You want HAVs to act more like real-life tanks? If you wanted that, you would give them more firepower, more speed, and less armor. Take, for example, the Main Battle Tanks today. The M1 Abrams can easily cruise at 60 kilometers per hour, and their guns could take out another Abrams in about two hits. The same could be said about the Leopard 2.

Fit your vehicles (and dropsuits) properly and you have an amazing set up. No need to ask CCP for buffing tanks, you can already buff it!

You're probably using a militia tank, which explains the quick death sentence.
Even a militia tank with the proper modules can last a long time on the battlefield.

Need more time playing...
No, do not buff tanks, there is no need to to improve something that requires simple logic.

Currently the only interactions between tanks and infantry are (beware, slight simplification ahead!):

1 ) Friendly infantry tries to get into any tank that's not militia.

2) Hostile infantry dies

I'm pretty sure that's not what the design document says about HAVs, so I'm looking forward to how CCP is going to improve this.

I'd personally like to see tanks become much slower. Even if that is unrealistic, it'll make maneuvering more important and cause HAVs to stay near friendly infantry. I generally support all measures that improve ground possession.

I can agree with the less power and more armor because honestly since people can easily buy militia forge guns and swarm launchers it is ridiculous how fast a shield tank drops like it was a militia. There is another solution which would be to lower power but up the pg and cpu on tanks and maybe and extra slot on the opposite side (For example, surya would have 4 high powered slot instead of 3) that way people can mix and match modules until they feel like their tank doesnt feel like paper rolling around in the battlefield. The only reason why i agree that tanks can be way overpowered is because I was able to take out a sagaris easily with a Standard Scattered Blaster no heat sink on a Gunlogi. The battle lasted about 2-3 min. and honestly he barely dropped my shields and that makes absolutely no sense to me. And if thats not bad I have seen a teammate take out a sagaris with a MILITIA tank and all I have to say is how and why?

Most likely reason is they sank all their SP into the HAV skill just to get into the thing but didn't put any points into the shield side so the moment they got it trained they hopped in thinking they'd be awesome but then realised they actually need to fit it properly if they want it to actually survive.

This is quite true. Fitting a vehicle requires a huge investment in engineering and defensive skills. The hull and weapons are but a fraction of the real cost. First you need to skill up CPU and PG generation so you can power your vehicle, then you need to level at least three shield or armor skills to get access to the best modules for your type. You will probably also need the best PG grid module which means leveling PG Upgrade to level 4. All that requires millions of SP. Good vehicles are huge SP sinks.

Have perfect skills for shield tanks and armor yet it still doesnt feel like a tank, just an extra large dropsuit

Tanks are far from being tanks, at one point they were feared whenever a tank was dropped now its laughter and free points for everyone

Doesnt help that AV is broke and HAVs got another round of nerfs in the latest patch while AV got another powerful basically 'free' weapon

I fit a Sagaris with an eHP* of 10,105 shield with an additional 2,082 eHP from a Clarity Ward Shield Booster. Add 1,249 Armor HP and that totals 13,436 eHP. I could increase that by an additional 396 eHP by skilling two more levels of Shield Control.

That doesn't reduce my offense by much as I can run two 20GJ Scattered Ion Cannon small blaster turrets and an 80GJ Scattered Neutron Blaster main turret. I don't have any slots left for turret or propulsion mods, but I consider it a pretty tanky tank.

How much eHP would you consider to be "tanky"?

* Assuming that stacking two 15% Ward Shield Amplifiers yields 27% efficiency

Right now tanks are hyper powerhouses with not that much armor in comparison. Tanks however should carry more hp and less firepower so tanks battles are not over in seconds. This will also allow tanks to be in hotspots for over 3 seconds where infantry will not destroy them in seconds. This allows tanks to keep a presence and be supported by and support infantry. However their firepower should be reduced at that point so they cannot mow down everything in sight. tanks should be more like their old name, armor, than super strong firebower mobile instillations.

I'd personally like to see tanks become much slower. Even if that is unrealistic, it'll make maneuvering more important and cause HAVs to stay near friendly infantry. I generally support all measures that improve ground possession.

and by the way,

@ Ulysses Knapse

This explains your position of my swarm launcher suggestion here. Biased much?

Your ad hominem means nothing to me. Swarm Launchers are plain better than Forge Guns. It's not biased, it's just an observation, one I have made many times.

problem with tanks atm is that AV is too strong and there are alot of AV options + more on the way yet tanks got their cpu and pg values readjusted again.

Low lvl AV especially seems too strong imo
Militia FG/Swarms doin 1200 dmg with bonus dmg to shields or armor? srs ccp?

my militia FG fit costs me about 4K and does 1320 dmg with a dmg mod

marauder class tanks need to be able to take more of a beating tbh
dropships as well
both those class of vehicles dont last long in a hotzone

Apologies, but even with your refreshing vocabulary (big smiles) this is not an attack against you, it is an attack against your argument. I have simply identified that you are bias on the swarm launcher argument as you are on the receiving end!

Militia tanks aren't serious tanks, but they do serve to train drivers to play very conservatively and be fully aware of their surroundings. They can be fielded once per match without losing ISK and once you can keep one alive for half a match you are probably ready to move up. I view it as driving around a balsa wood model of a tank.

Well, my first two or three lasted as long as a balsa wood tank would have.

I did get a militia HAV to last a match but building SP for my two week old character is slow going. HAVs need a lot of SP to get to activated. One has to kitten a lot of SP down the drain of LAV land to get to HAVs. Not including the effort through both sets of small turrets to put the large turret you actually want on your HAV.

Off topic: Skihids, have you posted a HAV driver's manual as well? Your DS version got me flying my DS, versus only crashing it.

I am on the receiving end of a swarm launcher. I'm also on the receiving end of a forge gun. That doesn't make me biased against one of them, it just makes me more experienced with the repercussions of both, and I can tell you that forge guns are certainly not one of my bigger concerns as a HAV driver. Sometimes I get stuck temporarily and see a marvelously slow fatboy come up to me with a forge gun. In that situation, it scares me. In most situations, I brush it off and just move away from the fatboy, then shoot him. Swarm launchers are different. The minute I see or hear a swarm launcher, I'm instantly put on high alert, and I immediately try to find who is firing it. Forge guns scare me at close range. Swarm launchers scare the living **** out of me at all ranges. I am not biased against one AV weapon because I drive a HAV. In fact, until I actually started driving a HAV, I thought the forge gun was better. Now, I know better. If anything, my occupation reduces any of my biases against weapons used against me.

So yes, it is ad hominem. You are saying that my argument is biased because of what I do. In other cases, that would make sense. For example, a LAV driver is more likely to say that swarm launchers are more overpowered than forge guns because swarm launchers are made to be better than forge guns at hitting fast targets. I, however, am not a LAV driver, I am a HAV driver, and forge guns don't have too much difficulty hitting me at their intended range, so long as they aim decently.