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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:10:00 -
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theres a good solution, so there is no elitism with the Aur guns. that way everyone can afford them, make everything be able to be bought with ISK or aur.
thats not pay to win.
or how about we just remove all aur payments completely, or make all aur guns have the same CPU/ PG requirements your just paying for a different look or something cosmetic, like the dropsuits are. |
7 SHADOW
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:29:00 -
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That's not how free2play works. Microtransactions support the game. Eventually you'll be able to buy aur guns(I think) with ISK but at the mercy of a player whom bought it with aur. |
Kaizer Ishimoura
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:44:00 -
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7 SHADOW wrote:That's not how free2play works. Microtransactions support the game. Eventually you'll be able to buy aur guns(I think) with ISK but at the mercy of a player whom bought it with aur.
well with the aur guns being better and requiring less CPU/PG and you can only buy them with AUR, it sounds pay to win right away cause less CPU/ PG usage means you can fit more modules and etc giving you more of an edge, you see? |
7 SHADOW
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:03:00 -
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Kaizer Ishimoura wrote:7 SHADOW wrote:That's not how free2play works. Microtransactions support the game. Eventually you'll be able to buy aur guns(I think) with ISK but at the mercy of a player whom bought it with aur. well with the aur guns being better and requiring less CPU/PG and you can only buy them with AUR, it sounds pay to win right away cause less CPU/ PG usage means you can fit more modules and etc giving you more of an edge, you see?
You're paying for a slight advantage not a win button. Otherwise there is no incentive to buy aur and CCP doesn't make money. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:04:00 -
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Kaizer Ishimoura wrote:7 SHADOW wrote:That's not how free2play works. Microtransactions support the game. Eventually you'll be able to buy aur guns(I think) with ISK but at the mercy of a player whom bought it with aur. well with the aur guns being better and requiring less CPU/PG and you can only buy them with AUR, it sounds pay to win right away cause less CPU/ PG usage means you can fit more modules and etc giving you more of an edge, you see?
They're not better than ISK items and the two weapons that use less CPU/PG were mistakes that will be fixed at some point. Holy hell CCP needs to add that to the windows that pop up when you log on. I swear to christ if I made a thread about how much I enjoy looking at the back of my female toon while waiting before a match and complimenting CCP on their fine work within 5 seconds of putting it up someone would post on it about those 2 stupid AUR guns. |
Corvus Ravensong
Skyel Industries
Subspace Exploration Agency
179
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:23:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:theres a good solution, so there is no elitism with the Aur guns. that way everyone can afford them, make everything be able to be bought with ISK or aur.
thats not pay to win.
or how about we just remove all aur payments completely, or make all aur guns have the same CPU/ PG requirements your just paying for a different look or something cosmetic, like the dropsuits are.
Already planned. We just have to wait for them to finish teh market and market integration. CCP's stated intent is that the market will work like follows. Player A. has cash, but no ISK. Player B has ISK but no cash. Player A buys Aurum and with aurum buys equipment he then sells to player B for ISK at prices set by the players themselves. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:49:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:theres a good solution, so there is no elitism with the Aur guns. that way everyone can afford them, make everything be able to be bought with ISK or aur.
thats not pay to win.
or how about we just remove all aur payments completely, or make all aur guns have the same CPU/ PG requirements your just paying for a different look or something cosmetic, like the dropsuits are.
Once the player market is brought online all AUR items will be purchasable with ISK. |
Free Beers
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:11:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:theres a good solution, so there is no elitism with the Aur guns. that way everyone can afford them, make everything be able to be bought with ISK or aur.
thats not pay to win.
or how about we just remove all aur payments completely, or make all aur guns have the same CPU/ PG requirements your just paying for a different look or something cosmetic, like the dropsuits are. Once the player market is brought online all AUR items will be purchasable with ISK.
Yes, but be specific and mention AUR items can/will be resold by the players who purchased them with AUR on the market. Not trying to be **** about it but for players that dont know how plex works now in EvE it can be confusing.
So if you want aurum items and only have isk expect to be buying them from other players via market not CCP or SOE |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:18:00 -
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What the OP is saying is that it would change from being able to get things at an earlier skill level than you should, you'll be able to get things much more conveniently, sortof like militia AUR items.
This would be slightly different- someone with a huge pile of AUR would be able to buy way more things than someone with a huge pile of ISK- however, items bought with AUR won't have a direct stat advantage. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.08 05:16:00 -
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There are 2 weapons - only 2 - in the game so far that are pay-to-win in any realistic sense.
Codewish AR and Broadside HMG.
ALL other weapons have CPU/PG requirements which match the gun's STATS, not its skilly prerequisites. |
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Kaizer Ishimoura
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.12.08 05:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:There are 2 weapons - only 2 - in the game so far that are pay-to-win in any realistic sense.
Codewish AR and Broadside HMG.
ALL other weapons have CPU/PG requirements which match the gun's STATS, not its skilly prerequisites.
and the duvollie whatever it it is tactical. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.08 06:04:00 -
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Kaizer Ishimoura wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:There are 2 weapons - only 2 - in the game so far that are pay-to-win in any realistic sense.
Codewish AR and Broadside HMG.
ALL other weapons have CPU/PG requirements which match the gun's STATS, not its skilly prerequisites. and the duvollie whatever it it is tactical.
That would be the Codewish. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
320
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Posted - 2012.12.08 07:20:00 -
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No need for AUR stuff, just the boosters. Thats all I'd spend my money on. |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:16:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:Already planned. We just have to wait for them to finish teh market and market integration. CCP's stated intent is that the market will work like follows. Player A. has cash, but no ISK. Player B has ISK but no cash. Player A buys Aurum and with aurum buys equipment he then sells to player B for ISK at prices set by the players themselves.
That's the "PLEX" model that CCP had in Eve before they introduced Aurum.
The whole point of Aurum is that you can only get it with real money, and there are things you can only buy with Aurum.
Apart from boosters, Aurum items are intended to have two things that set them aside from the ISK equivalents...
1. they look different (bettter?) - vanity items
2. they require less investment in training
I believe the idea is you should need to invest in order to get the best gear, but that investment can either be in time (to grind SP and ISK) or money (to get AUR items). |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:07:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:
The whole point of Aurum is that you can only get it with real money, and there are things you can only buy with Aurum.
incorrect. CCP have been clear, all AUR items will be able to be sold for ISK. |
Talnos Nosslu
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:43:00 -
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Then it needs to be implemented now, because nothing can be sold as of yet. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:45:00 -
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Talnos Nosslu wrote:Then it needs to be implemented now, because nothing can be sold as of yet.
it would destroy the economy.
salvage would be worth as much as level 1 weapons because there would be tons of it flooding the market. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1594
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:47:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Corvus Ravensong wrote:Already planned. We just have to wait for them to finish teh market and market integration. CCP's stated intent is that the market will work like follows. Player A. has cash, but no ISK. Player B has ISK but no cash. Player A buys Aurum and with aurum buys equipment he then sells to player B for ISK at prices set by the players themselves. That's the "PLEX" model that CCP had in Eve before they introduced Aurum. The whole point of Aurum is that you can only get it with real money, and there are things you can only buy with Aurum. Apart from boosters, Aurum items are intended to have two things that set them aside from the ISK equivalents... 1. they look different (bettter?) - vanity items 2. they require less investment in training I believe the idea is you should need to invest in order to get the best gear, but that investment can either be in time (to grind SP and ISK) or money (to get AUR items).
When was the last time you looked at the Eve market?
Aurum items are bought from the Noble Exchange (NeX) store with just aurum after converting plex to aurum. Those same aurum items such as the esquire coat is then sold on the open Eve market for ISK at a price that changes based on market tends, supply and demand.
DUST will only be different in the sense that aurum is only acquired from the PSN. But the items purchased with aurum will be sold by players to other players who have boat loads of ISK. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:27:00 -
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Talnos Nosslu wrote:Then it needs to be implemented now, because nothing can be sold as of yet.
Why ? ... It's not like your AUR items are costing you any real money yet !
Let me clarify ... your AUR will be refunded at release, so what you're spending now hasn't cost you anything. |
Talnos Nosslu
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:40:00 -
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Let me clarify. Regardless of what CCP has planned, these items still cost money which are not as of yet fully exchangeable. Regardless of what will happen in the future, beta players that cannot afford items that cost AUR will STILL be a disadvantage to those that can.
As of RIGHT now, AUR Gëá ISK. And that needs to be fixed. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:49:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:There are 2 weapons - only 2 - in the game so far that are pay-to-win in any realistic sense.
Codewish AR and Broadside HMG.
ALL other weapons have CPU/PG requirements which match the gun's STATS, not its skilly prerequisites.
Except for the meta level of all AUR items. Those are lower than they should be (meta level determines how much money the people who manage to kill you can earn) |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1594
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Posted - 2012.12.11 00:56:00 -
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Talnos Nosslu wrote:Let me clarify. Regardless of what CCP has planned, these items still cost money which are not as of yet fully exchangeable. Regardless of what will happen in the future, beta players that cannot afford items that cost AUR will STILL be a disadvantage to those that can.
As of RIGHT now, AUR Gëá ISK. And that needs to be fixed.
But it will be fixed. Just probably not until release after the final SP wipe which will include one last reimbursement of the aurum we have spent. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.12.12 05:22:00 -
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Talnos Nosslu wrote:Let me clarify. Regardless of what CCP has planned, these items still cost money which are not as of yet fully exchangeable. Regardless of what will happen in the future, beta players that cannot afford items that cost AUR will STILL be a disadvantage to those that can.
As of RIGHT now, AUR Gëá ISK. And that needs to be fixed.
It's a beta man, we're just testing stuff. Why would they completely change the way the system works just to change it back later? That's a complete waste of man-power when they can be spending that time doing stuff that actually matters.
Nothing we are doing right now has any impact whatsoever on anything, our characters will be wiped, everything will be reset, and we're only testing a small fraction of the game content. |
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