DUST Search - Militia Forge Guns

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Roldrage wrote:

Pent'noir wrote:

Roldrage wrote:

This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes.

I took reduced activation time as the a reduced cooldown and active duration as the time its actually on. Maybe it was more than one person writing the notes so they didn't use the same wording and i'm just thinking about it all wrong.

Vehicles:
*Reduced activation time for all armor and shield repairs as well as the remote repair modules
*Increased active duration of active heat sink

Anyone want to dispel the confusion here? I've reread it and from what I understand now it'll take less time between activating it and seeing the first pulse but those pulses will be spread out over a longer period of time, which is effectively a nerf. Is that what this means?

Either means that they fine-tuned it to work whenever you trigger it or they reduced the time between the pulses.

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Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:58:00 - [1] - Quote Could the new militia Forge Gun mean the death of all vehicles when combined with the BPO Heavy suit, especiallyif it gets a BPO of its own? Or would it just make it easier to try out without spending huge sums of SP? What will happen?
Vermaak Kuvakei Doomheim 88	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:08:00 - [2] - Quote Is the militia ar the death of all assaults? Answer that honestly and you'll know
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:14:00 - [3] - Quote I'm asking about what might happen with the ability for anyone near a supply depot to pull out a free forge gun fit like they do with swarms today. Right now forge gunners are fairly rare. In the future hat may change dramatically. Even if the militia version is weak, it may make finding the guy running proto more difficult. I'm not saying what will happen, I'm asking.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:15:00 - [4] - Quote It would mean tankers asking for a buff again
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:17:00 - [5] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: It would mean tankers asking for a buff again Why cause there is a cheap forge gun available? Did you see all of the extras tankers just got.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 897	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:29:00 - [6] - Quote I like that forge guns are rare, and I'm not looking forward to a flood of forge guns. Hopefully the militia one is pretty terrible.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:32:00 - [7] - Quote Currently most Milita gear match meta 1 gear but with higher cpu pg usage.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:35:00 - [8] - Quote Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots
Renato Crusher Bragian Order Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:36:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Currently most Milita gear match meta 1 gear but with higher cpu pg usage. The militia Swarm Launcher has a smaller clip size, I expect the militia FG will have the same.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:37:00 - [10] - Quote slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots Lol. Damn you. Oh by the way militia forge guns are OP!

slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:52:00 - [11] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots Lol. Damn you. Oh by the way militia forge guns are OP! Lol. You know I only do it to keep you damn heavies off my back and militia forge guns are totally OP I just wanna know what changes my rolling death machine might have gotten the patch notes are kinda vague.
Dissonant Zan 157	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:54:00 - [12] - Quote Militia forge guns should have a 15% chance of back firing, cheap pieces of ****
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:26:00 - [13] - Quote I welcome the extra help as tanks will soon be harder to kill. Although, i'm guessing that unless they already do a lot of av work and have sp put into heavy sharpshooting and forgegun, they will just end up as cannon fodder. Atleast, it will be cheapish cannon fodder and they can experiment with it.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:32:00 - [14] - Quote This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:41:00 - [15] - Quote Roldrage wrote: This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes. I took reduced activation time as the a reduced cooldown and active duration as the time its actually on. Maybe it was more than one person writing the notes so they didn't use the same wording and i'm just thinking about it all wrong.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:42:00 - [16] - Quote Saw this coming from a mile away with the Plasma Cannon addition but - seriously a militia forge gun? I find joy in the incoming threadnaughts about how it should be removed xD However, to be completely serious, I think the ISK reward increases will show us a new boost in the amount of tankers we see on a daily basis. We'll have to wait and see.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.12.17 10:50:00 - [17] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: Roldrage wrote: This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes. I took reduced activation time as the a reduced cooldown and active duration as the time its actually on. Maybe it was more than one person writing the notes so they didn't use the same wording and i'm just thinking about it all wrong. Vehicles: Reduced activation time for all armor and shield repairs as well as the remote repair modules Increased active duration of active heat sink Anyone want to dispel the confusion here? I've reread it and from what I understand now it'll take less time between activating it and seeing the first pulse but those pulses will be spread out over a longer period of time, which is effectively a nerf. Is that what this means?
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:10:00 - [18] - Quote Roldrage wrote: Pent'noir wrote: Roldrage wrote: This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes. I took reduced activation time as the a reduced cooldown and active duration as the time its actually on. Maybe it was more than one person writing the notes so they didn't use the same wording and i'm just thinking about it all wrong. Vehicles: Reduced activation time for all armor and shield repairs as well as the remote repair modules Increased active duration of active heat sink Anyone want to dispel the confusion here? I've reread it and from what I understand now it'll take less time between activating it and seeing the first pulse but those pulses will be spread out over a longer period of time, which is effectively a nerf. Is that what this means? Either means that they fine-tuned it to work whenever you trigger it or they reduced the time between the pulses.
NovaShadowStorm The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:19:00 - [19] - Quote I think it'll be interesting for the first few days then die down, people will experiment then stop after getting killed alot, forge guns are cool but more often than not you'll get gunned down before you can accurately hit a player with one. Splash does a fair deal of damage but unless you hit dead on you won't kill anyone in 1 hit along with the fact they have no zoom to them making distant objects even harder to hit, just keep vehicles away from them, send in the infantry first then you'll be all good.
Bane Nrahk Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:24:00 - [20] - Quote slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots No one Like you.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.17 12:12:00 - [21] - Quote Militia ARs and SMGs also have smaller magazines than the Standard versions. With Swarm Launchers, there's a solid precedent to do the same to Forge Guns. Also, they could have even longer charge times. And that's without mentioning that you can only get a "free" Swarm fitting using the Starter Fit, there's no Militia Swarm Launcher blueprint. It's possible Forge Guns won't have a blueprint version either.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.17 12:59:00 - [22] - Quote We have milita swarms which are annoying because all swarms are broken against HAVs and are godlike no matter what lvl they are So anyone can pull out milita swarm as it is and do enough to annoy you and run reppers Now the same has happened to the forge gun which im not suprised tbh Either way its means that ppl now have a choice of what AV to use and possibly dont even have to skill it up if they dont want even tho they only have to skill up to assault forge to take on a tank anyways We will see and yes all supply depots must die straight away
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.12.17 13:04:00 - [23] - Quote Skihids wrote: Could the new militia Forge Gun mean the death of all vehicles when combined with the BPO Heavy suit, especiallyif it gets a BPO of its own? Or would it just make it easier to try out without spending huge sums of SP? What will happen? Correction, death of all militia vehicles. Better start upgrading my LAVs -.-
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.12.17 13:35:00 - [24] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Skihids wrote: Could the new militia Forge Gun mean the death of all vehicles when combined with the BPO Heavy suit, especiallyif it gets a BPO of its own? Or would it just make it easier to try out without spending huge sums of SP? What will happen? Correction, death of all militia vehicles. Better start upgrading my LAVs -.- I'm in somewhat of agreement here, militia just means there's no need to roll forge as everyone can join together to take out a tank. guess we'll need to wait and see
Musta Tornius BetaMax. 265	Posted - 2012.12.17 13:37:00 - [25] - Quote Not to mention them poor drop ship pilots, guess they'll have to wait a build or two before bringing them out again :)
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.17 13:43:00 - [26] - Quote I like this... It means I can actually go AV without breaking the bank every inevitable death. I don't see how it will hurt the game when EVERY OTHER weapon has a militia version.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.17 13:57:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Roldrage wrote: Pent'noir wrote: Roldrage wrote: This isn't going to bode well for LAVs is it? Militia forge guns and reduced shield booster times are going to kill LAVs unless there's something I'm missing in the notes. I took reduced activation time as the a reduced cooldown and active duration as the time its actually on. Maybe it was more than one person writing the notes so they didn't use the same wording and i'm just thinking about it all wrong. Vehicles: Reduced activation time for all armor and shield repairs as well as the remote repair modules Increased active duration of active heat sink Anyone want to dispel the confusion here? I've reread it and from what I understand now it'll take less time between activating it and seeing the first pulse but those pulses will be spread out over a longer period of time, which is effectively a nerf. Is that what this means? Either means that they fine-tuned it to work whenever you trigger it or they reduced the time between the pulses. Or it is active for a shorter time duration due to having fewer pulses. This could be a buff OR a nerf. Too vague to say.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.17 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots Easy points, like it.
NovaShadowStorm The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2012.12.17 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: We have milita swarms which are annoying because all swarms are broken against HAVs and are godlike no matter what lvl they are So anyone can pull out milita swarm as it is and do enough to annoy you and run reppers Now the same has happened to the forge gun which im not suprised tbh Either way its means that ppl now have a choice of what AV to use and possibly dont even have to skill it up if they dont want even tho they only have to skill up to assault forge to take on a tank anyways We will see and yes all supply depots must die straight away I'll have to disagree there on malitia AV gear I've seen tanks steamroll so many AV infantry, had a guy go 28/1 in a freaking Soma his tanking skills were just insane and he knew when to retreat, he'd kill you in 2 seconds flat and used cover well to avoid swarms for the most art unless you got too close to him at which point you'd already be dead from his blaster. Tanks are bloody hard to kill unless the entire or majority of the team is hunting the 1 tank, avoiding infantry, LAV's trying to run us over and the tank's guns themselves against a really strong tank build malitia gear deals so very little damage unless once again in large groups, in which case if you're trying to take them all alone you're an idiot, call in the reinforcements
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.17 17:42:00 - [30] - Quote Anyone see any indication of a Heavy Starter Fit? They still look like they're all Assaults to me. If they plan to keep it that way, we're probably NOT getting a free Forge. They might not even give us a blueprint version - they haven't got one for Swarm Launchers. So it probably won't be "free" even if you're throwing money at CCP to try and get one.

DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2012.12.17 17:44:00 - [31] - Quote Unless dropships got a nice buff to CPU / PG, this could very well be the final nail in the coffin, and there's been quite a few nails already >_<
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.17 17:59:00 - [32] - Quote I'm sure CCP just wants more data on forges and all the way players would use it. But that said - it better get taken out for open beta. Not liking the idea anyone who just joined the game can 1 shot my suit that costs me well over 400,000 ISK
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:02:00 - [33] - Quote slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots Man I hate destroying supply depots but with this BS going I have to destroy them.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:04:00 - [34] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: slap26 wrote: Just more of a reason for me to blow up them damn supply depots Man I hate destroying supply depots but with this BS going I have to destroy them. How dare you steal my portrait! O.o
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:30:00 - [35] - Quote Militia Forge gun. It's about time.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 311	Posted - 2012.12.17 19:05:00 - [36] - Quote I really think that there should be a militia variant of all weapons. The militia gear is mostly good for trying different fittings before investing lots of SP and ISK on something you don't like. I bought into heavy suit and forge gun training to try it out and found that I didn't enjoy playing that class or using that gun, so a ton of energy wasted. Fine for beta testing, but would be a bummer for regular gamers. Also a standard forge gun is what 17k? So a militia version will probably sell for over over 8k. I think we will see a surge of people trying them out and then only a small increase in players using them regularly or skilling into them proper.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.17 19:16:00 - [37] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: I really think that there should be a militia variant of all weapons. The militia gear is mostly good for trying different fittings before investing lots of SP and ISK on something you don't like. I bought into heavy suit and forge gun training to try it out and found that I didn't enjoy playing that class or using that gun, so a ton of energy wasted. Fine for beta testing, but would be a bummer for regular gamers. Also a standard forge gun is what 17k? So a militia version will probably sell for over over 8k. I think we will see a surge of people trying them out and then only a small increase in players using them regularly or skilling into them proper. Make a new toon, experiment with the 500,000 SP you're given, decide what you like and don't. Then delete, rinse and repeat.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.17 19:18:00 - [38] - Quote I'm definately going to try them out now that I can do so without investing any SP. Given the Heavy BPO the only expense will be the gun itself. It may be CCP's way to encourage its use. Of course it gives cheap sticks to people with which to take whacks at dropship shaped pintas, not that there are many to be found at this point. It would require a dramatic increase in HP (either native or via increased PG/CPU) to counter balance all those new sticks, and they are currently too fragile as it is.
Finn Kempers BetaMax. 222	Posted - 2012.12.17 19:28:00 - [39] - Quote I bet it will only carry 1 round per clip :P


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