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Parson Atreides wrote:

Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:

But the point is we are in a beta. If I complained that the 2014 porsche doesn't have doors, or a windshield or whatever. People would say " how do you know that it doesn't have doors or a windshield yet, it's not even out". I understand your point, that they said x would be in the game and it may be or it may not be. We have to wait till it is finished. For all we know we all this could be implimented in 20 some days. We don't know, you can assume but not know.

I don't think the analogy is sound. For one thing, doors, windshields, etc, are fundamental things on a car. We're not talking about fundamentals for Dust, we're talking about innovations.

*I'll respond to the analogy as if doors and a windshield were luxuries* If a company had spent 6 years developing this car, if they had a drivable version of it 3 and a half years ago, and if they had promised innovations in a car you had never heard of before and then they let me test drive it, then I'd have the same reservations and concerns I do about Dust. And to make matters worse, let's say in 2014 you know some major technological breakthrough will make cars much less popular? Wouldn't you start to get a little worried about the slow progress they were making on it? I would be and am.

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I see it like this. We are playing in a framed house. There are just studs and plywood, but none of the things that are promised in a house. The kitchen is there in frame but not ready to use (stove, outlets, cabinets), because the house isn't finished. The carpenters and electricians and plumpers all use the house , maybe even eat in the kitchen. But the owners don't come along and say. " You said there would be cabinets in this kitchen, and they are not there" 2 months before the house is finished.

Na mean

Another analogy I don't think is apt. This isn't a case of "Oh, we have the kitchen (Factional Warfare) built (released for testing) and we're just missing the cabinets or stove (testing for balance, etc)," it's "We don't even have the kitchen built and we're supposed to have this house finished relatively soon." And it isn't just the kitchen, it's a lot of things (mentioned above). The problem for me isn't just that all these things aren't here, it's that I don't think they will be for a long time--something CCP can't really afford to do if they want this to be the success I imagine they expect/need it to be.


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Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.09 03:02:00 - [1] - Quote i'm more pissed that i got into a BETA and it's not what the final release is supposed to be. SOrry Closed Beta. It's been said, but it boggles my mind how you can judge something before it is truly sent to the public. If this was The War Z i could understand. You pay for a game and it has none of the features it is supposed to. I'd be pissed too. No one bought this game. Some people bought $20 worth of aurum early and got beta access and a bunch of other goodies. Or you just sent an e-mail and got in. Also the meta portion of the game is what you make of it. There is squading and corp chat. But above all there is local chat. The top two games ,that this will most likely be held up against, Call of Duty and Battlefield 3 do not have this. At least there is a place to chat with other like minded people in the game. Not on a forum or fansite. What other closed beta allows this. Just remeber those bright yellow letters DON'T PANIC
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.09 03:36:00 - [2] - Quote But the point is we are in a beta. If I complained that the 2014 porsche doesn't have doors, or a windshield or whatever. People would say " how do you know that it doesn't have doors or a windshield yet, it's not even out". I understand your point, that they said x would be in the game and it may be or it may not be. We have to wait till it is finished. For all we know we all this could be implimented in 20 some days. We don't know, you can assume but not know. I see it like this. We are playing in a framed house. There are just studs and plywood, but none of the things that are promised in a house. The kitchen is there in frame but not ready to use (stove, outlets, cabinets), because the house isn't finished. The carpenters and electricians and plumpers all use the house , maybe even eat in the kitchen. But the owners don't come along and say. " You said there would be cabinets in this kitchen, and they are not there" 2 months before the house is finished. Na mean
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.09 03:55:00 - [3] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Dr Debo Galaxy wrote: But the point is we are in a beta. If I complained that the 2014 porsche doesn't have doors, or a windshield or whatever. People would say " how do you know that it doesn't have doors or a windshield yet, it's not even out". I understand your point, that they said x would be in the game and it may be or it may not be. We have to wait till it is finished. For all we know we all this could be implimented in 20 some days. We don't know, you can assume but not know. I don't think the analogy is sound. For one thing, doors, windshields, etc, are fundamental things on a car. We're not talking about fundamentals for Dust, we're talking about innovations. I'll respond to the analogy as if doors and a windshield were luxuries If a company had spent 6 years developing this car, if they had a drivable version of it 3 and a half years ago, and if they had promised innovations in a car you had never heard of before and then they let me test drive it, then I'd have the same reservations and concerns I do about Dust. And to make matters worse, let's say in 2014 you know some major technological breakthrough will make cars much less popular? Wouldn't you start to get a little worried about the slow progress they were making on it? I would be and am. Quote: I see it like this. We are playing in a framed house. There are just studs and plywood, but none of the things that are promised in a house. The kitchen is there in frame but not ready to use (stove, outlets, cabinets), because the house isn't finished. The carpenters and electricians and plumpers all use the house , maybe even eat in the kitchen. But the owners don't come along and say. " You said there would be cabinets in this kitchen, and they are not there" 2 months before the house is finished. Na mean Another analogy I don't think is apt. This isn't a case of "Oh, we have the kitchen (Factional Warfare) built (released for testing) and we're just missing the cabinets or stove (testing for balance, etc)," it's "We don't even have the kitchen built and we're supposed to have this house finished relatively soon." And it isn't just the kitchen, it's a lot of things (mentioned above). The problem for me isn't just that all these things aren't here, it's that I don't think they will be for a long time--something CCP can't really afford to do if they want this to be the success I imagine they expect/need it to be. Analogies aside, your judging something before it is finished, and saying innovation that was promised for release isn't here in beta is bad logic. If companies announced 3-d t.v.'s and then 6 months before they released it they gave you a t.v. with everything but that for free, and the three d wasn't there because they did not want you to test it would you say " they will never make this T.v. 3-d"? no they have you test what they want you to test because we are the sheep and they are the shepard. We only see the prairie they want us to.
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.09 05:44:00 - [4] - Quote I see it this way though. In the game MAG they promised an innovation of 256 people in one battle. They never really had this implemented during the beta. It was just the smallest mode that we played. But the game released with a mode that had 256 people in it. There are examples both ways. Also maybe they learned from past mistakes, maybe they won't. We can only wait and see. Plus this is what people decide to be worried about. Not starvation, not the world economy, descrimination. No i'm worried that this video game might not have everything right away. Really!?