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skinn trayde
On The Brink
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:40:00 -
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original post
CCP Frame wrote:
Here are the details regarding the skill point reward system change at downtime today. To make comparisons between the old and the new system easier, weGÇÖve included outlines of both below.
Old system:
Weekly cycle (reset every Tuesday)
Weekly allowance of 190,400 SP per week (7x 27,200 SP, hard-capped)
Diminishing returns on warpoints and time spent GÇô the more you play, the less you get (until you hit the cap)
No consolation prize GÇô once you hit the cap, you get nothing
New system:
Daily cycle (reset at downtime)
Daily allowance of 27,200 SP per day (hard-capped)
Linear returns to warpoints and time spent GÇô the better you play, the more you earn (until you hit the cap)
- Warpoints earned are converted into skillpoints (1 WP = 1 SP)
- Time spent in battle grants SP (1 second = 5 SP)
- Consolation prize of 50 SP per battle once the daily cap has been hit
So; the SP scoring has been rationalised with a small consolation for when you do cap out.
But unless you can play every day you rely on your passive SP
Tiel Syysch wrote:You get 1,000 passive SP per hour, 24,000 a day. Confirmed by a dev right as that post was being written.
making passive SP booster very relevant (36,000 SP daily with booster)
(edited to correct maths tahnks to Tiel Syysch) |
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BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.08 07:42:00 -
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is this all? |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:13:00 -
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Lol!
Wow I didn't see that coming skinn... Your funny!
Quick question, was my math off? I remember using a calculator to make sure I wasn't derping that... |
skinn trayde
On The Brink
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:16:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:Quick question, was my math off? I remember using a calculator to make sure I wasn't derping that...
seems to be ok maths wise (was my maths that was out originally)
i just did a 24 (hrs) x 60 (mins) x 15 (1SP every 4s) calculation
- edit my maths was out (thanks Tiel) updated original post |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:25:00 -
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Ah. Well, well played linking back to something I forgot about until I saw it again.
+1 to you for the irony of it all. ;-) |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:26:00 -
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You get 1,000 passive SP per hour, 24,000 a day. Confirmed by a dev right as that post was being written. |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:50:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:You get 1,000 passive SP per hour, 24,000 a day. Confirmed by a dev right as that post was being written.
I was about to say this XD
But even so, that makes 24k/day or 36k with the booster.
That means the max sp you can earn per day now is equal to this equation (assuming both boosters are being used):
76,800 + 50b (where b is the number of battles you've played after you've hit the 40,800 cap with booster)
If you earn 1000 wp in a battle, and play the entire battle, that's equal to 8,250 sp. You do this 5 times, and you have already hit the cap for the day. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:59:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:You get 1,000 passive SP per hour, 24,000 a day. Confirmed by a dev right as that post was being written. I was about to say this XD But even so, that makes 24k/day or 36k with the booster. That means the max sp you can earn per day now is equal to this equation (assuming both boosters are being used): 76,800 + 50b (where b is the number of battles you've played after you've hit the 40,800 cap with booster) If you earn 1000 wp in a battle, and play the entire battle, that's equal to 8,250 sp. You do this 5 times, and you have already hit the cap for the day.
Good thing about this is that it's not grind anymore. Aside the fact that one needs to play that everyday if one intends to have max SP possible all the time. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:03:00 -
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537600 per week, with active and passive boosters. |
skinn trayde
On The Brink
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:11:00 -
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ok time for a simple break down methinks
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Daily Hard Cap 27200 == 90m40s @ 5SP/s active in battle with zero WP
assume active booster raises this by 50% to 40800 == 136m @ 5SP/s active in battle with zero WP
Passive SP 24000 == 1000SP/hr
passive booster raise by 50% to 36000
passive only no booster
24000 SP daily
== 16800 weekly
passive only with booster
36000 SP daily
== 25200 weekly
no boosters
passive == 24000 SP
+ 27200 SP
= 51200 SP approx daily
== 358400 SP approx weekly
active booster only
passive == 24000 SP
+ 40800 SP
= 64800 SP approx daily
== 453600 approx weekly
active and passive boosters
passive == 36000 SP
+ 40800 SP
= 76800 SP approx daily
== 537600 approx weekly |
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Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:01:00 -
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You left out the most interesting part of the calculation: determining when an active booster is a better investment than a passive booster.
active booster only
passive == 24000 SP
+ 40800 SP
= 64800 SP approx daily
== 453600 approx weekly
passive booster only
passive == 36000 SP
+ 27200 SP
= 63200 SP approx daily
== 442400 approx weekly
So the difference between active-only and passive-only is 11200.
Let's say you average 5000 SP per battle without a booster, 7500 with a booster, so each battle you miss you are effectively losing 2500 points on the "active plan" versus the "passive plan." That means if you're going to miss 5 battles in a week, you're getting more SP by employing only a passive booster than you are by employing only an active booster. (Your results will vary based on your average SP earn per battle.) And if you miss even one full day of play, your differential is going to be 13600--already enough to wipe out the benefit of using the active booster instead of the passive booster.
Somebody check my math. Thanks. |
Sada Mokmo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:27:00 -
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I was wondering about the 50 SP i got on my last game, i didn't think i had played that much...
Thanks for clarifying :) |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:15:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:You get 1,000 passive SP per hour, 24,000 a day. Confirmed by a dev right as that post was being written. I was about to say this XD But even so, that makes 24k/day or 36k with the booster. That means the max sp you can earn per day now is equal to this equation (assuming both boosters are being used): 76,800 + 50b (where b is the number of battles you've played after you've hit the 40,800 cap with booster) If you earn 1000 wp in a battle, and play the entire battle, that's equal to 8,250 sp. You do this 5 times, and you have already hit the cap for the day.
If you're using both boosters (and thus an active booster is in effect) it would have to be +75b
I've hit the cap today and I'm getting awards of 75 sp total when including the active booster.
Cheers,
Cross |
Broxx Nexular
Occupational Hazard
Vital Core Exhumers Industrial Coalition
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:16:00 -
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so i have a question. Having that kind of SP limit. Doesn't that make buying an active booster a total waste of money? I hit the daily limit this morning after about 5 or 6 matches and i'm not an amazing player. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:37:00 -
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Broxx Nexular wrote:so i have a question. Having that kind of SP limit. Doesn't that make buying an active booster a total waste of money? I hit the daily limit this morning after about 5 or 6 matches and i'm not an amazing player.
Use of an active booster increases the total cap on active skill gains by 50% so while you may hit the cap in the same time the SP you will have after doing so will be greater. |
Broxx Nexular
Occupational Hazard
Vital Core Exhumers Industrial Coalition
8
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:51:00 -
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okay, that makes more sense. I thought it just made you hit the cap faster |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.01.11 03:58:00 -
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If the previous cap was like 500k why are we getting 27k per day for like 190k per week? Am I the only noticing that, or did I miss something? |
Daedalus Stray
Talos Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.01.11 07:31:00 -
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Can anybody tell me why a skill point cap is a good idea? I really mean it; make a case to me so I can determine whether i should be throwing a s*** fit or not. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:33:00 -
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Daedalus Stray wrote:Can anybody tell me why a skill point cap is a good idea? I really mean it; make a case to me so I can determine whether i should be throwing a s*** fit or not.
As you asked (post not to be taken as a statement of advocacy).
The basic idea runs thus, higher player population --> healthier overall game (for various reasons)
Lack of SP cap leads to a finite minority becoming overpowered due to constant grinding.
Or put another way, it's there to help the longevity of the game by giving people something to do and keeping the nolifers from winning all the time. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
970
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:28:00 -
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It's not so much to even out players, but to pace your personal advancement so there will always be something new for you look forward to even after a few years. |
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