My problem with DUST is that none of the features that push it beyond a generic FPS seem to be active, or even close to being realized. With the pace the beta has been going (and my experience in EVE), it doesn't seem possible that they will magically pull this all together before release.

it's the only hope we have for online game until elder scrolls online.. hopefully we are seeing the 1rst evolution in online gaming with dust. there's nothing else out there that's worth mentioning as far as console online gaming evolving to the next phase, it's all more rehash and gimic, i hope dust succeeds for our sake or we are doomed to wander on this wasteland of crappy online console games

+1 about the rehash and gimmick as far as online consoles go, there are some original titles coming this year but online play remains to be seen. + 1 for mentioning E.S.O., I'm looking forward to that game staining my marriage as well We are unfortunately the NOW generation and we want it NOW. As we say in construction, " hurry up and **** up" CCP. I for one am happy they're taking their time and am willing to wait for the sidewalks after the main road is built.

This is intentional on CCP's part. File it under 'Doing things Right'.

Once the EVE-DUST link is working as intended, core mechanics are what they should be, and controls are tightened up, things will be able to move along at a reasonable clip.

My best guess is that over the course of the next year content will arrive faster than most of us can ingest it.

What would you choose, Your wife or you gaming?

My problem with DUST is that none of the features that push it beyond a generic FPS seem to be active, or even close to being realized. With the pace the beta has been going (and my experience in EVE), it doesn't seem possible that they will magically pull this all together before release.

My best guess is that over the course of the next year content will arrive faster than most of us can ingest it.

i'm more pissed that i got into a BETA and it's not what the final release is supposed to be. SOrry Closed Beta. It's been said, but it boggles my mind how you can judge something before it is truly sent to the public. If this was The War Z i could understand. You pay for a game and it has none of the features it is supposed to. I'd be pissed too. No one bought this game. Some people bought $20 worth of aurum early and got beta access and a bunch of other goodies. Or you just sent an e-mail and got in.

Also the meta portion of the game is what you make of it. There is squading and corp chat. But above all there is local chat. The top two games ,that this will most likely be held up against, Call of Duty and Battlefield 3 do not have this. At least there is a place to chat with other like minded people in the game. Not on a forum or fansite. What other closed beta allows this.

Just remeber those bright yellow letters

DON'T PANIC

What originally drew me to this game back in June 2012 was the promise of revolutionary game principles and persistent meta-gameplay. DUST 514, at that time, was being touted as as a free-to-play MMOFPS that would feature interactivity with the legendary EVE online universe.


It was said that battles in DUST would be fought on THOUSANDS of unique planets each offering multiple districts that actually had real value and meaning in the online world of EVE.

It was advertised as being based on a dynamic and fluctuating "real" economy where you could actually buy and sell products and possibly even--gasp!--manufacture them.

It was portrayed as having political and diplomatic intirigue involving HUGE corporations each with their own soveriegn territories, agendas, and alliances.



Now, what I actually found when I joined the "Beta" was that for the time being we would only be just testing a seemingly very basic shooter on a handful of maps. I must have played "Plateaus" about 300 times over the summer!


So, I guess what I'm wondering now is: are we any closer to these revolutionary ideas that formed the very basis for my initial interest in DUST?
Do ANY of these cool things that everyone has talked and speculated about endlessly--the econmy, the thousands of planets, the persistent gameplay and diplomatic dealings and intrigue--make their debut with this move/migration to open Beta?


Or, are we still sooo very far from the realization of any of these things that all we will be doing in the so-called "Open Beta" is the same stuff on the same sparse handful of maps that we have already memorized without any of the things that made gamers interested in the first place?


I really want to be hopeful and I want to see and play the DUST 514 that was advertised so long ago...

But the point is we are in a beta. If I complained that the 2014 porsche doesn't have doors, or a windshield or whatever. People would say " how do you know that it doesn't have doors or a windshield yet, it's not even out". I understand your point, that they said x would be in the game and it may be or it may not be. We have to wait till it is finished. For all we know we all this could be implimented in 20 some days. We don't know, you can assume but not know.

I see it like this. We are playing in a framed house. There are just studs and plywood, but none of the things that are promised in a house. The kitchen is there in frame but not ready to use (stove, outlets, cabinets), because the house isn't finished. The carpenters and electricians and plumpers all use the house , maybe even eat in the kitchen. But the owners don't come along and say. " You said there would be cabinets in this kitchen, and they are not there" 2 months before the house is finished.

Na mean

I don't think the analogy is sound. For one thing, doors, windshields, etc, are fundamental things on a car. We're not talking about fundamentals for Dust, we're talking about innovations.

*I'll respond to the analogy as if doors and a windshield were luxuries* If a company had spent 6 years developing this car, if they had a drivable version of it 3 and a half years ago, and if they had promised innovations in a car you had never heard of before and then they let me test drive it, then I'd have the same reservations and concerns I do about Dust. And to make matters worse, let's say in 2014 you know some major technological breakthrough will make cars much less popular? Wouldn't you start to get a little worried about the slow progress they were making on it? I would be and am.



Another analogy I don't think is apt. This isn't a case of "Oh, we have the kitchen (Factional Warfare) built (released for testing) and we're just missing the cabinets or stove (testing for balance, etc)," it's "We don't even have the kitchen built and we're supposed to have this house finished relatively soon." And it isn't just the kitchen, it's a lot of things (mentioned above). The problem for me isn't just that all these things aren't here, it's that I don't think they will be for a long time--something CCP can't really afford to do if they want this to be the success I imagine they expect/need it to be.

Analogies aside, your judging something before it is finished, and saying innovation that was promised for release isn't here in beta is bad logic. If companies announced 3-d t.v.'s and then 6 months before they released it they gave you a t.v. with everything but that for free, and the three d wasn't there because they did not want you to test it would you say " they will never make this T.v. 3-d"? no they have you test what they want you to test because we are the sheep and they are the shepard. We only see the prairie they want us to.

I see it this way though. In the game MAG they promised an innovation of 256 people in one battle. They never really had this implemented during the beta. It was just the smallest mode that we played. But the game released with a mode that had 256 people in it. There are examples both ways.


Also maybe they learned from past mistakes, maybe they won't. We can only wait and see. Plus this is what people decide to be worried about. Not starvation, not the world economy, descrimination. No i'm worried that this video game might not have everything right away. Really!?

I see it this way though. In the game MAG they promised an innovation of 256 people in one battle. They never really had this implemented during the beta. It was just the smallest mode that we played. But the game released with a mode that had 256 people in it. There are examples both ways.

my major in is English. :D

What would you choose, Your wife or you gaming?

I have a feeling dust will be all the things when the ps4 will be released. It will be the game included with it. They will probably sell it with a sp bundle of 4 mil so players can catch up or something. We are just guinea pigs so far.

Remember to enjoy other games while this one is in dev so you dont get burned out.

That's putting an awful lot of faith in CCP, though. They've never been good at implementing things the way they envision them. In EVE, it's generally good vision, horribly incomplete implementation, ignore for a year or two, then sort of bandaid fix it. Unfortunately, DUST seems to be on the same path. I hope they do deliver, but they're already horribly far over their original release schedule, so I'll believe it when I see it.