Thanks for the fill in, Jaiden. Most of my statistics are my own that I've seen on the battlefield, look forward to seeing you guys grow. And had no idea about your relation with PFB, very interesting ^_^

And Free beers - I like you too, man, but I'm not someone you'll easily over-look on the battlefield. Though lately I've been enjoying LAV crushing and kamakazing into every tank I see. I WILL JUMP ON YOU, FEAR ME. In other words, yes, I am as good or better then your average imperfect. Enjoy running your superior proto assault suits, price reduction on proto heavy will help a lot of people dedicated to heavies like I am shine.

And I really should of added you to that trio of beasts Free Beers. You seem to be above average no matter what gun you hold in your hand, which takes a lot more skills to be versatile then it is to be pro with one weapon.

I'm pretty much the worst player in imperfects. I was only allowed in because of my charming personality and my ability to write humorous corp guildlines.

Third post in a row - ew, but I hate clutter in posts.

My opinions are in no way a reflection of my corporation. I have nothing but absolute respect for every corp mentioned in this thread and every single one of there members ability to play. I tried to keep positive in my opinionated post and give both positive and negative feed-back, but in doing so I realized most my feed-back was positive. It's a reflection of how well organized DUST already is by it's loyal player base.

Regardless of skill, whose better then who, who can do more then who, or who can do things faster, it's been enjoyable posting on these forums, playing games, and discussing and tweaking this game with you all.

May the good times role, and every corp mentioned here find success in there own way.

Did I just hear you say your as good as our average player. :/

SoTa I am our average ground pounder yet I hold a close to a 4.0 k/d Ground pounding. In Type 2 suit and Advanced assault riffles. Not a single support skill for my assault riffles(range/Weapon damage/reload speed. etc.). No proto gear in my build. It is mostly militia with some advanced shield extenders. Yet I know I wipe the floor with you. My specialty is vehicles. AKA I am one of our main dropship pilot and I run a very solid sagaris also.

Do not tell me you are as good as our average player. Yes zion has a few people that have good gun game but do not compare yourself to them because you never impressed me.

There is also a reason why some of us rank synergy and PFB above both zion and SI we played them in the corp battles. PFB made up most of ROFLs players for the corp battles. And synergy where they where lacking in the corp battles they have changed and now support some very nice tanks. Which I personlly think puts them above SI now because synergy also has players with amazing ground game.

ROFL gave us one of the funnest challenges in the tourny.

I like you sota but imperfects are more then 3 people and no your not as good as our 'avg' imperfect. So other players we have that you didn't list include Axl, Cyn, Ima_leet, Telc, ludwig, Alm1gty, bendtner, Gslick, Venery, thereaper, wicked, protoman, enigma, alldin, skytt, beserk. There are more i could list like Adski who runs a 6+ kdr on NA servers as a UK player. Not to mention we have the best HMG/forges in the game. Ever get sniped by sleepy or swufy? Our vehicles are scrubs but i WOULDN'T trade (except Noc he is scruber) them for another corps. We have lots of players that spec'd into different things for the tournament in case we needed it. I have almost 2 mill of my 6 mill sp into logi bro not to mention hacking/scanner/etc. Judging us by public play is a mistake because is just sp/isk farming for us. If you think corp battles are going to get any eaiser when it gets to 16/24/32 per side you are sadly mistaken.

PS I wasn't listing our entire corp here and what they spec'd into for the tournament but there are a lot of player the choose suits/weapons based upon the possiblity of need not what they are already good at.

To add to the discussion I would put PFB and SyN at 2 also because having played them in tourny we know first hand individual skills and tatics. They are both complete teams.

SI Is a good corp but they were dependent a lot of vehicles and lacked a bit of gun game. Something they are woking on now to their credit. On US servers SI would be equal to PFB and SyN.

STB have some individual skilled players but again us in corp battle they used the same pub-stomp-tank-spam they do in pubs. I have played with and against STB players and their skill should translate better to corp battles and it hasn't.

Tritan has a good based but heavies and some vehicles aren't all you need. I expect them improve.

I think the WTF guys have the best gun game in EU but lack in other parts.

Zion TCD I dont know what to think. I know there are some top players there and i have played with them but there is a big fall off once you get past that. Yes they lack vehicles too. The continue to do corp battles which is only way a corp can improve.

I could probably go on and on but am tired of typing it out. I do think there are some really go small 10 man groups in dust right now I hope ccp doesn't try to MAG out dust and make as big as battles as possible. if we do 16/24 I would be happy that way smaller corps can exist. Realistically if you have to fill a 32 man team you will need 100 poeple in your corp to be active daily.


If corps don't do corp battles then they shouldn't be rated at all. Pub stomp corps are worthless in dust in the long term

i agree with beers sota IMP has more than just three faces, and for you to assume that is ill thought my good sir,
if three people won that tourney by themselves then i quit straight up...
dont assume that cause you see a core group of players from a clan that there arent any hidden gems or diffferent timezone things going on.

So you'll judge a corp based on the ground game(or lack thereof) of their tank drivers? okay

So you'll judge a corp based on the ground game(or lack thereof) of their tank drivers? okay

No I'm saying players like that can bring a corp down, and that if there are players like that in Betamax, the corp wouldn't be rated somewhere in the top 5. Like I said they have some great players like Jenza, but if you have players like that, it would affect the overall ranking of the corp.

Also, I'm not sure if you know what your talking about. Heaps of people have been judging corps based on tanks. I've seen people in many threads saying that SI, STB and other corps aren't that good, because they run in tanks. Hell I've even seen a thread telling ROFL House that they suck.

I'm not saying Betamax sucks, I'm saying if this is an overall assessment of a corp, then having people like that in a corp would have to bring down their ranking.

Edit: I drive a gunnlogi and a madrugar and someday I'll get around to a sagaris (I waste my sp) so I'm not saying tanks are for scrubs.

I can see what you're saying, but I still think thinking less of a corp because their tank driver got in a tank is a bit unfair. I'm just assuming he was a dedicated tank driver, though. There's that stigma towards calling in vehicles in pub matches and all, and I get mad at it too, but I mean they trained into that after all lol.

I've also seen the posts judging corps based on their tanks. I don't agree with those just as much :D For the most part they've just been uninformed opinions, as you can see from everyone's different reasons for their rankings.

I'm sorry, I guess it's just the nature of this thread.. it's just a lose-lose kind of thing. These "overall rankings" are laughable at best, Imperfects are the only ones who have proven anything.

I can see what you're saying, but I still think thinking less of a corp because their tank driver got in a tank is a bit unfair. I'm just assuming he was a dedicated tank driver, though. There's that stigma towards calling in vehicles in pub matches and all, and I get mad at it too, but I mean they trained into that after all lol.

I've also seen the posts judging corps based on their tanks. I don't agree with those just as much :D For the most part they've just been uninformed opinions, as you can see from everyone's different reasons for their rankings.

I'm sorry, I guess it's just the nature of this thread.. it's just a lose-lose kind of thing. These "overall rankings" are laughable at best, Imperfects are the only ones who have proven anything.

Mother of gawd. Corp lovin goin on. Start hating damnit.