DUST Search - Assault B-Series worth it for me?

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

I just finally decided to blow my million SP on upgrading to a new suit, went with the assault type B.

Previously I was using an assault type II with two complex damage mods, a Gek, nanohive, basic CPU upgrade and enhanced armor plates (or whatever it's called, the one with 87 extra HP). That cost me just about 60k. Once I went with the B series, I was able to fit all the same exact stuff for only ~7k more ISK (the suit is 10k more, but the CPU upgrade I no longer needed was something like 3,200).

So now with the B series, I am able to fit what I had previously, plus an additional complex shield extender and basic armor plates. So rather than having something like 360 HP total, I now have over 600 HP. The total cost is roughly 76k.

So far I am enjoying it, but am toying with the notion of losing the armor plates and putting on speed mods. Because with the two plates I have, I am pretty slow and can get out maneuvered/strafed by other assaults and am completely out of my league with a scout. Even with speed upgrades the scouts will still be able to outmaneuver me, but at least I will have a better chance going neck to neck with other assaults. Because I found even with my extra armor, since I was slower I got hit a lot more when strafe shooting other assults. So all that extra HP is sort of moot.

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Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.01.03 06:57:00 - [1] - Quote Contemplating dropping the SP for the B-Series Assault suit and wanted to get some opinions on it. Only been messing with assaults for maybe 3 weeks after branching out from Heavies. Is the B-Series that much better? I know the Type-II really is so much better than the Type-I but the A-Series has so many more fitting options than the Type-I is there that much of a difference? To give ya'll a bit of my relevant skills: Dropsuit Command III CPU Upgrades III Circuitry V Combat Engineering IV Powergrid Upgrades II Shield Boost Systems IV Shield Control III Shield Enhancements IV Light Weapon Rapid Reload I Light Weapon Sharpshooter IV Light Weapon Upgrade III Assault Rifle Operation V Assault Rifle Proficiency II Weaponry V Armor Repair Systems III Armor Upgrades II Field Mechanics V Would I be better off upgrading some other skills or going with Assault Suit IV? I'll have maybe 200k extra SP this week even with the suit upgrade but is there a bunch of stuff I'm completely overlooking?
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:02:00 - [2] - Quote do it, it's worth it
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:13:00 - [3] - Quote Seeing as B-series only costs 20k per suit, gives you three high slots and two low slots, has a focus on shields and speed, I'm thinking yes. I'd wait for the sp myself but I'm trying to get the logistics A-series right now as that has 3 high and low slots alongside a ton more pg/cpu
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:15:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Seeing as B-series only costs 20k per suit, gives you three high slots and two low slots, has a focus on shields and speed, I'm thinking yes. I'd wait for the sp myself but I'm trying to get the logistics A-series right now as that has 3 high and low slots alongside a ton more pg/cpu this. Just bear in mind shield tanks are laserbait. but that's their only real downside ATM
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:16:00 - [5] - Quote max out your cpu and pg skills first along with your shield management or whatever thats called now, just my .02 isk
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.01.03 07:49:00 - [6] - Quote slap26 wrote: max out your cpu and pg skills first along with your shield management or whatever thats called now, just my .02 isk CPU skill is maxed, PG skill is lvl IV and I don't think the extra 2 PG would be worth it right now. Shield recharge skill is IV and the shield boost skill is III but again it's only 5% per level so even if I maxed it the increase in HP would be less than I would get from the Series-B by itself. Only need another 100K SP so I should have it in an hour or so.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.03 08:01:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.03 08:03:00 - [8] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. dunno how many ways it can be said: skillz>gear
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 249	Posted - 2013.01.03 08:33:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: dunno how many ways it can be said: skillz>gear I'm so kitten tired of that sentence. Skills are obviously important, but also very big and VITAL part of this game is gear so everyone can make fittings which suit their playstyle. You can't just throw something like that up in a game where there is (and is going to be) so varied array of equipment and all. There are many of us, who are not 'skillzed l33t5' who NEED the gear to make us survive longer on the field. EDIT Cleaned up most of the butthurt
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.03 08:39:00 - [10] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: dunno how many ways it can be said: skillz>gear I'm so kitten tired of that sentence. What you are doing is just beating your chest with your (alleged) 'skillz' which is so ******* immature and stupid. Skills are obviously important, but also very big and VITAL part of this game is gear so everyone can make fittings which suit their playstyle. You can't just throw something like that up in a game where there is (and is going to be) so varied array of equipment and all. There are many of us, who are not 'skillzed l33t5' who NEED the gear to make us survive longer on the field. I'm still under 2 mil SPs dude. I'm competent using level 1 gear. and SP skills matter more than raw gear score so it's truth. If you're talking about L337 FPS skillz go talk to someone else. I don't care about those. Logi doesn't lend well to the 30-0 KDR LEETlings demand and seek.

Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2013.01.03 08:51:00 - [11] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Miss calculation. Shield extenders are not counted to the base shield.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:00:00 - [12] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Miss calculation. Shield extenders are not counted to the base shield. If memory serves, equipment numbers are calculated, then skills are calculated into that total. in either case shield extenders are affected by skills that add 5% per level to shields.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:02:00 - [13] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Miss calculation. Shield extenders are not counted to the base shield. Yup. Right now I'd have 259 base shields. If I maxed the skill I'd only have 282. That's another 23 shields but I'd get around 40 HP more just by upgrading the suit. And that shield skill takes a good amount of SP to level up.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:10:00 - [14] - Quote and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:14:00 - [15] - Quote Using the Type I compared to Type II and then the A compared to B (and I'm not even going proto) is more than just PG/CPU and HP. The shield suits call for a very different play style to the armour ones. Where armour is more stable, can gain advantages from running with a logi in squad and basically grows back constantly even under fire, shields are the opposite. Armour suits are basically for taking one big beating. Shield suits are for taking smaller numerous beatings. The way I play with an armour or shield suit are very different. An armour suit I treat as a regular damage suit where I'd stick my head out of cover and shoot until I can't take the damage anymore. Then run/hide and regen. With a shield suit I have much faster regen cycles. I currently run a Type II (waiting for the SP to go to B) and with that suit I can pretty much hide for 2-3 seconds and my shields are fully regenerated. With the shield suits it's a more dynamic game of running between small covers to regen the shields and wear the other guy down. Against some players I can even just run out of the line of fire for 2 secs and my shields are back. So armour vs. shield suit is really a question of your play style more than anything else.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:21:00 - [16] - Quote B Series is def worth it, its the suit i always use for pubs.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:22:00 - [17] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank I'm pretty sure flux grenades disable Shield Regulators as well.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:24:00 - [18] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank I'm pretty sure flux grenades disable Shield Regulators as well. regulators will still reduce the regen time penalty for 100% depletion
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.01.03 09:27:00 - [19] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2013.01.03 10:06:00 - [20] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea. your explosive radius of the standard grenade vs the radius of a flux... and after a flux comes a mass driver the only people i dont 2 shot are either heavys or people who RUN and have regulators

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.01.03 12:09:00 - [21] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea. Not really.I've taken normal locus grenades and they have only taken off half of my shield.I run a B Series a fair amount of time and I can say that it blows away anything below it if you equip it correctly.
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:28:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. dunno how many ways it can be said: skillz>gear i get 401 shields on the type 2 with 2 med slots guess id use the 3rd slot for a dmg mod
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:16:00 - [23] - Quote just unlocked last night after 3 day grind. best 696k sp i ever spent. im now more on par with tough enemy. i did things backwards than most i put sp into a lot of supporting skills first like reload melee and endurance and then skilled suits after which kinda put me behind in a way. i dont see myself going proto anytime soon i'm that satisfied with B. the suit is like a rifter so many fitting options available, you could spend hours just making various fits.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:21:00 - [24] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea. your explosive radius of the standard grenade vs the radius of a flux... and after a flux comes a mass driver the only people i dont 2 shot are either heavys or people who RUN and have regulators doesn't the flux grenade screw up the regulator recharge down time by making it longer? i'm pretty sure this is the case with or without regulator, any kind of emp cancels the recharge bonus for some time- loosing all shield when hit by sniper seems to also do this
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:51:00 - [25] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea. your explosive radius of the standard grenade vs the radius of a flux... and after a flux comes a mass driver the only people i dont 2 shot are either heavys or people who RUN and have regulators doesn't the flux grenade screw up the regulator recharge down time by making it longer? i'm pretty sure this is the case with or without regulator, any kind of emp cancels the recharge bonus for some time- loosing all shield when hit by sniper seems to also do this I can tell you I run 2 regulators on one of my suits and I dont notice a difference in the downtime between getting shot or getting fluxed.
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2013.01.03 19:26:00 - [26] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Not sure what you are basing the shield bonus off of, but im pretty certain the bonus is applied to the base shield of the dropsuit and not on top of the shield extenders.
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 59	Posted - 2013.01.03 20:41:00 - [27] - Quote Gunner Visari wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Not sure what you are basing the shield bonus off of, but im pretty certain the bonus is applied to the base shield of the dropsuit and not on top of the shield extenders. ^ this is correct. -And B-Series? Yes, it's worth it.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.01.04 00:10:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Yeah, shield control is nice. Having 3 high slots on the B series plus 3 complex shield mods is: 205 + 3(66) = 403 When you add the 25% bonus, that gives you an extra 100 shield. Right now at 15% you would only get 60. Wait,what? Are we taking about the B Series assault? If so,then I have three complex extenders,and only have my shield control at level 4,and I'm pushing out 467 on my shield.Base shield on B Series assault is 225.Honestly,I would go for level 5,but for 466k SP for a measly 12-13 extra hit points on my shields just isn't worth it right now.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.04 00:50:00 - [29] - Quote I just finally decided to blow my million SP on upgrading to a new suit, went with the assault type B. Previously I was using an assault type II with two complex damage mods, a Gek, nanohive, basic CPU upgrade and enhanced armor plates (or whatever it's called, the one with 87 extra HP). That cost me just about 60k. Once I went with the B series, I was able to fit all the same exact stuff for only ~7k more ISK (the suit is 10k more, but the CPU upgrade I no longer needed was something like 3,200). So now with the B series, I am able to fit what I had previously, plus an additional complex shield extender and basic armor plates. So rather than having something like 360 HP total, I now have over 600 HP. The total cost is roughly 76k. So far I am enjoying it, but am toying with the notion of losing the armor plates and putting on speed mods. Because with the two plates I have, I am pretty slow and can get out maneuvered/strafed by other assaults and am completely out of my league with a scout. Even with speed upgrades the scouts will still be able to outmaneuver me, but at least I will have a better chance going neck to neck with other assaults. Because I found even with my extra armor, since I was slower I got hit a lot more when strafe shooting other assults. So all that extra HP is sort of moot.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2013.01.04 00:59:00 - [30] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: So far I am enjoying it, but am toying with the notion of losing the armor plates and putting on speed mods. Because with the two plates I have, I am pretty slow and can get out maneuvered/strafed by other assaults and am completely out of my league with a scout. Even with speed upgrades the scouts will still be able to outmaneuver me, but at least I will have a better chance going neck to neck with other assaults. Because I found even with my extra armor, since I was slower I got hit a lot more when strafe shooting other assults. So all that extra HP is sort of moot. How about an armor repper? As a heavy, the armor I always use them because if not, all that armor is gone when it's gone.

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.01.04 05:46:00 - [31] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: I just finally decided to blow my million SP on upgrading to a new suit, went with the assault type B. Previously I was using an assault type II with two complex damage mods, a Gek, nanohive, basic CPU upgrade and enhanced armor plates (or whatever it's called, the one with 87 extra HP). That cost me just about 60k. Once I went with the B series, I was able to fit all the same exact stuff for only ~7k more ISK (the suit is 10k more, but the CPU upgrade I no longer needed was something like 3,200). So now with the B series, I am able to fit what I had previously, plus an additional complex shield extender and basic armor plates. So rather than having something like 360 HP total, I now have over 600 HP. The total cost is roughly 76k. So far I am enjoying it, but am toying with the notion of losing the armor plates and putting on speed mods. Because with the two plates I have, I am pretty slow and can get out maneuvered/strafed by other assaults and am completely out of my league with a scout. Even with speed upgrades the scouts will still be able to outmaneuver me, but at least I will have a better chance going neck to neck with other assaults. Because I found even with my extra armor, since I was slower I got hit a lot more when strafe shooting other assults. So all that extra HP is sort of moot. Honestly,running with armor plates is kind of useless to a point.I've tried with enhanced plating paired with a basic repairer,and I've also run without a repairer or plates.Honestly,it's not worth the loss of speed because you still don't have that much armor to begin with,so I do prefer to run without any armor mods. I'm currently trying double complex regulators.Used it in one match and went 10-0 and didn't get a chance to try it again.I just might like this set up more than the plates as well,but I do have to test it out more.
rebecca watson Universal Allies Inc. 41	Posted - 2013.01.04 07:13:00 - [32] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Enji Elric wrote: and yet with all of your shields, Just 1 Flux grenade Knocks them down to nothing...... better buy some regulators if your going to shield tank A normal grenade does this too, as well as armour damage, so no, flux grenades wouldn't make someone change their fitting to defend against them in my opinion. However you are correct, shield regulators are a good idea. your explosive radius of the standard grenade vs the radius of a flux... and after a flux comes a mass driver the only people i dont 2 shot are either heavys or people who RUN and have regulators doesn't the flux grenade screw up the regulator recharge down time by making it longer? i'm pretty sure this is the case with or without regulator, any kind of emp cancels the recharge bonus for some time- loosing all shield when hit by sniper seems to also do this There are two different shield recharge delay times, a normal one, and a longer (10sec) one after total shield depletion. So it would make sense after a flux or sniper hit, since your shields are kittehned, you'll experience the longer delay before recharge. It's built into the dropsuit stats I believe, if you want to see the numbers. So the shield reg. helps out in both cases, regardless of what is hitting your shields, as long as you can get behind cover
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.01.04 11:42:00 - [33] - Quote rebecca watson wrote: There are two different shield recharge delay times, a normal one, and a longer (10sec) one after total shield depletion. So it would make sense after a flux or sniper hit, since your shields are kittehned, you'll experience the longer delay before recharge. It's built into the dropsuit stats I believe, if you want to see the numbers. So the shield reg. helps out in both cases, regardless of what is hitting your shields, as long as you can get behind cover It's an interesting question about flux grenades because they are unique in that they don't just damage shields but they disrupt anything electronic. Hives and uplinks are destroyed by them so it makes sense they disable shield regulators as well. I've been experimenting with different fits on it. Mainly been alternating between an armor plate and 3 shield mods or 2 shield mods and a complex damage mod. With the damage mod I can't fit any grenades but whatever. Gonna mess around with some all shield fits today and see how that goes.


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