DUST Search - The current situation of specialisation

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable:
-area denial for infantry
-medium-long range support

not capable:
-CQB fights
-assaulting objectives

In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things:

-situational awareness
-good positioning
-good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target)
-squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush

Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming.

If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?....

Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP.

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KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2012.12.27 14:08:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. lolwut? Where does it say HMG accuracy increased? If anything we got added recoil along with ARs due to us aiming right behind the barrel... P.S. LRs are auto snipers with no scope.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.27 15:04:00 - [32] - Quote I have used laser rifles a lot this build and I can say that they are really not OP. I have taken out most people with Laser Rifles with my laser and I can say it is working as intended. There are some games where I have gone 30+ kills with my laser and those are because the morons decide to run away from me, instead of into me. I do keep my distance. Remember lasers are supposed to do more damage over distance and time. Working as intended. If you stay long enough in the same position you are pretty much dead. So many times I have sniped snipers with my laser rifle because they just sit there takig damage. You would think to move when your health is decreasing. Headshots from lasers are devastating as it should be. I have also gone games where in I have got 8-10 kills but 30 + assists. Lasers are great for taking down shields and helping the team out too. TARs and snipers are my bane. I have also run into people with lasers in CQC. Thats a fail.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.27 16:59:00 - [33] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Funny how Dark Cloud was crying about AR's for weeks and now they can't counter LR's due to being unbalanced he thinks that LR's are perfectly balanced. ^^ Yup. Hands off his toys. I've specc'd into almost every weapon skill lvl3 (except shotgun because it needs no skill) and none make more of an impact "at the moment" than Laser Rifles. Mass Drivers come a close second. Are they good short range weapons? Nope. Are they good mid-range weapons? From advanced on yes. Are they the best long range weapons? Yup. Even over the sniper rifle, the snipers cant move when they shoot. Can an Assault Rifle strip the shields from a tank/dropship? Nope. But a Laser Rifle can do it better than anything other than forge. With a Viziam and damage mods it is ridiculous how much damage an LR can do. Am I calling for them to be nerfed, not really, but I would like them to look at the damage output compared to snipers. I agree the LR is a support weapon because of it's range. But if a good LR user is in an elevated position with proto laser/damage mods it will swing the battle for sure, seen it happen time and again this build.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:07:00 - [34] - Quote Best solution rather than tweaking damage would be to make the LR only damage shields. It's a true support weapon then.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:11:00 - [35] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Are they the best long range weapons? Yup. Even over the sniper rifle, the snipers cant move when they shoot. With a Viziam and damage mods it is ridiculous how much damage an LR can do. Am I calling for them to be nerfed, not really, but I would like them to look at the damage output compared to snipers. I agree the LR is a support weapon because of it's range. But if a good LR user is in an elevated position with proto laser/damage mods it will swing the battle for sure, seen it happen time and again this build. I would still say that the best long range weapon is the sniper rifle. I have started using the sniper rifles and I must say the charged sniper is a beast. Takes a while to get ready but does a lot of damage. Most of my games I go 15+ kills(which is not that great and I suck at sniping). Laser rifles are great against field snipers. You know the ones that crouch in the middle of the field trying to snipe people out. As far as the viziam is concerned I havent used it but I have taken people who have them. I have also seen dark cloud use the viziam with great effect. The problem here is that damage mods are broken and thats why we seen the crazy damage. And yes being at an elevated position does give laser rifles an advantage. I have used this many times to great effect. However if you have a sniper out you can easily take me out. Again its all about balance. I do agree that laser rifles damage needs to be looked at and compared with that of a sniper rifle.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:13:00 - [36] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Best solution rather than tweaking damage would be to make the LR only damage shields. It's a true support weapon then. Thats like saying make sure that all projectile weapons damage only armor.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.27 17:19:00 - [37] - Quote Fun thing to know is that i used laser rifles before every 1 else even thought off it. Cause they where looked down and nobody even thought of replacing their precious AR. This was stright after the missile launcher nerf and i wanted something that not every 1 used. And oh well seems like it worked out pretty well for me.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2012.12.27 18:11:00 - [38] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Fun thing to know is that i used laser rifles before every 1 else even thought off it. Cause they where looked down and nobody even thought of replacing their precious AR. This was stright after the missile launcher nerf and i wanted something that not every 1 used. And oh well seems like it worked out pretty well for me. Can someone give this guy some attention for using LRs first... Your'e welcome.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:18:00 - [39] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Fun thing to know is that i used laser rifles before every 1 else even thought off it. Cause they where looked down and nobody even thought of replacing their precious AR. This was stright after the missile launcher nerf and i wanted something that not every 1 used. And oh well seems like it worked out pretty well for me. Yes DC, you're the only person on the enitre game that was using them when they was first released and everyone was curious about them.
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 129	Posted - 2012.12.27 19:47:00 - [40] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: lol tbh i gotta agree on the part with ppl playin out in the open too much and completely oblivious to their surroundings. not gonna lie DUST currently has some of the worst players FPS wise ive ever seen. I STILL see ppl crouch in the middle of the road when in a gunfight or some dude trying to be "tactical" and crouch on a rock somewhere with his sides and all other angles wide open. Ive even seen bluedots around an objective and completely oblivious to the single red dot hackin the objective 10 meters from them.....like srsly.....u dont notice the text and flashing light sayin ur letter is being taken? The underlined alone is the reason we need FF turned on...

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:02:00 - [41] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Well if you think the lasers are overpowered i can give you details in what it is capable: -area denial for infantry -medium-long range support not capable: -CQB fights -assaulting objectives In my eyes its mainly a squad weapon to support your guys against people who are on medium-long distance. You can aswell defend a objective as long you have a good and wide view in the area where hostile troops need to proceed. However a laser rifle is not capable in taking a objective cause its just not good enough to fight people up close to a objective. Thats where AR guys hop in and go for the hack. What you guys mainly are getting upset is when 1 laser rifle gets into a very good overview spot and basically camps it like no tomorrow on ambush (my speciality). This is a legit tactic cause on ambush you are supposed to get as many kills as possible and dont die to much. And you guys forget the fact that a AR kills up close much quicker then a laser rifle. And shotguns have the potential of 1 hit kills. The AR is a jack of all trades. You get what you pay for. It doesnt shine in any special situation but it is a decent allround weapon. The damage is fine on it cause when you get up close you basically force the laser rifle guy to use his sidearm which is high likely to be inferior to your assault rifle. And i highly doubt that you will see tons of lasers in the future. Simply due to the fact when a n00b picks up this weapon he does terrible with it. To be good with it you must have these things: -situational awareness -good positioning -good aim (cause you need to be aible to keep the beam on the target) -squad support who helps you to defend your camp spot on ambush Yes i can get 30-0 on ambush simply cause nobody is actually bothered to take me out. Before the maps became smaller i had massive problems with snipers who hunt me down. And whats so hard to pick up a laser rifle by yourself and trying to fight back? Its basically then the same situation with AR vs AR. The guy with the better reflexes and aim will win. And its not really difficult to find the laser rifle user. Just look from where the bright green beam is coming. If they are not OP why did i just jump in a match without a single AR and everyone was running LRs?.... Everybodys jumping on that right now because they are OP. Seems like this is your personal bias. You are using anecdotal evidence to suppor it too, which is, well, weak. I have seen many games where there would be a bunch of MD users, and because MD is a loud weapon, it seems that there are a lot more ppl using it then there actually are. And I was in a bunch of games where there seemed to be a bunch of LR users, some of whom seemed decent. The vast majority of games tho, if you don't go cherry picking, consist of the same old AR crowd and they are not going anywhere. Ppl who used to be killers with AR are still killers with AR. I am for one glad there is a bit of diversity introduced to the game where ppl are not cornered to choose between AR and HMC just because every other weapon is garbage.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.27 20:11:00 - [42] - Quote I'm all for a diverse set of weapons, if it's not diverse things are not balanced and that's my point, i'm seeing more MD's and LR's than anything else. It's impossible to quantify because its the people on the forums, reading the threads and actually testing the mechanics that are using them and the people who are playing it casually and not giving a **** about the games outcome that are the majority of AR users.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.12.27 21:51:00 - [43] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Allright the current build is out for some quite time and ive made the following observations: -Main weapon is still the assault rifle -increase of logis running around the field -massive increase on people who use a heavy+HMG -laser rifle users are still a minority you see maybe 1 laser every 4 matches. -mass drivers are still rare My main concern is that a huge amount of players are focus now on on heavys. There is allmost no skirmish where the half opposite team is not sitting in heavy suits with HMG's. This becomes appearently very popular since the AR has beeing balanced and now every n00b hops to the next best thing to spray and pray. Because the accuracy has beeing increased aswell on them they can shot you on allmost the exact same range like assault rifles. Opposed to the general thoughts laser rifles are not the thing that the majority is going for cause you need to be accurate with them to do anything good. Though i saw heavys with laser rifles. Well i would like to hear other opinions about the "heavy dropsuit situation". ok some points here: 1). Upset about the AR's now; b/c has lead more people to use the hmg b/c you were tired of AR's being accurate and they arent as much; so people are spray and pray as hmgs have the same range w/o the god awful IS 1b). AR's will ALWAYS be the main weapon of the battlefield; this will never change, as it allows for the most versatile gameplay 2). Logi's still are hit and miss; as even if they are around i feel they are useless 3). This is obvious (as stated in #1 b/c of the hit AR's took) 4). Definitely NOT; i see laser every game im in 5). MD are not rare, i also see these every game, as they are the one of the newest OP weapons; as everything got "nerfed" into Chromo, where MD's were given a buff
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.27 22:28:00 - [44] - Quote just because u see it everygame dont mean its OP i still see way more ARs than MDs or LRs and its not only from the casual ppl but still from the ppl beta testing the game ive seen a slight increase in variation in terms of LRs and MDs Heavies got a big boost, seeing alot more of those recently
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.12.28 04:18:00 - [45] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: just because u see it everygame dont mean its OP i still see way more ARs than MDs or LRs and its not only from the casual ppl but still from the ppl beta testing the game ive seen a slight increase in variation in terms of LRs and MDs Heavies got a big boost, seeing alot more of those recently never said it was OP, simply said the MD are being identified w/ as being OP :) . But yes, you will always see AR's no matter the situation as like said, they are the most versatile; and it could be people dont want to spec away from them. But personally; either on my team or enemy team; every game i play i usually see at least one of each


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