and going through the process of ranking up its stats to make it a good weapons choice, while the assault rifle come ready to kill a ton of people right out of the box. For example, I really really like the laser rifle. Is spent a week trying to upgrade it, trying to make it a longer range weapon, but people using assault rifles had a clear advantage over me as they could fire just as far, just as easily, with out having to invest any time with skill points. Once I realized this, I just went back to the assault rifle. I really want to use the other types of weapons, but honestly, why bother when assault rifles are already so good. The only other weapon worth using is the heavy chain gun. The shotgun is really good at close range, but I am finding that often times people using assault rifles can kill me just as easy up close as I can. I guess this is really a balancing issue, and assuallt rifles are honestly way better then they should be, for costing as little as they do. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:04:00 -
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Actually they all use to have scopes that made long range killing easy, and they use to have less recoil. They have already been nerfed. This is not to say that they are now balanced (maybe, maybe not), but just letting you know. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:20:00 -
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This is the wrong game to be claiming that. Look for Laser is OP.
If you couldn't get the laser OP, well ... you are doing it wrong.
Just in case you didn't know, distance is good. Close is death, for you. Laser is medium to long and AR is short to medium. |
NovaShadowStorm
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:34:00 -
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Vgi185 wrote:The Assault rifles really need to be nerfed. They do damage quickly, and work at long range, when they should only work at medium to short range. More recoil needs to be added to them to discourage long range use of them, and the amount of damage they do needs to be decreased. The fact that the default gun is basically the most powerful gun in the game, decreases peoples want for trying out new weapons and going through the process of ranking up its stats to make it a good weapons choice, while the assault rifle come ready to kill a ton of people right out of the box. For example, I really really like the laser rifle. Is spent a week trying to upgrade it, trying to make it a longer range weapon, but people using assault rifles had a clear advantage over me as they could fire just as far, just as easily, with out having to invest any time with skill points. Once I realized this, I just went back to the assault rifle. I really want to use the other types of weapons, but honestly, why bother when assault rifles are already so good. The only other weapon worth using is the heavy chain gun. The shotgun is really good at close range, but I am finding that often times people using assault rifles can kill me just as easy up close as I can. I guess this is really a balancing issue, and assuallt rifles are honestly way better then they should be, for costing as little as they do.
They've been nerfed heavily before chrome they shot in absolute straight lines, had scopes and no recoil they were easy kill guns. Now they aren't as easy to use as with the iron sights and the recoil on them lining up takes a bit longer and after about 3 seconds of sustained fire the barrel really starts dancing and you won't hit much if you don't stop shooting. As for the LR, it's made to be used on people running out on open ground. I can easily take out AR users with my LR but you have to be:
A) At the right distance as up close LR's are useless as it's too hard to track someone with the beam. B) You have to keep the beam on them for it's power to increase and really after 3 seconds on anything but a heavy it's dead. C) In some sort of advantageous ground if you're trying to take on someone with an AR and you're both on open ground you're most likely going to lose.
And you're wrong on the range count those you fought will have invested in range because I've had AR users shooting at me while I was on top of the hill and I mowed them down with my LR and their bullets couldn't touch me and I only had light weapon sharp shooter I trained at the time.
Lets be honest, the assault rifle in game and in real life is pretty much the most standardly used because of it's versatility to respond to alot of different situations. Also you have to skill yourself and play to suit your weapon you can't run around like you would with an AR if you're using a LR because you will die. You have to play stealthier and or faster with a Shotty because you have to be close to kill someone. The AR is the bread and butter of the infantry unit and thats why alot of people skill into them. They are your basic almost all range weapon, good accuracy, moderate damage, good ROF and few catches to how they operate. HMG's have to spin up, shottys and SMG's are close range only, MD's and LR's are situational they are more denial weapons than run around rambo style weapons, snipers are super long range, FG's tank destroyers, swarms again AV and pistols are mid - short range. From that list I think it's pretty obvious that the AR has little competition in it's field at least until they bring in new weapons and thats why we use them most of all simple point and shoot weapons. |
Vexen Krios
Doomheim
95
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:39:00 -
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Vgi185 wrote:The Assault rifles really need to be nerfed. They do damage quickly, and work at long range, when they should only work at medium to short range. More recoil needs to be added to them to discourage long range use of them, and the amount of damage they do needs to be decreased. The fact that the default gun is basically the most powerful gun in the game, decreases peoples want for trying out new weapons and going through the process of ranking up its stats to make it a good weapons choice, while the assault rifle come ready to kill a ton of people right out of the box. For example, I really really like the laser rifle. Is spent a week trying to upgrade it, trying to make it a longer range weapon, but people using assault rifles had a clear advantage over me as they could fire just as far, just as easily, with out having to invest any time with skill points. Once I realized this, I just went back to the assault rifle. I really want to use the other types of weapons, but honestly, why bother when assault rifles are already so good. The only other weapon worth using is the heavy chain gun. The shotgun is really good at close range, but I am finding that often times people using assault rifles can kill me just as easy up close as I can. I guess this is really a balancing issue, and assuallt rifles are honestly way better then they should be, for costing as little as they do.
You must be new...Ive been using AR's since august, i dont remember what build that was...but it was only one map...and no one complained about assault rifles until codex...why? because everything else got nerfed. But in chromosome, the AR's got hard nerf. there is really no sense in using a duvolle now, because of the damage nerf. Recoil on the killswitch and tacticle is ungodly. The damage the AR's do is already a significant amount less than it was last build. and if you dying long range from an AR thats because that person has skill. Its hard to hit someone long range with an AR now.
Laser Rifles are rediculous, if you can keep distance from anything you are deadly. Laser rifles are so much stronger than AR's its pathetic. but they only are so at long range. if you cant hit it with your AR then your LR will fry it in seconds...literally. |
Kubott Sendai
Doomheim
1
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:50:00 -
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it's a rifle. they should be accurate. they should be deadly. there is already too much recoil, the dropsuit itself is mechanized so it would stand to logic it should allow for a more stable shooting (which should apply to all classes anyway) ... these 'bullets' are supposed to travel 1200 meters per second at the slowest count so they should hit their mark at all ranges with a damage modifier per distance; the longer the travel the lesser the damage. but i have no idea how they calculate these things within the game world or if the bullets are just 'calculated' or actual in-game objects .. along with the overall design of the iron sights which i think its just horrible. that said, i think heavies shooting mechanics are ok as far as their weapon class. advice: get some extra shield modules and re-chargers in your dropsuit |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:03:00 -
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so what you're saying is an AK 47 needs to be accurate just because its a riffle? come on dude be real? AK - 47s are damn good if you AIM RIGHT!!! not right or left i mean press the damn aim botton. ive been able to hit all my targets to far with that methud, you should try it, hell I was able to hit ppl from half a map offwith it and got a kill assist. its not hard Jr, give ita try. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:04:00 -
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Whiners will whine til it's overnerfed |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:16:00 -
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I can tell, when its over nerfed then they'll cry over it being too weak and its just a back and forth ordeal, ppl need to just shaddap and play the fking game. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:32:00 -
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ARs should not even be looked at for another nerf until they have fixed the LOLASER. |
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Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 14:42:00 -
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why the hell is a laser in the game anyways, its like a cheap ass sniper riffle that never burns out. if you ask me it should be taken out and trashed in failed ideas. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:27:00 -
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Grav Reviera wrote:why the hell is a laser in the game anyways, its like a cheap ass sniper riffle that never burns out. if you ask me it should be taken out and trashed in failed ideas.
I think this is extreme. Just change the way the Laser works so that you cant "heat up" a laser before you target someone. Make the laser "heat up" only when hitting the enemy player. This would probably go a long way in fixing the laser. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:29:00 -
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What's with you people and QQing about the laser? It's fine |
Toyboi
BetaMax.
17
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:33:00 -
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Op needs to wipe her tears |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:33:00 -
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who said I was qqing,I'm just saying its a stupid gun. my sht could do better |
Crm234
Wraith Shadow Guards
166
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:35:00 -
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The assault rifle has been nerfed and retool as others have said, I think its just a FPS thing that doesnt translate very well to RPG players. When you are new and have low hitpoints, distance is your friend. You stand back aim and fire because you cant go toe to toe with other players at start. Dust is the only game i know that tells the person with the lowest hitpoints you have to go the closes and has the guy with the most armor able to stand back a half a mile. This factors accounts maybe for half the this weapon is OP threads. |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:43:00 -
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I'm new and I seem to be the biggest theat to them.....I get targeted first just because I slip away before I even die, so if I was in a croud of ppl its likely i'll get the first coffin, even at range I was sniped out and I was in cover, 2 other ppl were in plain view, no even moving and I got slammed with a kill shot. range dont mean sht, its a threat elimination ordeal. ive been known already to kill ppl from large distences with the basic assult rifle, its easy, but fact is its not easy when ppl want you gone and know you can smash them from ages away. |
Crm234
Wraith Shadow Guards
166
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:49:00 -
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Grav Reviera wrote:I'm new and I seem to be the biggest theat to them.....I get targeted first just because I slip away before I even die, so if I was in a croud of ppl its likely i'll get the first coffin, even at range I was sniped out and I was in cover, 2 other ppl were in plain view, no even moving and I got slammed with a kill shot. range dont mean sht, its a threat elimination ordeal. ive been known already to kill ppl from large distences with the basic assult rifle, its easy, but fact is its not easy when ppl want you gone and know you can smash them from ages away.
Its mostly for the fact that i happen to do a lot with dust, you test who you can kill. If you shoot at someone and their shields move at a decent pace with your weapon you focus on them. If you try to out shoot the guy with shields never moving a lot of times someone spawns right behind you in ambush and shoots you in the head while you had to be a laser beam to kill. |
Grav Reviera
Dragon Black Ops
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 15:53:00 -
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actually I'm far more concerned about how ppl are shooting through large structures and obsticals like it wasnt even there, Ive been killed several times with that very same concept, its not cool and not even proper formatting of the maps. |
Crm234
Wraith Shadow Guards
166
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:11:00 -
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Grav Reviera wrote:actually I'm far more concerned about how ppl are shooting through large structures and obsticals like it wasnt even there, Ive been killed several times with that very same concept, its not cool and not even proper formatting of the maps.
dont want to go way to off topic, but dont want to leave you hanging. Its a problem that has been mention over the period of 3 months like so many others. Thanks for saying something though frequency usually helps the cause. |
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Vgi185
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:53:00 -
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I realize assault rifles have been nerfed before, maybe its just that I am not very good with the other guns. My main issue may just be the fact that assault rifles are so cheap. Its hard to find a purpose to earn enough sp to gain the skills required to get higher powered versions of the other weapons, when in the long run, I would just as easily get kills with a milita assault rifle, or ever an upgraded assault rifle. The thing is, that I really want to use the other guns the game has to offer, because they are much more unique then the standard to all shooters assault riflle, but I can't see a good enough reason to. I want there to be a good reason to, but I don't see the purpose of wasting skill points on them, especially since skill point gain continues to be nerfed. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:34:00 -
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Vgi185 wrote:I realize assault rifles have been nerfed before, maybe its just that I am not very good with the other guns. My main issue may just be the fact that assault rifles are so cheap. Its hard to find a purpose to earn enough sp to gain the skills required to get higher powered versions of the other weapons, when in the long run, I would just as easily get kills with a milita assault rifle, or ever an upgraded assault rifle. The thing is, that I really want to use the other guns the game has to offer, because they are much more unique then the standard to all shooters assault riflle, but I can't see a good enough reason to. I want there to be a good reason to, but I don't see the purpose of wasting skill points on them, especially since skill point gain continues to be nerfed.
You will find out that in the end people are thristy for even slighty better weapons, even by 1%. (free market will settle the price)
What offsets that in Dust is higher tier gear take way more PG and CPU. |
Justice Reeves
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:45:00 -
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Vgi185 wrote:The Assault rifles really need to be nerfed. They do damage quickly, and work at long range, when they should only work at medium to short range. More recoil needs to be added to them to discourage long range use of them, and the amount of damage they do needs to be decreased. The fact that the default gun is basically the most powerful gun in the game, decreases peoples want for trying out new weapons and going through the process of ranking up its stats to make it a good weapons choice, while the assault rifle come ready to kill a ton of people right out of the box. For example, I really really like the laser rifle. Is spent a week trying to upgrade it, trying to make it a longer range weapon, but people using assault rifles had a clear advantage over me as they could fire just as far, just as easily, with out having to invest any time with skill points. Once I realized this, I just went back to the assault rifle. I really want to use the other types of weapons, but honestly, why bother when assault rifles are already so good. The only other weapon worth using is the heavy chain gun. The shotgun is really good at close range, but I am finding that often times people using assault rifles can kill me just as easy up close as I can. I guess this is really a balancing issue, and assuallt rifles are honestly way better then they should be, for costing as little as they do. -1 |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:47:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:
You will find out that in the end people are thristy for even slighty better weapons, even by 1%. (free market will settle the price)
What offsets that in Dust is higher tier gear take way more PG and CPU.
Yes and thats why we have aswell better suits who come along with more module slots and PG/CPU. And you forget that the base damage of a weapon is a big factor when it comes down to damage mods and skillbooks. With the right setup you get much more bang out of your buck. |
Lance Mephalius
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
15
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:14:00 -
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The only real problem that I find with the Assault rifle class is that the only assualt rifle that is ever used is the GEK-38 (and the Duvolle rarely). Every other assault rifle is neglected and should be looked into by the devs to make them somewhat as desirable as the GEK-38. Why have other choices if no one ever uses them? |
RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2013.01.10 05:05:00 -
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Its been pointed out already, but Ill point it out again. The AR has been nerfed enough. It is not nearly as awesome as you make it out to be. It is of course the go-to weapon that is very well rounded, but thats because its an assault rifle. Thats what they do. |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
51
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Posted - 2013.01.10 05:43:00 -
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Don't forget that damage mOds are broken with having no diminishing returns at the moment. When they fix that it'll help. Also remember that assault rifles really only melt you when the user has all of their passive damage bonus skills up. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:23:00 -
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Good thread nonetheless. Certain AR qualities need buffed, a few might need adjusting, but they are still king of the battlefield right now... as they should be. Other weapons should be situational or specializations. |
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