DUST Search - headshot - instant death

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

SoTa PoP wrote:

So if someone puts a bullet in your head and a blueberry uses his injector to revive you... the bullet in your head magically vanishes? I can understand torso or other parts of the body where you can simply get injected with something to help you ignore the pain and keep fighting - but a bullet in the head is rather permanent.

If you don't die to that last hit being a headshot, it's not a bullet in your head. It's a bullet trapped in the armour around your head, or deflected by the shields around that armour. For that matter, why do headshots do bonus damage to shields? That seems silly to me.

And if the bullet hits the lower portion of your head, then the same nanites that comfortably and easily rebuild your internal organs and any spinal damage lower down your back can reasonably be expected to repair any damage to the top of your spinal cord where it meets the brain. If it's your brain itself being destroyed, then your consciousness would be automatically and immediately transferred as teh brain is being damaged, so no revive for you. But other than that, it's reasonable to expect that YES, you CAN be revived.

Try google searching "headshot survivor" - there are a surprising number of them out there.

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Razor Risen Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:30:00 - [1] - Quote i dont like the fact that you die (not revivable ) because of headshots. It's stupid. Explosions yes but headshots no! What do you think ?
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:31:00 - [2] - Quote i find it more disgusting that i can't shoot a bleed out and cause it to go into rapid decomposition.
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:34:00 - [3] - Quote Gameplay wise it's ok. If you have skill to aim precisely, you should be awarded. Lore wise, it also seems ok. A dropsuite has less armor on helmet.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote I would assume a head shot to make a mess of the brain, so while the nanites can repair the brain, all of the information it contained is lost. You would just be a vegetable. Seems fine to me.
JLoom Loomis Mid-West Militia 5	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:39:00 - [5] - Quote Right. Brain matter is destroyed causing instant transmission to the clone. make sense to give a reason to aim for the head
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:52:00 - [6] - Quote Ahem... Zombies soldiers?
Sparten 269 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:21:00 - [7] - Quote Razor Risen wrote: i dont like the fact that you die (not revivable ) because of headshots. It's stupid. Explosions yes but headshots no! What do you think ? So your saying that total annihilation of the brain shouldn't permanently kill you?
Riggs Prime Ghost Wolf Industries 8	Posted - 2012.12.20 13:20:00 - [8] - Quote Scout suit should take only one shot from a head shot, but heavy suits shouldnt. It would be cool if heavys got their "bell rung" after taking a sniper round to the head. Like a bluring effect for a few seconds. As well as damage of course.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.12.20 14:10:00 - [9] - Quote Riggs Prime wrote: Scout suit should take only one shot from a head shot, but heavy suits shouldnt. It would be cool if heavys got their "bell rung" after taking a sniper round to the head. Like a bluring effect for a few seconds. As well as damage of course. nope
Riggs Prime Ghost Wolf Industries 8	Posted - 2012.12.20 14:19:00 - [10] - Quote Umbat Boki wrote: Gameplay wise it's ok. If you have skill to aim precisely, you should be awarded. Lore wise, it also seems ok. A dropsuite has less armor on helmet. Id like to see drop suit weak points be 1 shot kills. Why would a drop suit have less armor at the human body's weakest point???

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.20 14:40:00 - [11] - Quote At the point of death everything is transferred to your clone anyways Doesnt matter
Abner Kalen Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 100	Posted - 2012.12.20 20:50:00 - [12] - Quote When they start iterating on effects I hope that they incorporate some Gears of War style deaths. Headshot = no head. Shotgun = asploded midsection. Grenade = limbs everywhere! Seriously, I wouldn't mind getting shot by unseen snipers or scouts with shotguns if there was a cool animation associated with my death. Instead of just greyscale falling sideways over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.12.20 20:51:00 - [13] - Quote Razor Risen wrote: i dont like the fact that you die (not revivable ) because of headshots. It's stupid. Explosions yes but headshots no! What do you think ? Maybe because their electronic merc brains are in the head?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.20 20:54:00 - [14] - Quote So if someone puts a bullet in your head and a blueberry uses his injector to revive you... the bullet in your head magically vanishes? I can understand torso or other parts of the body where you can simply get injected with something to help you ignore the pain and keep fighting - but a bullet in the head is rather permanent.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:02:00 - [15] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: So if someone puts a bullet in your head and a blueberry uses his injector to revive you... the bullet in your head magically vanishes? I can understand torso or other parts of the body where you can simply get injected with something to help you ignore the pain and keep fighting - but a bullet in the head is rather permanent. If you don't die to that last hit being a headshot, it's not a bullet in your head. It's a bullet trapped in the armour around your head, or deflected by the shields around that armour. For that matter, why do headshots do bonus damage to shields? That seems silly to me. And if the bullet hits the lower portion of your head, then the same nanites that comfortably and easily rebuild your internal organs and any spinal damage lower down your back can reasonably be expected to repair any damage to the top of your spinal cord where it meets the brain. If it's your brain itself being destroyed, then your consciousness would be automatically and immediately transferred as teh brain is being damaged, so no revive for you. But other than that, it's reasonable to expect that YES, you CAN be revived. Try google searching "headshot survivor" - there are a surprising number of them out there.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:05:00 - [16] - Quote My scrambler pistol adventures seems to show that not all head shots kills result in insta death for the clone, hard thing to test though.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:06:00 - [17] - Quote Abner Kalen wrote: When they start iterating on effects I hope that they incorporate some Gears of War style deaths. Headshot = no head. Shotgun = asploded midsection. Grenade = limbs everywhere! Seriously, I wouldn't mind getting shot by unseen snipers or scouts with shotguns if there was a cool animation associated with my death. Instead of just greyscale falling sideways over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... i would like to see also except then the australians cannot play i think they have some kind of ban on graphic games
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:07:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: So if someone puts a bullet in your head and a blueberry uses his injector to revive you... the bullet in your head magically vanishes? I can understand torso or other parts of the body where you can simply get injected with something to help you ignore the pain and keep fighting - but a bullet in the head is rather permanent. If you don't die to that last hit being a headshot, it's not a bullet in your head. It's a bullet trapped in the armour around your head, or deflected by the shields around that armour. For that matter, why do headshots do bonus damage to shields? That seems silly to me. And if the bullet hits the lower portion of your head, then the same nanites that comfortably and easily rebuild your internal organs and any spinal damage lower down your back can reasonably be expected to repair any damage to the top of your spinal cord where it meets the brain. If it's your brain itself being destroyed, then your consciousness would be automatically and immediately transferred as teh brain is being damaged, so no revive for you. But other than that, it's reasonable to expect that YES, you CAN be revived. Try google searching "headshot survivor" - there are a surprising number of them out there. Yeah but that's for a 9mm bullet lodged in a harmless part of your brain. This is smoking hot plasma to the brain.
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:26:00 - [19] - Quote Nakite injectors administer nanites to bring matter back to its original state , it should be able to fix you up no matter what it could take about 5 seconds to revive a headshot merc and a quick bleed out time would be perfect.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:39:00 - [20] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Yeah but that's for a 9mm bullet lodged in a harmless part of your brain. This is smoking hot plasma to the brain. Read my whole post. Your brain doesn't fill your entire head. There's room for other things as well. Like a mouth, eyes, nose, part of your spinal column... A hit to the lower part of your head, even with smoking hot plasma, can reasonably be expected - especially while being partly absorbed by the remains of your armour - to not harm the brain at all in some cases.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:40:00 - [21] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Yeah but that's for a 9mm bullet lodged in a harmless part of your brain. This is smoking hot plasma to the brain. Read my whole post. Your brain doesn't fill your entire head. There's room for other things as well. Like a mouth, eyes, nose, part of your spinal column... A hit to the lower part of your head, even with smoking hot plasma, can reasonably be expected - especially while being partly absorbed by the remains of your armour - to not harm the brain at all in some cases. I think you're being too specific though about head shots. Keep it simple, whole head = bonus or not.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:42:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah I get the logic, but can they code it? I think head shotting in these games is like eh look you got aiming skill. Here is a treat, you did more dmg and they aren't coming back. Honestly in the future I think it would be obsolete to even keep your brain inside the "head". I think it should be in the chest, Or throughout the whole body.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:53:00 - [23] - Quote Razor Risen wrote: i dont like the fact that you die (not revivable ) because of headshots. It's stupid. Explosions yes but headshots no! What do you think ? Makes sense to me. Since when was a headshot survivable?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:53:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly, I agree with the logic (both lore-wise and gameplay-wise) behind headshots preventing resurrection, but I was playing devil's advocate because I can see the other side too. Ideally, the game would have a triple-layered set of hitboxes. On shields, you take fixed damage over the entire body, armour takes increased damage to the head, and once the armour fails, you get downed unless you're hit in a smaller "brain" hitbox rather than allowing it to count shots to any part of your head. Obviously that's impractical, and particularly silly considering it'll be near-impossible for most players to pick whether they hit the right part of the head anyway with most weapons, so what you COULD do is make it a 'threshold" system - if more than X damage hits the head after armour is counted, instant death. If not, they can fix you.
1CLIP 1KILL Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2012.12.20 23:29:00 - [25] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: i find it more disgusting that i can't shoot a bleed out and cause it to go into rapid decomposition. I support this statement. Also, headshot preventing revive is a good idea. Garrett Blacknova wrote: And if the bullet hits the lower portion of your head, then the same nanites that comfortably and easily rebuild your internal organs and any spinal damage lower down your back can reasonably be expected to repair any damage to the top of your spinal cord where it meets the brain. If it's your brain itself being destroyed, then your consciousness would be automatically and immediately transferred as teh brain is being damaged, so no revive for you. In case you're wondering, it's the lower part of the brain matters. You can get shot in the top part and survive. If anything, you'd die from a straight shot through the nose. Keep in mind that the shattered bone from a shot to the spine would cause further damage to the important parts of the brain. The brainstem is not the same thing as the spinal cord.
Guydon Antllies HoloSec Armaments and Security 51	Posted - 2012.12.21 01:10:00 - [26] - Quote it destroy's the brain... good enough reason for me y u cant revive
Razor Risen Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.12.21 01:28:00 - [27] - Quote why arent they do it like battlefield ?
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.12.21 02:48:00 - [28] - Quote Razor Risen wrote: why arent they do it like battlefield ? Because in BF you can kill someone with one or two shots to the little toe. LOL
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2012.12.21 04:51:00 - [29] - Quote I don't know. I'd be pretty pissed if I lost a 100,000isk suit because of a lucky headshot fired from the hip (250,000isk on some heavies)
xMarauder Doomheim 139	Posted - 2012.12.21 05:01:00 - [30] - Quote Riggs Prime wrote: Scout suit should take only one shot from a head shot, but heavy suits shouldnt. It would be cool if heavys got their "bell rung" after taking a sniper round to the head. Like a bluring effect for a few seconds. As well as damage of course. That'd be pretty cool but anoying to us heavies after awhile lol. It's bad enough 500+ health vanishes in 1 headshot from a good sniper. Hate when that happens... Damn redline snipers..lol

Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2012.12.21 05:11:00 - [31] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I don't know. I'd be pretty pissed if I lost a 100,000isk suit because of a lucky headshot fired from the hip (250,000isk on some heavies) EDIT: I totally misread. This post, I apologise continue to ignore this post :P.


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