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Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
174
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:02:00 -
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I keep hearing rumors we moved to daily cap. Is this true
Also what is/was the weekly cap. And if we moved to daily whats the daily cap? |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
131
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:42:00 -
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Tzaar Bomba wrote:I keep hearing rumors we moved to daily cap. Is this true
Also what is/was the weekly cap. And if we moved to daily whats the daily cap?
Bump |
Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
174
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:08:00 -
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Bump |
Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:10:00 -
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We will find out tomorrow! :) |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2012.12.20 04:14:00 -
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Cmdr. Wang said we are in Daily SP not weekly anymore. But it feels like we are still on Weekly SP. By that I mean, I have played alot today and am still making quite a bit of SP.
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RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:28:00 -
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After release I was gettin 200 SP a match just like I was getting before release. After playing most of the day today Ive earned 200k or more SP. If there is a daily cap its must be around 300k or so per day. |
Luke Vetri
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
48
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:40:00 -
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Dam I wish I had that kind of time...
oh and bump |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:09:00 -
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bumpity bum bum bump buuummmmmmmmmmp |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:48:00 -
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i was about to make a thread about this. Still feels like we're on a weekly cap. Or so i hope. Cause if the daily cap is now around 300k sp, then hail to the grinders.....
And doom to those who actually have a life. And can't afford to play everyday. Oh, and that's the majority of players btw. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:00:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:i was about to make a thread about this. Still feels like we're on a weekly cap. Or so i hope. Cause if the daily cap is now around 300k sp, then hail to the grinders..... And doom to those who actually have a life. And can't afford to play everyday. Oh, and that's the majority of players btw.
This. A daily cap is a disastrous idea. I'm only able to play 2 or 3 days out of the week, and now I'm being told that even if I grind like hell on those few days, I'll never reach the same level as someone who, by sheer convenience, can play every day. |
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Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:05:00 -
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While i understand the want to have a Casual Weekly Cap Vs. a Hardcore Daily Cap, this IS the beta so lets just live with it for a while to figure out if a Daily Cap works. I for one would not mind getting to the Prototype level a bit faster like in the days of old so we could test out high-end gear vs. high end gear.
Keep the faith. |
Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:08:00 -
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So i was actually able to sit and grind a skill to lvl 5 in one day. Granted it was a x1 skill, but this changes things to a grinding game. I personally don't care if it will be a grinding game or a casual game because in the end i'll eventually get my sp. Don't care if there are ppl that enjoy grinding sp and get far ahead of me. However, with the current daily cap, its not going to take ppl to long to max out a role or two, then they will probably never buy another booster unless a ton more skills are introduced for each profession.
But whatever, if they want to test this method, then i'll be happy help.
Edit: was missing a few words.. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
219
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:31:00 -
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This is a pretty contentious issue. The problem with the weekly cap was that a lot of players would hit the cap by or during the weekend and come Monday and Tuesday the servers would be dead because there was little reward in playing. The daily cap fixes this problem but reintroduces the issue of the uber-grinders.
I've heard a few ideas about averaging it out over time or something along those lines but not sure I quite understood it all. It's definitely not a simple problem with a simple solution. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:54:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:This is a pretty contentious issue. The problem with the weekly cap was that a lot of players would hit the cap by or during the weekend and come Monday and Tuesday the servers would be dead because there was little reward in playing. The daily cap fixes this problem but reintroduces the issue of the uber-grinders.
I've heard a few ideas about averaging it out over time or something along those lines but not sure I quite understood it all. It's definitely not a simple problem with a simple solution.
No problem regarding the fact that previous weekly cap was too easily reached in 1 or 2 days. But it wasnt the "Weekly" part of it that was wrong. But the diminishing return and the cap itself. First SP income of the week were way too high and the cap too low for it to last a full week.
If a hardcore gets to reach such a cap in 5 days, i guess it would be good. It would mean that most casual would never reach it, thus reward for playing a lot, while still giving a chance to guys that mostly play on specific days (work, wife and all that) to not feel punished.
But in the end, the best solution would be a mix of those two systems (numbers are for example only) :
1) Daily cap say 150K and a weekly cap at 1050K SP 2) Pool system for people missing a day of reaching cap but with a penalty. => here's how it would work.
Examples 1) Hardcore dude. Gets to reach daily cap every day. Earns 150K daily and 1050K over a week. No brainer. 2) Casual dude plays 1st day and earns 100K. So still missing 50K to reach cap. => Those 50K gets into a SP pool minus 10% => 45K Then, casual dudes doesnt play on day 2, 3 and 4. => Sp pool is then 45k + ((150*3)*0.1) => 450K => Finally, casual dude decides to play hard on day 5. So he's got 600K SP he can earn. Diminishing return is tweaked according to total SP pool available, obviously with a maximum SP left untouched (no way that guy could earn 200K SP in one game) but with a slower dimishing returns. In the end, guy earns 400K SP of the 600K total SP pool. 200K leftover. => He plays on last day quite a bit. total pool is 150K+(200 *0.1) = 330K. He gets 100K SP
Overall, casual dude with one long session, and two shorter earns a total of 600K. But could have earn more even without playing for 3 days during the week.
Obviously, at the end of the said week, SP pool is emptied.
Just thoughts. would obviously need more math and thinking |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:11:00 -
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Updates : We're still on a weekly cap.
Just heard back from Bendtner92 who just got 5k SP for a 1300 WP first game today.
Yay, long live the weekly cap |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:38:00 -
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bump - so what gives? they lied about daily cap? And what would be the daily SP cap if it is there? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:59:00 -
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Something is going on but it's not the old weekly cap. I think the most SP I've gotten from a match since the cap was "reset" was maybe 7k and that was with probably 1500 WP. Things had already started slowing way down by the time I hit 100k. |
DEADPOOL5241
Doomheim
212
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:03:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Updates : We're still on a weekly cap. Just heard back from Bendtner92 who just got 5k SP for a 1300 WP first game today. Yay, long live the weekly cap
Update.. no we are not. See Daily SP cap now.. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:08:00 -
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On a weekly cap still....still earning less than 5000 skill points |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
219
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:27:00 -
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I like Cazaderon's idea above ^ I think this is what I've seen before and agreed with.
But yeah, the daily cap definitely did not reset at DT today, so maybe it's not working properly yet... |
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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:02:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I like Cazaderon's idea above ^ I think this is what I've seen before and agreed with.
But yeah, the daily cap definitely did not reset at DT today, so maybe it's not working properly yet...
Concur and would like to see it presented as something like a meter (similar to stamina meter) that empties when you play and re-fills when you are idle. Where you have a quick visual reference you can check to see where your potential sp pool is at, and your potential earnings.
This makes sense to me for SP because it does seem that you would necessarily get diminishing returns on practicing a skill the more you worked on it without stopping. Cross training and rest are important.
Also would like to see a third reward (beyond ISK, and SP) for full time hardcore players that does not have diminishing returns. Something like Core points that could be redeemed for items, badges, etc. It could be more of a vanity reward (but would also reflect well on your character when other players were looking at your record) and would not make your character more powerful or advanced vs. other players who do not have as much time to grind.
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Maffia- Thug
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:23:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Something is going on but it's not the old weekly cap. I think the most SP I've gotten from a match since the cap was "reset" was maybe 7k and that was with probably 1500 WP. Things had already started slowing way down by the time I hit 100k.
I haven't played today. But I played last night and the night before and I was earning around 10K to 18K per match and I was no where near 1000WP's. So I don't know if I am doing something different than the rest of everyone but that is how it has been going for me. |
1CLIP 1KILL
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:35:00 -
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After playing a lot, it appears as though CCP lowered the old weekly cap and put in a daily cap.
My first impression is that:
Weekly cap is possibly 300,000 to 400,000 SP Daily cap is possibly 25,000 to 50,000 SP
Rough estimates, as only one day of testing :p.
But hopefully it will help some players and alleviate some worries from others.
Yesterday morning I was getting well over 20k SP/match, now I'm hitting around 5k-ish. I haven't been able to completely fix the difference between today and yesterday as match results/WP were fairly different. I'm attempting to get my SP gain under 1k, and I'll compare the difference between that and what I gain the next day.
I noticed that a dev/gm combined threads into this one, so I won't make a new thread for it, but it'd be nice if people could help in testing. If we get a bunch of peeps writing down the difference in totals between resets it will help pinpoint the cap.
EDIT: There is no daily cap. It's still weekly, but it feels like they lowered how much you can earn per week. |
1CLIP 1KILL
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:47:00 -
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Also, in support of the new changes, the old system was terrible for new players. The older players would always have an advantage that could never be matched/overcome. All you had to do was log on to battles with your corp for two days and you'd be set.
The daily cap is not meant to be hit every day by every player. This allows newer players to devote more time to become closer to the older players, and the weekly cap will make it so older players do not have to play every day to keep up with the newer ones.
On average, someone who plays a game all the time will be better at that game than someone who does not. You'd don't "generate" skill by not playing a game. I don't see the new system as too unfair and IMBA if there is a large weekly cap with a smaller daily one. It just means less alts :>. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.12.20 20:41:00 -
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am wondering what the final SP cap will be on launch.. is the daily cap just accelerated SP for testing purposes? |
Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
174
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:02:00 -
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So because not everyone can play all night or all day, others have to suffer and get lower sp? So basically instead of the person working out everyday getting stronger hes not allowed to gain muscle because hed be able to punch out all the nerds that are too lazy to go work out? Yea, thats fair. We went from survival of the fittest to "hold on wait for the others."
When the hell did war become welfare based? Thats irritating that my growth gets halted because you cant play as much as i do. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
219
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:05:00 -
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1CLIP 1KILL wrote:Weekly cap is possibly 300,000 to 400,000 SP Daily cap is possibly 25,000 to 50,000 SP
These are definitely wrong estimates - at least with the daily cap. In fact yesterday alone I earned around 200k or maybe more at around 15k - 20k per match. Today however I was only earning around 5k per match with similar WP earnings.
This is also the first I have heard about both a weekly and daily cap being in place. Does anyone have any word from the devs to confirm that both are in place? |
DEADPOOL5241
Doomheim
212
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:09:00 -
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Tzaar Bomba wrote:So because not everyone can play all night or all day, others have to suffer and get lower sp? So basically instead of the person working out everyday getting stronger hes not allowed to gain muscle because hed be able to punch out all the nerds that are too lazy to go work out? Yea, thats fair. We went from survival of the fittest to "hold on wait for the others."
When the hell did war become welfare based? Thats irritating that my growth gets halted because you cant play as much as i do.
I'm sorry but most of us are adults that have lives, kids, families and oh yeah JOBS. Get one and then tell me you feel the same. Get a life and not a 1 up in a game. |
Dino Malice
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:11:00 -
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3 day cycle.everyone happy |
Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
174
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:22:00 -
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Have a job bro. And friends, must be my work hours. 40 a week you must be at around 70 or so. My bad. And again im sorry you cant play more but not my fault, i shouldnt be suffering for your weakness. |
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Pent'noir
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:53:00 -
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1CLIP 1KILL wrote:After playing a lot, it appears as though CCP lowered the old weekly cap and put in a daily cap.
I noticed that a dev/gm combined threads into this one, so I won't make a new thread for it, but it'd be nice if people could help in testing. If we get a bunch of peeps writing down the difference in totals between resets it will help pinpoint the cap.
I was interested in what the last curve looked like, but now i'm really interested. I'll start keeping track with you. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:01:00 -
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Dino Malice wrote:3 day cycle.everyone angry Fixed.
That would get pretty much the maximum amount of disadvantage from each extreme with a minimum of benefits to help balance it out. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:09:00 -
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It doesn't seem like they've done anything with it. I played alot yesterday and only saw diminishing returns just like on the weekly cap.
I logged in today and basically picked up where I left off Sp making wise, doesn't seem like anything has changed, still on weekly.
A CCP description of what they did would be benficial and cease alot of these type posts/conjecturing.
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jpmannu
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
13
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:24:00 -
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CCP PLEASE JUST STATE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, TO BE CLEAR ONCE FOR ALL. THANK U |
1CLIP 1KILL
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:31:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:It doesn't seem like they've done anything with it. I played alot yesterday and only saw diminishing returns just like on the weekly cap.
Yah, no daily cap. It feels kind of like they actually lowered the weekly cap too. |
RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:18:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:1CLIP 1KILL wrote:Weekly cap is possibly 300,000 to 400,000 SP Daily cap is possibly 25,000 to 50,000 SP These are definitely wrong estimates - at least with the daily cap. In fact yesterday alone I earned around 200k or maybe more at around 15k - 20k per match. Today however I was only earning around 5k per match with similar WP earnings. This is also the first I have heard about both a weekly and daily cap being in place. Does anyone have any word from the devs to confirm that both are in place?
This is basically what I have experienced for this week. After normal SP reset I was receiving massive SP gains all the way up to about 200k. Now Im approaching 300k and getting about 500 or 1000 if I get lucky and do pretty good during a game. So it definately appears on my end that we are on a weekly cap and that the cap is about 300k. Im not sure where the old estimate of 500k came from, but it was either wrong or was changed for Chromosome. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:21:00 -
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ive got a good one, lets not have a cap at all if people get too overpowered, OH well their good at this game. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.22 17:23:00 -
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The SP Cap is currently working as intended in the Chromosome Build and as stated in the patch notes.
I cannot divulge exact details on how SP Rewards are calculated but the above is definitely in effect and should help clear all the speculations. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.22 17:34:00 -
[39] - Quote
GM Vegas wrote:The SP Cap is currently working as intended in the Chromosome Build and as stated in the patch notes.
I cannot divulge exact details on how SP Rewards are calculated but the above is definitely in effect and should help clear all the speculations.
Maybe someone can get around to explaining why we aren't allowed to know the details of the SP system? This "daily" cap is a lot like weekly SP so far. |
RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.22 17:52:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:The SP Cap is currently working as intended in the Chromosome Build and as stated in the patch notes.
I cannot divulge exact details on how SP Rewards are calculated but the above is definitely in effect and should help clear all the speculations.
Nothing I have posted is speculation, it is fact. After a quick look over the Chromosome patch notes I see no mention of the SP system or any changes to the SP system either. |
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Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
145
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Posted - 2012.12.22 18:34:00 -
[41] - Quote
First match today 1000wp's 253sp + 126sp from booster so the SP cap might be reset daily but still effected by diminishing return's maybe? that's just speculation on my part but if true what's the point of a daily sp cap reset if diminishing return's make that reset moot |
jpmannu
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
13
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Posted - 2012.12.22 18:37:00 -
[42] - Quote
GM Vegas wrote:The SP Cap is currently working as intended in the Chromosome Build and as stated in the patch notes.
I cannot divulge exact details on how SP Rewards are calculated but the above is definitely in effect and should help clear all the speculations.
Sorry but I dont think that's correct, today's cap wasn't reset at all. This morning average game I was earning 100/150 (onehundred, without the "K"), afternoon after daily DT average game earned me 56 SP (fiftysix I said). I'm playing NFS now.
...maybe the right reset will take place after the Asian game show ends ...I dont know...just a theory |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.12.22 19:04:00 -
[43] - Quote
If this SP cap is working as intended then its BROKE.
Until this gets sorted out why would anyone invest in new SP boosters? Why Do you CCP need to make this some sorta secret?
I enjoy the SP chase as much as the game itself and I was hoping to want to buy some more skill boosters and merc pacs but honestly they are a waste of aurum. The cap is still weekly I see no change except it pays out in slower increments.
The simple answer to this problem is to have a floating Hard SP cap that increases each week so the game has a set SP pace.
Every one who gets in the game can grind till they hit the Hard SP cap, giving the new players an incintive to catch up, while allowing the hard core gamers to even take a week off here and there and grind back to the hard SP cap.
I think this would be an easy way to solve this crazy problem. I don't see to many drawbacks. The game can stay on your 7-10 year SP pace to Max skills, while allowing a carrot for new players that if they do well a chance to catch up.
At the current system you miss a week of SP you can never get it back seperating the have from the have nots even more. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
145
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Posted - 2012.12.22 19:16:00 -
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Second match 1405 wp 328sp + 164sp w/booster so if there is a sp cap no way am i going to even get close to hitting it so as my previous post suggest's diminishing return's may be in effect Can CCP comment on this I don't need the can't divulge how SP is calculated answer |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.12.22 20:58:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:If this SP cap is working as intended then its BROKE.
Until this gets sorted out why would anyone invest in new SP boosters? Why Do you CCP need to make this some sorta secret?
I enjoy the SP chase as much as the game itself and I was hoping to want to buy some more skill boosters and merc pacs but honestly they are a waste of aurum. The cap is still weekly I see no change except it pays out in slower increments.
The simple answer to this problem is to have a floating Hard SP cap that increases each week so the game has a set SP pace.
Every one who gets in the game can grind till they hit the Hard SP cap, giving the new players an incintive to catch up, while allowing the hard core gamers to even take a week off here and there and grind back to the hard SP cap.
I think this would be an easy way to solve this crazy problem. I don't see to many drawbacks. The game can stay on your 7-10 year SP pace to Max skills, while allowing a carrot for new players that if they do well a chance to catch up.
At the current system you miss a week of SP you can never get it back seperating the have from the have nots even more. Passive SP boost... |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.22 21:06:00 -
[46] - Quote
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: We do plan to improve the SP cap system with future iterations that will be more sophisticated than the current daily SP cap. Thanks for all the suggestions and time spent in testing this system. The difference in opinon on whether a weekly or daily SP cap seems to be based on player preference and play style, and we will find a system that can best accomodate both and retain balance.
The above being posted a day or so ago in the below thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47831&p=6
The current system is not for definate and we are still looking at way to keep a fair balance between players as stated above. |
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Vane Arcadia
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
115
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Posted - 2012.12.22 21:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
One of the biggest issues with Eve is that if you start now you can never catch up. This is a bar to many new players joining (I know this for a fact from the many gaming buddies I was unable to persuade to play Eve).
There is an opportunity in Dust to make sure this is not an issue.
If there is an SP cap which moves forward each day/week/month whatever which does not reset then new players could play with full SP until they reach the cap. This way there is always the chance for a player to dig in and grind their way to parity.
It also means you could level an alt quickly to be useful as well.
In addition it means if you don't play for a few days you can catch up.
It also accommodate those that play hard in short bursts and those that play steady.
I suspect this is not what we will see, but I really wish it was. |
RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:11:00 -
[48] - Quote
Vane Arcadia wrote:One of the biggest issues with Eve is that if you start now you can never catch up. This is a bar to many new players joining (I know this for a fact from the many gaming buddies I was unable to persuade to play Eve).
There is an opportunity in Dust to make sure this is not an issue.
If there is an SP cap which moves forward each day/week/month whatever which does not reset then new players could play with full SP until they reach the cap. This way there is always the chance for a player to dig in and grind their way to parity.
It also means you could level an alt quickly to be useful as well.
In addition it means if you don't play for a few days you can catch up.
It also accommodate those that play hard in short bursts and those that play steady.
I suspect this is not what we will see, but I really wish it was.
I really like this idea. Its main downfall is the people that have been playing longer will say that its unfair for them to have played for X amount of time and some Joe Blow no-lifer now is equal to them in a tenth of the time. Which really brings us to the main issue of this whole topic: you cant make everyone happy. So they should just do whats best for the game and I feel like in the big picture overall, providing a way to make everyone equal as long as they earn it would be best for the game.
For example, I know that HowDidThatTaste has a really awesome HMG build. If I were to have the exact same skill points and the exact same fit that doesnt mean I have the personal skills to wield the fitting as effectively as he does. So I dont feel that giving younger players a way to catch up in SP is unfair. But like you said, we will probably never see it. |
Legionay
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
GM Vegas wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: We do plan to improve the SP cap system with future iterations that will be more sophisticated than the current daily SP cap. Thanks for all the suggestions and time spent in testing this system. The difference in opinon on whether a weekly or daily SP cap seems to be based on player preference and play style, and we will find a system that can best accomodate both and retain balance.
The above being posted a day or so ago in the below thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47831&p=6The current system is not for definate and we are still looking at way to keep a fair balance between players as stated above.
Dafuk? I doesn't feel like a daily cap & reset. |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:22:00 -
[50] - Quote
There's no way that it's a daily cap. I was making 20k sp a game yesterday morning... this afternoon (see... more than 24 hours later and different day) am making 2k sp a game.
It's not resetting if it's supposed to be a daily cap. |
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jpmannu
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
13
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Posted - 2012.12.23 13:55:00 -
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The cap hasn't been reset today as well as yesterday, first ambush match after DT 750WP 7/5KD and only 26SP (Twentysix skill points, that's annoying and frustrating).... back on NFS....bye bye Dust. |
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Doomheim
8
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Posted - 2012.12.24 02:30:00 -
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Have been getting under 50sp per game today *rollseyes* |
Raxsus1
Doomheim
42
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:29:00 -
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Vane Arcadia wrote:One of the biggest issues with Eve is that if you start now you can never catch up. This is a bar to many new players joining (I know this for a fact from the many gaming buddies I was unable to persuade to play Eve).
There is an opportunity in Dust to make sure this is not an issue.
If there is an SP cap which moves forward each day/week/month whatever which does not reset then new players could play with full SP until they reach the cap. This way there is always the chance for a player to dig in and grind their way to parity.
It also means you could level an alt quickly to be useful as well.
In addition it means if you don't play for a few days you can catch up.
It also accommodate those that play hard in short bursts and those that play steady.
I suspect this is not what we will see, but I really wish it was.
Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
Raxsus1 wrote:Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap Yes, because the SP cap isn't meant to be part of the game, and doesn't need to be balanced appropriately before the game's release. |
Raxsus1
Doomheim
42
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:45:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap Yes, because the SP cap isn't meant to be part of the game, and doesn't need to be balanced appropriately before the game's release.
Yes it does need to be balanced and tested, but not at this time. The 1st priority should be to test weapons, equipment, gameplay mechanics, and things of that nature for anything that should be buffed or nerfed or fixed. The SP system should be one of the last things tested, because that gets in the way of testing everything else. |
Kasshern s Chrome
SyNergy Gaming
47
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:11:00 -
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honestly CCP you make it somewhat not worth it to play when you give us so little points im literally hitting the hundreds by the second or third day so where you could have me stuck for a straight week you got me on for about 2 days then i feel unaccomplished by the lack of sp with my output of WP and other things..
I shouldnt be getting 36-2 566k isk and only 150 sp really??? that seems so pointless, because other mercs dont play as much you shouldnt be punishing the hardcore... this is a MMO fantasy world doesnt stop just because a few mercs arent on or there at all times.. for role playing purposes a soldier who spends more time on the field would obviously be at a advantage and more knowledgable of the world hence why our skill would be at a better level..
and if you persist with a weekly sp cap i think it should be raised substantially how does it make sense for me to get 400k-600k sp when half the gear to be somewhat decent cost about that much and that only one book... just think about your logic guys your doing something great but your gonna lose players just from the aggravation of the reward system,GG on the ISK but come on with sp |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:15:00 -
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Raxsus1 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap Yes, because the SP cap isn't meant to be part of the game, and doesn't need to be balanced appropriately before the game's release. Yes it does need to be balanced and tested, but not at this time. The 1st priority should be to test weapons, equipment, gameplay mechanics, and things of that nature for anything that should be buffed or nerfed or fixed. The SP system should be one of the last things tested, because that gets in the way of testing everything else. Does anybody publish or guess the daily/weekly SP cap? I have searched and there only seems to be something.
It is beyond frustration to waste a day's play while getting mostly nothing for it. Then switch characters and voila! SP once again. If I knew what the numbers were and when the reset was I would just quit wasting time. My pilot needs something on the order of 800k SP. But to survive until then I am having to burn down another 200K and then the match pays out 3K SP with a bonus.
The reason I quoted Raxsus1 is how can I even get near testing good ships when SP is dribbled out with no chance of reset. If I could reset then my 2.5M SP character could be a pilot. But that is not who I want to be the pilot.
/rant
If anyone knows please give me a clue. I'll even login to the clue server. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Def not a daily reset CCP
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Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:21:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:Def not a daily reset CCP
Thanks ... from Thranx. That came out funnier then I thought it would.
Does that mean a daily (oops weekle!) SP cap? Because one char was getting 2-3K in similar matches and I restarted with Thranx1231 and he is getting 9-10K without a booster. |
Kasshern s Chrome
SyNergy Gaming
47
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
Thranx1231 wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Def not a daily reset CCP
Thanks ... from Thranx. That came out funnier then I thought it would. Does that mean a daily (oops weekle!) SP cap? Because one char was getting 2-3K in similar matches and I restarted with Thranx1231 and he is getting 9-10K without a booster. well ofcourse, two characters dont share the same sp cap its seperate per clone |
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Raxsus1
Doomheim
42
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:51:00 -
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Thranx1231 wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap Yes, because the SP cap isn't meant to be part of the game, and doesn't need to be balanced appropriately before the game's release. Yes it does need to be balanced and tested, but not at this time. The 1st priority should be to test weapons, equipment, gameplay mechanics, and things of that nature for anything that should be buffed or nerfed or fixed. The SP system should be one of the last things tested, because that gets in the way of testing everything else. Does anybody publish or guess the daily/weekly SP cap? I have searched and there only seems to be something. It is beyond frustration to waste a day's play while getting mostly nothing for it. Then switch characters and voila! SP once again. If I knew what the numbers were and when the reset was I would just quit wasting time. My pilot needs something on the order of 800k SP. But to survive until then I am having to burn down another 200K and then the match pays out 3K SP with a bonus. The reason I quoted Raxsus1 is how can I even get near testing good ships when SP is dribbled out with no chance of reset. If I could reset then my 2.5M SP character could be a pilot. But that is not who I want to be the pilot. /rant If anyone knows please give me a clue. I'll even login to the clue server.
The SP cap is around 500,000-600,000 a week I belive. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2012.12.24 15:50:00 -
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I have to echo the chorus of thou does not feel like daily cap. First day of the build matches started with 20,000 SP and there was a normal diminishing return. There was similar lower 1000 SP throughout the week, as I saw with weekly cap. Saturday I didn't play at all. Sunday my first through to end games I received nothing higher than 450 SP.
I would not expect to see my first game in 2 days getting less than 500 SP. |
Trevor K
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.12.24 16:32:00 -
[63] - Quote
Been getting close to 2000 SP, with a booster, for the last 2 or 3 days now. Sucks, as I bought a 7 day booster which is worthless now. Anyone know when it resets? No point in playing with these payouts. |
RECON BY FIRE
BetaMax.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
Raxsus1 wrote:Thranx1231 wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Maybe in The full game release or Open Beta, but not during closed beta when we are supposed to be testing things. as of right now there should be no cap Yes, because the SP cap isn't meant to be part of the game, and doesn't need to be balanced appropriately before the game's release. Yes it does need to be balanced and tested, but not at this time. The 1st priority should be to test weapons, equipment, gameplay mechanics, and things of that nature for anything that should be buffed or nerfed or fixed. The SP system should be one of the last things tested, because that gets in the way of testing everything else. Does anybody publish or guess the daily/weekly SP cap? I have searched and there only seems to be something. It is beyond frustration to waste a day's play while getting mostly nothing for it. Then switch characters and voila! SP once again. If I knew what the numbers were and when the reset was I would just quit wasting time. My pilot needs something on the order of 800k SP. But to survive until then I am having to burn down another 200K and then the match pays out 3K SP with a bonus. The reason I quoted Raxsus1 is how can I even get near testing good ships when SP is dribbled out with no chance of reset. If I could reset then my 2.5M SP character could be a pilot. But that is not who I want to be the pilot. /rant If anyone knows please give me a clue. I'll even login to the clue server. The SP cap is around 500,000-600,000 a week I belive.
Without any sort of passive SP or boosters the cap appears to be 300,000 actually. It may have been higher before Chromosome, but that seems to be what we will be getting now. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.12.25 04:14:00 -
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Maybe there is a weekly cap, but you get a boost towards it every day. Like a falling off graph with little peaks. |
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