Well today i again played against WTF on the 5 point skirmish map and one off their guys called in 3 sagaris railgun tanks. Now my CEO and i myself where fed up that he was sitting in his redline trying to snipe our sagaris (sir meode). So we two grabbed assault forgeguns, a free starter fit LAV and went stright after him. The result is that we needed only around 8-10 secs to beat down a sagaris that had full health. We did this 2 times and the 3rd time he went out to charge our sagaris 1vs1 stright on and he lost. The result in that is he lost around 6 million ISK in a single match. Sure it felt great to blow him up 2 times in a row but i know why we where aible to do it. The answer is when you have anything else except a large blaster your tank is totally defenseless against infantry mainly because there are no viable small turrets against infantry. And thats aswell the reason why i allmost ditched 100% off my vehicles. Simply cause they cant take on infantry. Oh and to top it even more we used cheap heavy fits with the skinweave heavy and a assault forgegun, sure it was a suicide mission but you will take out any tank with 2 forgegunners are shoting from point blank range. And it doesnt matter if the redline timer is just 20 secs cause thats by far enough to get all 4 rounds going towards your target. This stacks with the number off people who are willing to go for that task.
1 forgegunner=4 shots
2 forgegunner=8 shots
3 forgegunner=12 shots

And lol at the people who say you need maxed out AV fits to destroy a high end tank. Its the other way around you need a high end tank to barely survive and take on infantry who are using militia/standard gear. Not to mention proto Av weapons wielded by infantry. Dont know about the rest off the community but i think its a bit unbalanced. All you need is 2 people, lvl 2 forgeguns and the balls to pull something like this off.

Second that opinion, two small blasters supporting the railgun should have been sufficient enough to halt the onslaught. Your strike was just well coordinated. Tip of the hat to your team sir, but small turrets are adequate.

Isn't it that the point That a HAV takes on a role and not be a jack of all trades?

When/if we run tanks in pubs it either supports infantry or is supported by infantry.

Well today i again played against WTF on the 5 point skirmish map and one off their guys called in 3 sagaris railgun tanks. Now my CEO and i myself where fed up that he was sitting in his redline trying to snipe our sagaris (sir meode). So we two grabbed assault forgeguns, a free starter fit LAV and went stright after him. The result is that we needed only around 8-10 secs to beat down a sagaris that had full health. We did this 2 times and the 3rd time he went out to charge our sagaris 1vs1 stright on and he lost. The result in that is he lost around 6 million ISK in a single match. Sure it felt great to blow him up 2 times in a row but i know why we where aible to do it. The answer is when you have anything else except a large blaster your tank is totally defenseless against infantry mainly because there are no viable small turrets against infantry. And thats aswell the reason why i allmost ditched 100% off my vehicles. Simply cause they cant take on infantry. Oh and to top it even more we used cheap heavy fits with the skinweave heavy and a assault forgegun, sure it was a suicide mission but you will take out any tank with 2 forgegunners are shoting from point blank range. And it doesnt matter if the redline timer is just 20 secs cause thats by far enough to get all 4 rounds going towards your target. This stacks with the number off people who are willing to go for that task.
1 forgegunner=4 shots
2 forgegunner=8 shots
3 forgegunner=12 shots

And lol at the people who say you need maxed out AV fits to destroy a high end tank. Its the other way around you need a high end tank to barely survive and take on infantry who are using militia/standard gear. Not to mention proto Av weapons wielded by infantry. Dont know about the rest off the community but i think its a bit unbalanced. All you need is 2 people, lvl 2 forgeguns and the balls to pull something like this off.

Can you remind Aldin of that? - I nearly spawned into a 1 on 1 ambush match against him, until I spotted he was driving around in a tank.

I'm not a masochist....

Well today i again played against WTF on the 5 point skirmish map and one off their guys called in 3 sagaris railgun tanks. Now my CEO and i myself where fed up that he was sitting in his redline trying to snipe our sagaris (sir meode). So we two grabbed assault forgeguns, a free starter fit LAV and went stright after him. The result is that we needed only around 8-10 secs to beat down a sagaris that had full health. We did this 2 times and the 3rd time he went out to charge our sagaris 1vs1 stright on and he lost. The result in that is he lost around 6 million ISK in a single match. Sure it felt great to blow him up 2 times in a row but i know why we where aible to do it. The answer is when you have anything else except a large blaster your tank is totally defenseless against infantry mainly because there are no viable small turrets against infantry. And thats aswell the reason why i allmost ditched 100% off my vehicles. Simply cause they cant take on infantry. Oh and to top it even more we used cheap heavy fits with the skinweave heavy and a assault forgegun, sure it was a suicide mission but you will take out any tank with 2 forgegunners are shoting from point blank range. And it doesnt matter if the redline timer is just 20 secs cause thats by far enough to get all 4 rounds going towards your target. This stacks with the number off people who are willing to go for that task.
1 forgegunner=4 shots
2 forgegunner=8 shots
3 forgegunner=12 shots

And lol at the people who say you need maxed out AV fits to destroy a high end tank. Its the other way around you need a high end tank to barely survive and take on infantry who are using militia/standard gear. Not to mention proto Av weapons wielded by infantry. Dont know about the rest off the community but i think its a bit unbalanced. All you need is 2 people, lvl 2 forgeguns and the balls to pull something like this off.

Yes but you know whats really terrible? Missle turrets, thank god.

Well today i again played against WTF on the 5 point skirmish map and one off their guys called in 3 sagaris railgun tanks. Now my CEO and i myself where fed up that he was sitting in his redline trying to snipe our sagaris (sir meode). So we two grabbed assault forgeguns, a free starter fit LAV and went stright after him. The result is that we needed only around 8-10 secs to beat down a sagaris that had full health. We did this 2 times and the 3rd time he went out to charge our sagaris 1vs1 stright on and he lost. The result in that is he lost around 6 million ISK in a single match. Sure it felt great to blow him up 2 times in a row but i know why we where aible to do it. The answer is when you have anything else except a large blaster your tank is totally defenseless against infantry mainly because there are no viable small turrets against infantry. And thats aswell the reason why i allmost ditched 100% off my vehicles. Simply cause they cant take on infantry. Oh and to top it even more we used cheap heavy fits with the skinweave heavy and a assault forgegun, sure it was a suicide mission but you will take out any tank with 2 forgegunners are shoting from point blank range. And it doesnt matter if the redline timer is just 20 secs cause thats by far enough to get all 4 rounds going towards your target. This stacks with the number off people who are willing to go for that task.
1 forgegunner=4 shots
2 forgegunner=8 shots
3 forgegunner=12 shots

And lol at the people who say you need maxed out AV fits to destroy a high end tank. Its the other way around you need a high end tank to barely survive and take on infantry who are using militia/standard gear. Not to mention proto Av weapons wielded by infantry. Dont know about the rest off the community but i think its a bit unbalanced. All you need is 2 people, lvl 2 forgeguns and the balls to pull something like this off.

Agreed. Missiles were way OP before fix. Now, there's not much solution left for HAVers.

But the solution is not to simply boost weapons. HAVs should be able to sustain a large amount of pain for a short period of time. So, res modules need buff. Even if that comes with higher CPU\PG.

And small turrets do need some love. Not by a large amount though :
- Small Blasters need to be more accurate (they feel off) and deal some more damage.
- Missiles in general need to get their dispersion reduced, i think there should be a slight dispersion but not so much. Large especially. Also, maybe a return to former blast radius now that splash damage are way way reduced.
- Railguns. Well i think large work as intended against vehicles and shouldnt be an anti-infantry gun. So they seem good. Small railgun should imo be the less used turrets of all. And i have no suggestion for them.

Also, thanks for the intel. Now i'm gonna trash that little HAVer of mine for wasting 6 millions SP

This biggest problem is that forge guns can snipe from across the map too.

Don't believe me? Well, next time all the turrets on your team's side of the map in a skirmish vanish extremely quickly without a forge gunner in range, it must have been a leprechaun.

Well today i again played against WTF on the 5 point skirmish map and one off their guys called in 3 sagaris railgun tanks. Now my CEO and i myself where fed up that he was sitting in his redline trying to snipe our sagaris (sir meode). So we two grabbed assault forgeguns, a free starter fit LAV and went stright after him. The result is that we needed only around 8-10 secs to beat down a sagaris that had full health. We did this 2 times and the 3rd time he went out to charge our sagaris 1vs1 stright on and he lost. The result in that is he lost around 6 million ISK in a single match. Sure it felt great to blow him up 2 times in a row but i know why we where aible to do it. The answer is when you have anything else except a large blaster your tank is totally defenseless against infantry mainly because there are no viable small turrets against infantry. And thats aswell the reason why i allmost ditched 100% off my vehicles. Simply cause they cant take on infantry. Oh and to top it even more we used cheap heavy fits with the skinweave heavy and a assault forgegun, sure it was a suicide mission but you will take out any tank with 2 forgegunners are shoting from point blank range. And it doesnt matter if the redline timer is just 20 secs cause thats by far enough to get all 4 rounds going towards your target. This stacks with the number off people who are willing to go for that task.
1 forgegunner=4 shots
2 forgegunner=8 shots
3 forgegunner=12 shots

And lol at the people who say you need maxed out AV fits to destroy a high end tank. Its the other way around you need a high end tank to barely survive and take on infantry who are using militia/standard gear. Not to mention proto Av weapons wielded by infantry. Dont know about the rest off the community but i think its a bit unbalanced. All you need is 2 people, lvl 2 forgeguns and the balls to pull something like this off.

sighs.. if CCP just cuts the prices like they did on ISK fest... people would be happy... more people played during that time than I see daily...

you earned alot of money and it made people happy... sure you still earn alot of money today.. I still earn atleast 110k per match.. not complaning but

when you get into the million dollar tanks and they go down as fast as an LAV and they have no gun except the RAILGUN as the only ranged weapon...

getting sniped across the map by a forge gun...

its redic... the assault forge gun shoots faster than any railgun


IM SORRY I FORGOT WERE NOT CARING ABOUT VEHICLES HERE GOD FORBID THEY ARE PART OF THE GAME.

If Vehicles are gonna be horrible... than just get rid of them.. no one needs to spend that much money for something that offers little protection.. trust me ive seen it happen before.. there paper... their junk.. 999k ISK? sure I see why their so expensive now, waste of time.

This biggest problem is that forge guns can snipe from across the map too.

Don't believe me? Well, next time all the turrets on your team's side of the map in a skirmish vanish extremely quickly without a forge gunner in range, it must have been a leprechaun.

More likely a railgun in my experience. But I think forge guns do have a bit too much range.

I disagree with the damage boost for small blasters, i think they need a range buff.

There were no railguns on the other team that whole battle, aside from a default turret.

There was, however, someone with a breach forge gun.

Small Missile Turrets work just fine against infantry.

Small Blasters aren't bad either.

My alt's LOLTank with Missile Turrets all around typically has me jumping into the gunner seats (with Militia Small Missile Turrets) to gun down infantry if they're not taking hits from the big guns.