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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:03:00 -
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Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:19:00 -
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I don't know about more heavies but there is definitely an increase in mass driver users. One game I was watching a mass driver firefight between about 4 guys. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:26:00 -
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AR's especially Exile are everywhere. Heavy's are more common, but not all that much, you just notice them more because a few more joined to become a greater threat. There is a definite increase in Lasers, maybe 20% now, and MD is slightly more common. HMG is being pulled out becuaseof the influx of login bros willing to back a Heavy up now. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:28:00 -
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The increaes in mass drivers probably directly correlates to the increase in LogiBro's. When I run logistics, Mass Driver is my weapon of choice for support as the weapon was intended. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:32:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:AR's especially Exile are everywhere. Heavy's are more common, but not all that much, you just notice them more because a few more joined to become a greater threat. There is a definite increase in Lasers, maybe 20% now, and MD is slightly more common. HMG is being pulled out becuaseof the influx of login bros willing to back a Heavy up now.
There is definitely an increase in lasers....you see them more on the 3 letter map.
The exile is everywhere because it's free and hits just like the GEK |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:47:00 -
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I run militia scout since its fun to take down heavies in nothing but militia. Yeah I die a lot but who cares since I am haveing fun and who cares since it all gets wiped. |
Psychotic Shooter
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:51:00 -
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My Opinion yets see shot them in the head with my suit (assault) they go down so fast haha |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:52:00 -
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If other weapons came as militia, or came in starter fits, then I think this problem would be less. This needs to happen first before further rebalancing IMO. |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:If other weapons came as militia, or came in starter fits, then I think this problem would be less. This needs to happen first before further rebalancing IMO. I very recently started a new alt, it seems that in this build, as well as the assault starter suits, you also get a starter suit based on your chosen class. I've got a sentinel starter suit that gives me a heavy suit and a forge gun.
I've not checked the other classes to see what's in their starter fits. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:12:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". Heavy's. All most. Apparently. Being. As well. All most. Heavy's.
Thought you read your posts though before posting them? You really let all those mistakes get thought your proof read?...
AR's will always be the most popular weapon, the problem is that now some of the AR variants are balanced and some are unusable, like the breach and TAC variants.
More logi's is due to the WP's being put back in now that boosting has been fixed.
Massive increase of heavy's/HMG is due in part to the AR nerf, now we have lots of much harder to kill people on the field using the same tactics they use to.
Laser rifles are much, much, much more common now, they are severely OP and need looking at.
MD's are also slightly OP and need looking at. |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:34:00 -
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Lasers aint OP they are in the same state like shotguns. When you are in optimal range you deliver devastating damage, if not you get killed very easy. Even a proto laser will barely touch the shilds from a militia assault suit at point blank range while he gets gunned down by a AR. You simply need to do the opposite what you do against shotgunners. Against shotguns you keep distance, against lasers you need to get close. Treat a laser rifle user like a sniper, get up close and kill him. Its not that hard to do. And most laser rifle users will stay in a good overview spot where they can keep distance. Another thing is lasers do have range limitations you can do the range game aswell by picking up a sniper rifle and outrange the laser. And dont tell me that there are not enough snipers. In the last build you could see every match 3-4 snipers sitting on mountains. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:36:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". Heavy's. All most. Apparently. Being. As well. All most. Heavy's. Thought you read your posts though before posting them? You really let all those mistakes get thought your proof read?... AR's will always be the most popular weapon, the problem is that now some of the AR variants are balanced and some are unusable, like the breach and TAC variants. More logi's is due to the WP's being put back in now that boosting has been fixed. Massive increase of heavy's/HMG is due in part to the AR nerf, now we have lots of much harder to kill people on the field using the same tactics they use to. Laser rifles are much, much, much more common now, they are severely OP and need looking at. MD's are also slightly OP and need looking at.
Since when the hell were lasers severely OP? No one complained about them last build. Neither about MD'S
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:15:00 -
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most don't know it takes alot of situational awareness to play heavy well which most don't have much of = easy kill |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:23:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". Heavy's. All most. Apparently. Being. As well. All most. Heavy's. Thought you read your posts though before posting them? You really let all those mistakes get thought your proof read?... AR's will always be the most popular weapon, the problem is that now some of the AR variants are balanced and some are unusable, like the breach and TAC variants. More logi's is due to the WP's being put back in now that boosting has been fixed. Massive increase of heavy's/HMG is due in part to the AR nerf, now we have lots of much harder to kill people on the field using the same tactics they use to. Laser rifles are much, much, much more common now, they are severely OP and need looking at. MD's are also slightly OP and need looking at. Since when the hell were lasers severely OP? No one complained about them last build. Neither about MD'S
Just because people don't complain does not mean something is not balanced, it simply means the masses have not worked out that the items are unbalanced yet.
Give it a few weeks and everyone will be using MD's and LR's. LR's especially.
Funny how Dark Cloud was crying about AR's for weeks and now they can't counter LR's due to being unbalanced he thinks that LR's are perfectly balanced. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:24:00 -
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personally i dont see a problem with how ppl specialise now ARs will ALWAYS be the main goto weapon of ANY FPS game. Its the standard all around decent weapon anyone who plays FPS will automatically gravitate towards the AR
MDs, LRs i consider speciality support weapons |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:29:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:personally i dont see a problem with how ppl specialise now ARs will ALWAYS be the main goto weapon of ANY FPS game. Its the standard all around decent weapon anyone who plays FPS will automatically gravitate towards the AR
MDs, LRs i consider speciality support weapons
You may need to simply that post into baby talk to Dark Cloud for understand it. He clearly does not get the fact that AR's are "standard". |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:34:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". Heavy's. All most. Apparently. Being. As well. All most. Heavy's. Thought you read your posts though before posting them? You really let all those mistakes get thought your proof read?... AR's will always be the most popular weapon, the problem is that now some of the AR variants are balanced and some are unusable, like the breach and TAC variants. More logi's is due to the WP's being put back in now that boosting has been fixed. Massive increase of heavy's/HMG is due in part to the AR nerf, now we have lots of much harder to kill people on the field using the same tactics they use to. Laser rifles are much, much, much more common now, they are severely OP and need looking at. MD's are also slightly OP and need looking at. Since when the hell were lasers severely OP? No one complained about them last build. Neither about MD'S Just because people don't complain does not mean something is not balanced, it simply means the masses have not worked out that the items are unbalanced yet. Give it a few weeks and everyone will be using MD's and LR's. LR's especially. Funny how Dark Cloud was crying about AR's for weeks and now they can't counter LR's due to being unbalanced he thinks that LR's are perfectly balanced.
Lol shots fired |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:35:00 -
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the main reason ,that there are more heavies on the field is (besides the AR nerf) that now you actually see people with Reppers on the field willing to help you and following heavies, so that they can make more risky moves |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:36:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare
My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". Heavy's. All most. Apparently. Being. As well. All most. Heavy's. Thought you read your posts though before posting them? You really let all those mistakes get thought your proof read?... AR's will always be the most popular weapon, the problem is that now some of the AR variants are balanced and some are unusable, like the breach and TAC variants. More logi's is due to the WP's being put back in now that boosting has been fixed. Massive increase of heavy's/HMG is due in part to the AR nerf, now we have lots of much harder to kill people on the field using the same tactics they use to. Laser rifles are much, much, much more common now, they are severely OP and need looking at. MD's are also slightly OP and need looking at. Since when the hell were lasers severely OP? No one complained about them last build. Neither about MD'S Just because people don't complain does not mean something is not balanced, it simply means the masses have not worked out that the items are unbalanced yet. Give it a few weeks and everyone will be using MD's and LR's. LR's especially. Funny how Dark Cloud was crying about AR's for weeks and now they can't counter LR's due to being unbalanced he thinks that LR's are perfectly balanced. Lol shots fired
As much as i disliked you at the start from the whole MAG BS that flooded the forums i do sometimes think there's very few people here that think things through and look at the whole picture as much as you do. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:40:00 -
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Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. |
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slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:43:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Lasers aint OP they are in the same state like shotguns. When you are in optimal range you deliver devastating damage, if not you get killed very easy. Even a proto laser will barely touch the shilds from a militia assault suit at point blank range while he gets gunned down by a AR. You simply need to do the opposite what you do against shotgunners. Against shotguns you keep distance, against lasers you need to get close. Treat a laser rifle user like a sniper, get up close and kill him. Its not that hard to do. And most laser rifle users will stay in a good overview spot where they can keep distance. Another thing is lasers do have range limitations you can do the range game aswell by picking up a sniper rifle and outrange the laser. And dont tell me that there are not enough snipers. In the last build you could see every match 3-4 snipers sitting on mountains.
This +1 |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:10:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming.
If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?....
Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:17:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?.... Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP.
LOL must of been fun. Its christmas ppl prob wanted a light show :P but yea havent seen something like that yet, ive seen the usual 2-4 lasers per match tbh not hard to avoid lasers , dmg mods are STILL broken
on the topic of lasers for me it depends on the map the 3pt map ill go lasers as its more open , still go AR on that map as well if i plan to really push objectives and not play a more support role
4pt map ARs or MDs depends on my mood.
Lasers are a situational weapon for me tbh the standard and ELM arent bad imo. havent personally used the viziam but i know when u stack the broken dmg mods on them they rip through **** really fast. Gotta fix the dmg mods 1st tbh
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Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:11:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?.... Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP.
Because ppl are fraking idiots, they see themselves getting demolished by a LR user so they decide eeww i want to try that. NVM the reason ppl get slammed by LR is because they move around open space for too long. All you have to do is learn to find objects to put b/w you and a LR and they are worthless. Then close the gap. Too much open space to cover to close the gap, have you squad provide covering fire till you can, tactics do help. The reason ppl think the LR is so beastly is because most FPSers play out in the open like morons never thinking or worrying about cover until a sniper rings their bell. People just need to adjust, once they learn to think about the possible threats to get from point A to point B they wont find any gun OP.
Edit-Now if you want to talk about the combo of a LR with a tier III SMG or a skilled scrambler users now we can talk that combo reminds of the dual wield needler with a single burst from the BR in Halo 2. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:17:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?.... Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP. Because ppl are fraking idiots, they see themselves getting demolished by a LR user so they decide eeww i want to try that. NVM the reason ppl get slammed by LR is because they move around open space for too long. All you have to do is learn to find objects to put b/w you and a LR and they are worthless. Then close the gap. Too much open space to cover to close the gap, have you squad provide covering fire till you can, tactics do help. The reason ppl think the LR is so beastly is because most FPSers play out in the open like morons never thinking or worrying about cover until a sniper rings their bell. People just need to adjust, once they learn to think about the possible threats to get from point A to point B they wont find any gun OP. Sounds like LR user QQ to me. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:34:00 -
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lol tbh i gotta agree on the part with ppl playin out in the open too much and completely oblivious to their surroundings. not gonna lie DUST currently has some of the worst players FPS wise ive ever seen.
I STILL see ppl crouch in the middle of the road when in a gunfight or some dude trying to be "tactical" and crouch on a rock somewhere with his sides and all other angles wide open.
Ive even seen bluedots around an objective and completely oblivious to the single red dot hackin the objective 10 meters from them.....like srsly.....u dont notice the text and flashing light sayin ur letter is being taken? |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:39:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support
not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives
In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:
-situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush
Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?.... Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP. Because ppl are fraking idiots, they see themselves getting demolished by a LR user so they decide eeww i want to try that. NVM the reason ppl get slammed by LR is because they move around open space for too long. All you have to do is learn to find objects to put b/w you and a LR and they are worthless. Then close the gap. Too much open space to cover to close the gap, have you squad provide covering fire till you can, tactics do help. The reason ppl think the LR is so beastly is because most FPSers play out in the open like morons never thinking or worrying about cover until a sniper rings their bell. People just need to adjust, once they learn to think about the possible threats to get from point A to point B they wont find any gun OP. Sounds like LR user QQ to me.
Actually i dont use the LR, i use AR with my assault class and i bounce b/w SMG and MD with my Logi build. Know plenty of LR users have dealt with enough of them in battle, the only scenario that i thought of that would make them OP is if I were to spec my Assault class into LR and SMG skill opeartions and LW and Sidearm sharpshooters, that might be a sick combo with the LR cutting you down and me letting you close the gap to eat my SMG for dinner. But thats a tactic not the result of one weapon. There are other combinations of weapons and or grenades that can produce similar effects because they complement the weakness inherent in a given weapon. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:44:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:lol tbh i gotta agree on the part with ppl playin out in the open too much and completely oblivious to their surroundings. not gonna lie DUST currently has some of the worst players FPS wise ive ever seen.
I STILL see ppl crouch in the middle of the road when in a gunfight or some dude trying to be "tactical" and crouch on a rock somewhere with his sides and all other angles wide open.
Ive even seen bluedots around an objective and completely oblivious to the single red dot hackin the objective 10 meters from them.....like srsly.....u dont notice the text and flashing light sayin ur letter is being taken?
I love it when ppl crounch makes the headshot so much easier. its like they are bowing before they meet their end. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.12.27 04:21:00 -
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Weapons are more balanced this build. The laser?? Oh scary! not! Move rock to rock and then play Exile tag or HMG tag or use my double pistol fit called 007. Then the fun part is getting hate mail from the dead laser rifle user on how its "unfair" lol! to use double pistols to kill them.
And in CQC it looks like a SMG kills an AR ?? Its all GOOD!! HMG? Yeah trying it out in face to face it shines but any assault or scout just waits until reloadtime and them boom!! one more dead Tech Ohm clone!
Shotgun is fun but if you miss then you die, die and died. Things are balanced as far as WEAPONS.
Damage mods need balancing as they are BROKEN.
Wait did someone mention idiotic, inept and useless bludots?? Sigh................. A match yesterday a L.O.T.I.S clanmate brings out a tank close to the letter and then mentions that it got hit by very high damage forge gun hits close to a breach forge gun.
So we move the tank out of the area and then we looked for the breach forge gun user. Six seconds charge up time per shot and UNMOVING yeah? Red dot was right next to and in the middle of a crowd of ten!! USELESS! bludots!! arrrrghhhhh!!! The idiocy levels of some folks is just really out there.
And if the NDA gets lifted then we will post some of those videos of useless!! bludots! |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.12.27 04:57:00 -
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I definitely see more logi's on the field than is necessary. I also definitely don't see enough heavy+HMG combos as I would like to. This leads to a bunch of logistics running around partner-less, and far less effective than they could be.
Just my two cents. |
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