DUST Search - I think the MCCs are a tad OP.

ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:

Skihids wrote:

ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:

Skihids wrote:

It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match.

That is something I thought of, but once the...lesser skilled players figure out that keeping it in the same place, even behind the red-line, is not the best course of action, they will begin to last MANY games.

Perhaps it would be best to wait for this to happen to propose balance changes?

We could, but it might be a good idea to propose a multiple player requirement for it. Perhaps one commander, one pilot and a couple gunners to start.

I like the way you think.

I just thought of a problem. Once they learn to fly an MCC, what is stopping them from just ramming the enemy MCC?

Should their MMC do damage? Automatically blow up and lose them the game? Do absolutely nothing but bump them around?

This may be more problematic than I had feared.

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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:16:00 - [1] - Quote I die in one direct hit from forge guns and rail guns. They can't even be hurt by forge guns or rail guns. They can take multiple hits from NULL cannons. I bet if I got hit by a Null Cannon I wouldn't be left alive. They have so much shielding and armor as to tank sustained NULL cannon fire. Once the noobs stop leaving them floating in the same spot all match, they'll be crazy OP. I mean it takes NO skill. In every Skirmish I've ever been in. There is always ONE guy on both teams who has an MCC fitted with a CRU, no doubt kicking back and enjoying all the WP received for the spawn-ins they get. I think a nerf is in order. Any suggestions?
Dante Dragonsguard Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 22	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:21:00 - [2] - Quote >.> I hope...no I pray that your joking.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:24:00 - [3] - Quote Dante Dragonsguard wrote: >.> I hope...no I pray that your joking. You should probably get better at forums then.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote I was just thinking the same thing , fkn OP MCC. Thinks it's all bad ass just sitting there over us, not even having to dodge swarm fire absorbing blow after blow -_-
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:48:00 - [5] - Quote That damn MCC
WhatszGudDawg ZionTCD Legacy Rising 48	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:53:00 - [6] - Quote I'm not sure about this. You want your MCC to last for a while. The longer it's around the greater a chance you have to try and re-hack the NULL cannons to win the match. If the ships armor and shields were reduced, you'd have less time to save yourself. Skirmish is all about a long struggle, a back and forth battle to the bitter end. You need time to try and win, and the MCC will give you some time.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.12.08 18:55:00 - [7] - Quote WhatszGudDawg wrote: I'm not sure about this. You want your MCC to last for a while. The longer it's around the greater a chance you have to try and re-hack the NULL cannons to win the match. If the ships armor and shields were reduced, you'd have less time to save yourself. Skirmish is all about a long struggle, a back and forth battle to the bitter end. You need time to try and win, and the MCC will give you some time. HEY NOW! we don't want any logic in this thread -_-
WhatszGudDawg ZionTCD Legacy Rising 48	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote Logic makes the world beautiful place!
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:05:00 - [9] - Quote It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote I bet that if I managed to fly a dropship up to the level of the crossfire between MCCs, the dropship would be OHKed. CCP: please nerf MCCs to an AR can destroy it.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:09:00 - [11] - Quote indeed! the MCC is freaking OP! I tried shooting it with my assault rifle WITH damage mods and it did nothing! wtf?
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: indeed! the MCC is freaking OP! I tried shooting it with my assault rifle WITH damage mods and it did nothing! wtf? lol troll, but anyways, their giant command centers, whens the last time you could destroy a harderned bunker with a 9mm pistol? ONLY IN GMOD. their hardened command centers designed to survive multiple if not redicilous amounts of damage over a battle
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:11:00 - [13] - Quote I borrowed the sagaris that some other guy called in and fired at the MCC with the railgun until the HAV got destroyed- didn't even damage the MCC. Waaaaay too overpowered.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:14:00 - [14] - Quote Skihids wrote: It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match. That is something I thought of, but once the...lesser skilled players figure out that keeping it in the same place, even behind the red-line, is not the best course of action, they will begin to last MANY games. Perhaps it would be best to wait for this to happen to propose balance changes?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:16:00 - [15] - Quote Btw, I wonder if we'll be able to crash MCCs into things (like other MCCs) in the future
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:16:00 - [16] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Skihids wrote: It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match. That is something I thought of, but once the...lesser skilled players figure out that keeping it in the same place, even behind the red-line, is not the best course of action, they will begin to last MANY games. Perhaps it would be best to wait for this to happen to propose balance changes? We could, but it might be a good idea to propose a multiple player requirement for it. Perhaps one commander, one pilot and a couple gunners to start.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:17:00 - [17] - Quote CCP could also give it some knockback from swarm missile. That would keep it from just sitting there in one place all match.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:20:00 - [18] - Quote Skihids wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Skihids wrote: It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match. That is something I thought of, but once the...lesser skilled players figure out that keeping it in the same place, even behind the red-line, is not the best course of action, they will begin to last MANY games. Perhaps it would be best to wait for this to happen to propose balance changes? We could, but it might be a good idea to propose a multiple player requirement for it. Perhaps one commander, one pilot and a couple gunners to start. I like the way you think. I just thought of a problem. Once they learn to fly an MCC, what is stopping them from just ramming the enemy MCC? Should their MMC do damage? Automatically blow up and lose them the game? Do absolutely nothing but bump them around? This may be more problematic than I had feared.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:23:00 - [19] - Quote MCCs are supposed to be able to take fire from much larger things such as Frigates and Destroyers and possibly even battleships as well. Its estimated size is that of a cruiser.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:24:00 - [20] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Skihids wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: Skihids wrote: It's pretty balanced ISK wise. Consider how much that thing costs, and keep in mind that there always seems to be someone who loses one each match. That is something I thought of, but once the...lesser skilled players figure out that keeping it in the same place, even behind the red-line, is not the best course of action, they will begin to last MANY games. Perhaps it would be best to wait for this to happen to propose balance changes? We could, but it might be a good idea to propose a multiple player requirement for it. Perhaps one commander, one pilot and a couple gunners to start. I like the way you think. I just thought of a problem. Once they learn to fly an MCC, what is stopping them from just ramming the enemy MCC? Should their MMC do damage? Automatically blow up and lose them the game? Do absolutely nothing but bump them around? This may be more problematic than I had feared. fookayoosnipaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! KABOOM

Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:24:00 - [21] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I just thought of a problem. Once they learn to fly an MCC, what is stopping them from just ramming the enemy MCC? Should their MMC do damage? Automatically blow up and lose them the game? Do absolutely nothing but bump them around? This may be more problematic than I had feared. The MCC is slow, so It probably just bump slightly into each other.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote We could just limit their movement to the walking speed of a heavy dropsuit. That way infantry could avoid them and it would be difficult to ram one with another.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:33:00 - [23] - Quote ^ To the both of you: Indeed. That takes care of one problem.
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:33:00 - [24] - Quote Just wait until they turn repair points back on. You're gonna have people sitting in the MCC armor repping it to farm WP.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:46:00 - [25] - Quote We probably need to limit them to one per team, otherwise we could see matches spammed by them. I know it's unfair to the people who spec into MCC's, but we do need to maintain some semblance of balance. MCC should probably be a 300x skill too.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote Skihids wrote: We probably need to limit them to one per team, otherwise we could see matches spammed by them. I know it's unfair to the people who spec into MCC's, but we do need to maintain some semblance of balance. MCC should probably be a 300x skill too. 100000x skill and you can only deploy one per match.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.08 20:04:00 - [27] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: Skihids wrote: We probably need to limit them to one per team, otherwise we could see matches spammed by them. I know it's unfair to the people who spec into MCC's, but we do need to maintain some semblance of balance. MCC should probably be a 300x skill too. 100000x skill and you can only deploy one per match. Hmmmm...ok, but would it be your average 5lvl skill? If so, would that require that there be different variations of MCC? It's only a beta, so maybe CCPs got some up their sleeves.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.08 20:24:00 - [28] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: DarkShadowFox wrote: Skihids wrote: We probably need to limit them to one per team, otherwise we could see matches spammed by them. I know it's unfair to the people who spec into MCC's, but we do need to maintain some semblance of balance. MCC should probably be a 300x skill too. 100000x skill and you can only deploy one per match. Hmmmm...ok, but would it be your average 5lvl skill? If so, would that require that there be different variations of MCC? It's only a beta, so maybe CCPs got some up their sleeves. There could be the usual levels and racial variants (I would really like to see what the Minmitar MCC looks like), but I'm against having a militia version. It should require skill to operate.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.08 21:05:00 - [29] - Quote Skihids wrote: We probably need to limit them to one per team, otherwise we could see matches spammed by them. I know it's unfair to the people who spec into MCC's, but we do need to maintain some semblance of balance. MCC should probably be a 300x skill too. On a non-trolling note, I think MCC commanders will actually be fairly rare, and numbers of them won't be a problem in huge areas.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.12.08 21:41:00 - [30] - Quote TROLOLOLOLOL



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