We're not getting anywhere at all right now with everyone b****ing about every single f***ing thing. What we need are the restrictions back, so that like skilled (Skill Points and FPS Skilled) players can get together and kick each others asses, while the good players stay in advanced/proto matches, and the noobs stay in militia. This is the simplest and easiest fix to half the communities problems, and then just put a couple of "Open" (hint :null sec) matches where everything goes.

When more than half the topics in the past few weeks have been about nerfing and buffing different tiers, we're getting absolutely nowhere.

We're not getting anywhere at all right now with everyone b****ing about every single f***ing thing. What we need are the restrictions back, so that like skilled (Skill Points and FPS Skilled) players can get together and kick each others asses, while the good players stay in advanced/proto matches, and the noobs stay in militia. This is the simplest and easiest fix to half the communities problems, and then just put a couple of "Open" (hint :null sec) matches where everything goes.

When more than half the topics in the past few weeks have been about nerfing and buffing different tiers, we're getting absolutely nowhere.

well, therein lies the problem. Months ago we FPS players started understanding that this game would be a lot more MMO than FPS. Also the whining and crying for KBM was louder than the fight for balance.

We told you then that if you don't figure out a way to keep the newbs away from the high end guys then this game will have problems retaining players. It's not a matter of opinion, it's just that we've seen it happen and history has this annoying tendency to repeat itself.

There will always be an unbalance in this game due to it's MMO roots. That's fine. But for a player to be thrust into a team death match style game with guys that can't be killed by them no matter what they do...well, there's a wager there. Do they tuff it out and get skilled or do they say "screw you" and rage quit?

My experience has shown the latter prevails more so than the former.

If they leave for a while that's fine.

If -good- players stay because they are intrigued and immediately challenged, the game will build based on it being a difficult game.

We want to be the DemonSouls/DarkSouls of FPSMMO.

Those restrictions where self enforced.

I don't seem to follow you, how exactly were they self-enforced?

That is a valid point, but one of the important questions is: Does CCP want that? If Dust is the DS of the genre, then it probably will appeal to hardcore players and drive casuals away. If that's the case, then Dust 514 is going to become the EVE Online of MMOFPS - it is going to have a dedicated player base, but its count won't stand anywhere near, say, World of Warcraft of the genre (I'm just drawing an analogy here, considering WoW has approx. 10 million players and EVE has around 1 million, if I'm not mistaken).

Now, assuming that CCP would aim for the large PS3 player base due to the game's F2P status, they probably don't want the before-mentioned to happen. I'm pretty sure that if you take two games, one P2P and another F2P, with the same player count, F2P is most likely going to reap way less profit, since not everyone is going to perform micro-transactions, while in P2P you are obliged to pay the subscription fee, at the very least.

My point is, it would be more beneficial for CCP to implement that separation of skill into the game again... I'm getting tired of all the complaining here as well. The question remains, though: Will it positively impact us dedicated players in the long run? I hope it will, but we can't know for sure. Only time will tell.

Concerning what type of audience CCP wants to attract and cater to; There is this Podcast Beyond interview with David Reid aka CCP Pokethulu CMO of CCP games.
Interview starts @21:23 mark and information about this playerbase issue is talked @ 30:35

Interview is from 10.7.2012

If they leave for a while that's fine.

If -good- players stay because they are intrigued and immediately challenged, the game will build based on it being a difficult game.

We want to be the DemonSouls/DarkSouls of FPSMMO.

Then your player base dwindles and the good players become bored at fighting the same few players and start to leave for another game thta has more players pretty soon the game world is down to a few hundred and the plug gets pulled.

Difficult and down right unbalanced are 2 different things enjoy your empty world

We're not getting anywhere at all right now with everyone b****ing about every single f***ing thing. What we need are the restrictions back, so that like skilled (Skill Points and FPS Skilled) players can get together and kick each others asses, while the good players stay in advanced/proto matches, and the noobs stay in militia. This is the simplest and easiest fix to half the communities problems, and then just put a couple of "Open" (hint :null sec) matches where everything goes.

When more than half the topics in the past few weeks have been about nerfing and buffing different tiers, we're getting absolutely nowhere.

If MAG had a loby where players could hook up, talk, and reach out to squad up - it would of probably saw more success. I always found that the fail of console games is the lack of communication that MMORPGs thrive on. CCP is already handling this well - or at least better then any other game out there on the console.

I agree the local chat has been a place where people can reach out find a group or help people


I talked to a guy on local who thought this game was only going to be free to PS+ people
they thought this was going to be a DISC BASED game and didn't believe this could be F2P
actually it was a group of like 6 people